Zach Edey, 7-4

[GoBobs]

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Yeah monster, he just needs Larry Brown to get back into coaching and give him 20 post touches vs 6-8 and 6-9 guys. Even his pnr baskets look like they are in slow motion.

He will be one of the slowest players in the league for sure. That doesn't matter really though. There are plenty of slow guys in the league that do just fine.

There is nobody in the league that is going to be able to guard him 1v1. He is going to be one of the heaviest players in the league on day one as he is already listed at 300 pounds. If you look at pictures of him most of that weight is in his tree trunk legs which gives him a lower center of gravity and the perfect foundation to bang inside.

It is also just really, really hard to guard somebody that is 7'4''. If you have a 7'4'' guy shooting a jump hook that shot is impossible to block.

Also the college game is actually more difficult in some ways for a big like Edey. Look at how crowded the paint is in those videos. Edey is going to go from playing in a crowd to playing in space. It is going to be harder for teams to double and recover because the distance back to the shooter behind the 3pt line is an extra step now.

Also consider that maybe they don't run that many pick and rolls for him in college because other teams can just go under the screen and live with the 3pt shot off the dribble rather than dealing with Edey inside. The league is full of guys that you can't go under the screen on.

[DOT]

I know it's not really relevant here, but the Cam Reddish discourse got me thinking about how there's a small but dedicated fandom on the Knicks board who are still viscerally upset that we traded Reddish away and think he's a future all star, and that he's clearly better than RJ Barrett who we held onto for another year

Like, yeah RJ is underwhelming (to put it politely) as a 3rd overall pick, but there's no contest between him and Cam.

[SeattleJazzFan]

I know it's not really relevant here, but the Cam Reddish discourse got me thinking about how there's a small but dedicated fandom on the Knicks board who are still viscerally upset that we traded Reddish away and think he's a future all star, and that he's clearly better than RJ Barrett who we held onto for another year

Like, yeah RJ is underwhelming (to put it politely) as a 3rd overall pick, but there's no contest between him and Cam.

yeah, that is very weird.

[BigGargamel]

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Yeah monster, he just needs Larry Brown to get back into coaching and give him 20 post touches vs 6-8 and 6-9 guys. Even his pnr baskets look like they are in slow motion.

He will be one of the slowest players in the league for sure. That doesn't matter really though. There are plenty of slow guys in the league that do just fine.

There is nobody in the league that is going to be able to guard him 1v1. He is going to be one of the heaviest players in the league on day one as he is already listed at 300 pounds. If you look at pictures of him most of that weight is in his tree trunk legs which gives him a lower center of gravity and the perfect foundation to bang inside.

It is also just really, really hard to guard somebody that is 7'4''. If you have a 7'4'' guy shooting a jump hook that shot is impossible to block.

Also the college game is actually more difficult in some ways for a big like Edey. Look at how crowded the paint is in those videos. Edey is going to go from playing in a crowd to playing in space. It is going to be harder for teams to double and recover because the distance back to the shooter behind the 3pt line is an extra step now.

Also consider that maybe they don't run that many pick and rolls for him in college because other teams can just go under the screen and live with the 3pt shot off the dribble rather than dealing with Edey inside. The league is full of guys that you can't go under the screen on.

Edey is Boban Marjanovic. Marjanovic was never able to get big time run because he was just too poor of an athlete and would get eaten up alive defensively. When he did come in he put up huge per-36 stats though. I expect the same from Edey. I hope I'm wrong because he's a lot of fun to watch but I just don't see him being valuable in big stretches.

You can't be a big slow oaf in the post these days, because guys are going to collapse and pick your pocket instantly. You are seriously underrating how great NBA guys are athletically and how non-athletes struggle. There are no more Todd MaCculloch's in the NBA anymore.

[ItsDanger]

If a defense collapses, it can create open shots. Its the inverse of the criticism on potential defensive issues. It's a peculiar interpretation of analytics by non analytically inclined people. In the end, efficient offense is needed more today than ever. Yet teams throw out lineups with inefficient scorers.

[GoBobs]

Edey is Boban Marjanovic. Marjanovic was never able to get big time run because he was just too poor of an athlete and would get eaten up alive defensively. When he did come in he put up huge per-36 stats though. I expect the same from Edey. I hope I'm wrong because he's a lot of fun to watch but I just don't see him being valuable in big stretches.

You can't be a big slow oaf in the post these days, because guys are going to collapse and pick your pocket instantly. You are seriously underrating how great NBA guys are athletically and how non-athletes struggle. There are no more Todd MaCculloch's in the NBA anymore.

The thing with Boban though is his size is likely related to a medical condition. A lot of times that affects your athletic ability because things grow at different rates. Also he got tired after playing limited minutes and that is part of why they would take him out.

With Edey he has already been through athletic testing at the combine and tested out pretty well. His numbers were pretty much better across the board when compared to for example Jaylin Williams of the OKC Thunder.

Williams: 11.64 lane agility, 3.50 three quarter court sprint, 24.5 standing vert, 30 max vert

Edey: 11.37 lane agility, 3.45 three quarter court sprint, 26 standing vert, 29.5 max vert

Gobert: 12.85 lane agility, 3.57 sprint, 25 standing, 29 max vert

Brook Lopez: 12.77 lane agility, 3.57 sprint, 27.5 standing, 30.5 max vert

Deandre Jordan: 12.30 lane agility, 3.27 sprint, 26 standing, 30.5 max vert

Taj Gibson: 11.56 lane agility, 3.41 sprint, 25.5 standing, 30 max vert

Plus Edey has already proven that he can play extended minutes and put up huge numbers in those minutes.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Gobert had like the worst combine of all time relative to his actual athleticism. Gobert had pretty much the worst combine in NBA history and is an elite athlete, it was really weird.

Not sure you should use Gobert's combine results when they're just a really confusing outlier.

[GoBobs]

Gobert had like the worst combine of all time relative to his actual athleticism. Gobert had pretty much the worst combine in NBA history and is an elite athlete, it was really weird.

Not sure you should use Gobert's combine results when they're just a really confusing outlier.

I added some more guys to my post. Point is, Edey isn't some all time stiff. You can find a bunch of guys with long NBA careers, that he did better than in the athletic testing portion of the combine.

And you have to put Edey's numbers in perspective with the fact he is 300 lbs with one of the best standing reaches in NBA history.

[NO-KG-AI]

I was wrong on Reddish and addressed it on the previous page. I don't recall saying saying anything about the Hawks on this sub on Reddish and if I did and forget, I forgot. It's easy to forget when you miss on anything just like it's easy to remember all your hits because you were right and it worked in your favor. That's common sense. We all do that.

The idea of Cam Reddish is an amazing player. A force. A supreme talent. You don't have many NBA players like Anthony Edwards, Naz Reid, Zion, and many others prasing him for no reason.

The problem is the reality of Cam Reddish is a bad player.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/cam-reddish

He was in college and he was in the NBA and as the Hawk organization said many times over, we can't want it for you more than you want it for yourself. I can't want it for Cam Reddish more than he wants it for himself.

At this time, I still didn't know Trae game fully yet as I do now. I would have never said that now knowing Trae but back then, I just didn't have the insight of his game to that level of detail. He was still really young and still growing, I thought becoming a floor general would happen with time. So on every front, I was wrong on that statement i said to Clyde. On Cam, Cam being a great fit with Trae, etc. Now that I know Trae, even Cam the idea of him as a stud wasn't a good fit but at that time I didn't know. Now I know what works around Trae. I have many years of evidence and I know what fits around him. I didn't going into his 2nd year. None of us really did. He was too young.

I ain't editing ****, I stand on ten toes religiously, if I said it. I stand on it. I was wrong on Cam and said as much a page ago and often in general. Brought into his talent and blamed Duke for his struggles and our lack of spacing. Cam was a part of the reason we had poor spacing but I didn't feel that way at the time. I own that error in judgement.

Cam talent is special. People still see it. LeBron saw it. Many of his peers see it. But there is so much to the game. Cam had the most weaknesses I've ever seen from a player that I've evaluated in the NBA. Said as much on the board. More than even Josh Smith. If I judged Cam the way I should have, I still would have liked him and wanted to see if it worked since I didn't have access to his personality assessments but I would have went into a lot more detail than just his talents along. I believe you need to cover all ascepts of a player to get a proper assessment and I didn't do that with Cam. I didn't do that with Cameron Johnson either and he was an excellent player. I should have evaluated him like I did Brandon Clarke.

But you live and you learn. You realize where you had faults. Mo Bamba, Bagley, and Ayton was a learning experience for me. If you can't learn from your mistakes and even wins like Jalen Williams, the you are bound to continue the same mistake over and over again.

You must have lost your damn mind asking for an apology to your rude and ignorant ass. I'll rather die. Maybe if you were respectful and kind, I would gladly. It's nothing for me to apologize to anyone but never for you.

Cam is a no talent scrub, and always has been, there has never been a single generational trait about him, but that’s never been the issue I had with your analysis of Cam, or now Edey. I don’t see anything egregious or that bad about any of your particular analysis of any players in particular… but


You danced around the topic and circled all the way back around and didn’t touch the main issue: You claim these guys will basically end up busts unless they are on the Hawks, in which case they will not only make it, but they will be MVP or in your words, generational.

I’m not sure if it’s hedging(IE, he was a scrub, but would have been a GOAT in Atl!) or if it’s extreme homerism.

It would feel weird even if it were someone like the Spurs or Heat who have a history of drawing talent out of people, but the Hawks? Lmao. They do nothing special in terms of unlocking guys offensively or player development.

It’s just strange and baffling analysis, but I’m fascinated. We’ve seen no instances of guys going from scrub to generational just based on the team… but you think that mold breaker is the Hawks?

That's your personal opinion. He could be a scrub but his talent is legit. With all his flaws, no way he would have made it to the NBA if he wasn't extremely talented.

I've been as direct as possible.

I've said it could be Luka, Trae, or Harden. Any of those three players who are extremely heliocentric. Who get overproduction from centers that fit the off-ball prototype big man. Capela has easily overproduced his player type. Lively II is averaging more in the NBA than in college per game and per36 because he's playing with Luka. Zubac is averaging career highs playing with Harden. So yes, playing with one of the Harden's or even female Harden (C. Clark, Iowa), will greatly benefit Edey. Especially Trae who uses the center as an extension of himself. Does that help? It's simple, basic af, and even consumable for someone like yourself.

Cool story bro!

Another great sentence

It's not difficult to understand with Edey. It really isn't. If you really watch his game, he's a monster off the ball. That's where he does most of his damage. He's not this skillful strong post-player like B. Reeves or J. Okafor or insanely dominant post-player like Shaq as a college prospect. He's a movement big who uses his relentless motor, mental acuity, top-notch body control, and athleticism for his size to reign on college basketball. The problem is people watch the final stage and see his post-ups are like, he's just big, Boban can do that, etc, etc. But Boban doesn't do any of the other **** to get to that point. Forget that he's a terrific screener and his rolls are exceptional but with his BBIQ, he's a patience roller. His productivity isn't high just cause he's big. He's not even skilled for a low post-big-man NBA prospect.

I don't think he's a mold breaker but he's in his own prototype lane like Brandon Clarke was and Cameron Johnson. When guys are this productive, it's not for no reason.

I don’t hate your analysis on Edey at all, I think my point is that I, and most, disagree with the degree of variance that is there for his game based on the team he goes to.

I don’t think there is a player or scheme in NBA history that takes him from dud to MVP level.

I think he actually succeeds and carves out an NBA career. I think certain lineups could extract even more or less from him, but I don’t think the ceiling is nearly as high.

I’d love to be wrong and see a giant flourish though.

[King Ken]

Cam is a no talent scrub, and always has been, there has never been a single generational trait about him, but that’s never been the issue I had with your analysis of Cam, or now Edey. I don’t see anything egregious or that bad about any of your particular analysis of any players in particular… but


You danced around the topic and circled all the way back around and didn’t touch the main issue: You claim these guys will basically end up busts unless they are on the Hawks, in which case they will not only make it, but they will be MVP or in your words, generational.

I’m not sure if it’s hedging(IE, he was a scrub, but would have been a GOAT in Atl!) or if it’s extreme homerism.

It would feel weird even if it were someone like the Spurs or Heat who have a history of drawing talent out of people, but the Hawks? Lmao. They do nothing special in terms of unlocking guys offensively or player development.

It’s just strange and baffling analysis, but I’m fascinated. We’ve seen no instances of guys going from scrub to generational just based on the team… but you think that mold breaker is the Hawks?

That's your personal opinion. He could be a scrub but his talent is legit. With all his flaws, no way he would have made it to the NBA if he wasn't extremely talented.

I've been as direct as possible.

I've said it could be Luka, Trae, or Harden. Any of those three players who are extremely heliocentric. Who get overproduction from centers that fit the off-ball prototype big man. Capela has easily overproduced his player type. Lively II is averaging more in the NBA than in college per game and per36 because he's playing with Luka. Zubac is averaging career highs playing with Harden. So yes, playing with one of the Harden's or even female Harden (C. Clark, Iowa), will greatly benefit Edey. Especially Trae who uses the center as an extension of himself. Does that help? It's simple, basic af, and even consumable for someone like yourself.

Cool story bro!

Another great sentence

It's not difficult to understand with Edey. It really isn't. If you really watch his game, he's a monster off the ball. That's where he does most of his damage. He's not this skillful strong post-player like B. Reeves or J. Okafor or insanely dominant post-player like Shaq as a college prospect. He's a movement big who uses his relentless motor, mental acuity, top-notch body control, and athleticism for his size to reign on college basketball. The problem is people watch the final stage and see his post-ups are like, he's just big, Boban can do that, etc, etc. But Boban doesn't do any of the other **** to get to that point. Forget that he's a terrific screener and his rolls are exceptional but with his BBIQ, he's a patience roller. His productivity isn't high just cause he's big. He's not even skilled for a low post-big-man NBA prospect.

I don't think he's a mold breaker but he's in his own prototype lane like Brandon Clarke was and Cameron Johnson. When guys are this productive, it's not for no reason.

I don’t hate your analysis on Edey at all, I think my point is that I, and most, disagree with the degree of variance that is there for his game based on the team he goes to.

I don’t think there is a player or scheme in NBA history that takes him from dud to MVP level.

I think he actually succeeds and carves out an NBA career. I think certain lineups could extract even more or less from him, but I don’t think the ceiling is nearly as high.

I’d love to be wrong and see a giant flourish though.

I do appreciate it. I've watched a lot of tape but I watched most after most of my posts in this thread outside of recently of course.

I don't believe he's a dud anywhere at this point. In fact, this is my recent review of what he is as a prospect:

Current: An elite garbageman with freakish athleticism for his size, possessing superior mental attributes and exceptional physical measurements. However, his fluidity limits his offensive potential when he has ball possession. He has superior movement skills and can execute high-level rolls. Elite Screener. His post-up play is limited unless he secures significant positioning in the low post.

Future: An elite garbageman with freakish athleticism for his size, possessing superior mental attributes and exceptional physical measurements. His fluidity, however, limits his offensive potential when he has ball possession. He has superior movement skills and can execute high-level rolls. Elite Screener. His post-up play is limited unless he secures significant positioning in the low-post, with potential for catch and shoot.

Overall, this is probably a 13-15.5 PPG playing 20-22MPG as a rookie. I don't see his upside for most as he will mainly be a screener, dunkers spot finisher, and offensive rebounder who can draw fouls and give good energy at the 5. More than likely a 17-19 PPG scorer with 24 MPG. His PER should be really good and his impact stats should be high but since he needs to be protected some on defense, it will take a team truly to invest in him to really get him to that 28-32MPG spot he has in college.

This is my general take, that's far from a dud. I've watched over 20 full games, possession by possession. He's an excellent player but more of a role player. Should be drafted in the 11-20 range but could fall into the 20s. I doubt he will fall into the 2nd round but since this is a good center class in my scout, this should be it for him.

The Hawks, Clippers, and Mavs all have a Harden. Those guys are different, they really read **** extremely well, and are offensive juggernauts on the ball with their playmaking + scoring. Those guys give these off-ball big-man players a massive push production-wise. Edey is one of the best off-ball bigs we have that's entered in a while. Sadly, he is not much of an on-ball presence but he's figured out how to score using his size, mental acuity, and movement to do a lot of damage offensively. It's not many that enter to be honest. Usually, the elite movement big is as good as it gets but those are exclusively rollers like Clingan for example.

I think Edey is unique. At first, I had major doubts, it didn't really have anything to do with more than his size and his end product but I've really see what he is and while it's not for everyone. He should still be an effective player in the NBA, even if it's as a rotational piece off the bench.

[JRoy]

That's your personal opinion. He could be a scrub but his talent is legit. With all his flaws, no way he would have made it to the NBA if he wasn't extremely talented.

I've been as direct as possible.

I've said it could be Luka, Trae, or Harden. Any of those three players who are extremely heliocentric. Who get overproduction from centers that fit the off-ball prototype big man. Capela has easily overproduced his player type. Lively II is averaging more in the NBA than in college per game and per36 because he's playing with Luka. Zubac is averaging career highs playing with Harden. So yes, playing with one of the Harden's or even female Harden (C. Clark, Iowa), will greatly benefit Edey. Especially Trae who uses the center as an extension of himself. Does that help? It's simple, basic af, and even consumable for someone like yourself.

Cool story bro!

Another great sentence

It's not difficult to understand with Edey. It really isn't. If you really watch his game, he's a monster off the ball. That's where he does most of his damage. He's not this skillful strong post-player like B. Reeves or J. Okafor or insanely dominant post-player like Shaq as a college prospect. He's a movement big who uses his relentless motor, mental acuity, top-notch body control, and athleticism for his size to reign on college basketball. The problem is people watch the final stage and see his post-ups are like, he's just big, Boban can do that, etc, etc. But Boban doesn't do any of the other **** to get to that point. Forget that he's a terrific screener and his rolls are exceptional but with his BBIQ, he's a patience roller. His productivity isn't high just cause he's big. He's not even skilled for a low post-big-man NBA prospect.

I don't think he's a mold breaker but he's in his own prototype lane like Brandon Clarke was and Cameron Johnson. When guys are this productive, it's not for no reason.

I don’t hate your analysis on Edey at all, I think my point is that I, and most, disagree with the degree of variance that is there for his game based on the team he goes to.

I don’t think there is a player or scheme in NBA history that takes him from dud to MVP level.

I think he actually succeeds and carves out an NBA career. I think certain lineups could extract even more or less from him, but I don’t think the ceiling is nearly as high.

I’d love to be wrong and see a giant flourish though.

I do appreciate it. I've watched a lot of tape but I watched most after most of my posts in this thread outside of recently of course.

I don't believe he's a dud anywhere at this point. In fact, this is my recent review of what he is as a prospect:

Current: An elite garbageman with freakish athleticism for his size, possessing superior mental attributes and exceptional physical measurements. However, his fluidity limits his offensive potential when he has ball possession. He has superior movement skills and can execute high-level rolls. Elite Screener. His post-up play is limited unless he secures significant positioning in the low post.

Future: An elite garbageman with freakish athleticism for his size, possessing superior mental attributes and exceptional physical measurements. His fluidity, however, limits his offensive potential when he has ball possession. He has superior movement skills and can execute high-level rolls. Elite Screener. His post-up play is limited unless he secures significant positioning in the low-post, with potential for catch and shoot.

Overall, this is probably a 13-15.5 PPG playing 20-22MPG as a rookie. I don't see his upside for most as he will mainly be a screener, dunkers spot finisher, and offensive rebounder who can draw fouls and give good energy at the 5. More than likely a 17-19 PPG scorer with 24 MPG. His PER should be really good and his impact stats should be high but since he needs to be protected some on defense, it will take a team truly to invest in him to really get him to that 28-32MPG spot he has in college.

This is my general take, that's far from a dud. I've watched over 20 full games, possession by possession. He's an excellent player but more of a role player. Should be drafted in the 11-20 range but could fall into the 20s. I doubt he will fall into the 2nd round but since this is a good center class in my scout, this should be it for him.

The Hawks, Clippers, and Mavs all have a Harden. Those guys are different, they really read **** extremely well, and are offensive juggernauts on the ball with their playmaking + scoring. Those guys give these off-ball big-man players a massive push production-wise. Edey is one of the best off-ball bigs we have that's entered in a while. Sadly, he is not much of an on-ball presence but he's figured out how to score using his size, mental acuity, and movement to do a lot of damage offensively. It's not many that enter to be honest. Usually, the elite movement big is as good as it gets but those are exclusively rollers like Clingan for example.

I think Edey is unique. At first, I had major doubts, it didn't really have anything to do with more than his size and his end product but I've really see what he is and while it's not for everyone. He should still be an effective player in the NBA, even if it's as a rotational piece off the bench.

Appreciate the insight.

I’m an Edey believer too. I don’t expect him to be a star, but a valuable rotational player. I’d expect DAL to draft him later than he should be and enjoy a solid 10-12 year career.

I cant predict specific stats or mpg. He will play though, and produce when he does.

Would love to get him on POR, there is not one guy on the team that can set a god damn screen.

[King Ken]

I don’t hate your analysis on Edey at all, I think my point is that I, and most, disagree with the degree of variance that is there for his game based on the team he goes to.

I don’t think there is a player or scheme in NBA history that takes him from dud to MVP level.

I think he actually succeeds and carves out an NBA career. I think certain lineups could extract even more or less from him, but I don’t think the ceiling is nearly as high.

I’d love to be wrong and see a giant flourish though.

I do appreciate it. I've watched a lot of tape but I watched most after most of my posts in this thread outside of recently of course.

I don't believe he's a dud anywhere at this point. In fact, this is my recent review of what he is as a prospect:

Current: An elite garbageman with freakish athleticism for his size, possessing superior mental attributes and exceptional physical measurements. However, his fluidity limits his offensive potential when he has ball possession. He has superior movement skills and can execute high-level rolls. Elite Screener. His post-up play is limited unless he secures significant positioning in the low post.

Future: An elite garbageman with freakish athleticism for his size, possessing superior mental attributes and exceptional physical measurements. His fluidity, however, limits his offensive potential when he has ball possession. He has superior movement skills and can execute high-level rolls. Elite Screener. His post-up play is limited unless he secures significant positioning in the low-post, with potential for catch and shoot.

Overall, this is probably a 13-15.5 PPG playing 20-22MPG as a rookie. I don't see his upside for most as he will mainly be a screener, dunkers spot finisher, and offensive rebounder who can draw fouls and give good energy at the 5. More than likely a 17-19 PPG scorer with 24 MPG. His PER should be really good and his impact stats should be high but since he needs to be protected some on defense, it will take a team truly to invest in him to really get him to that 28-32MPG spot he has in college.

This is my general take, that's far from a dud. I've watched over 20 full games, possession by possession. He's an excellent player but more of a role player. Should be drafted in the 11-20 range but could fall into the 20s. I doubt he will fall into the 2nd round but since this is a good center class in my scout, this should be it for him.

The Hawks, Clippers, and Mavs all have a Harden. Those guys are different, they really read **** extremely well, and are offensive juggernauts on the ball with their playmaking + scoring. Those guys give these off-ball big-man players a massive push production-wise. Edey is one of the best off-ball bigs we have that's entered in a while. Sadly, he is not much of an on-ball presence but he's figured out how to score using his size, mental acuity, and movement to do a lot of damage offensively. It's not many that enter to be honest. Usually, the elite movement big is as good as it gets but those are exclusively rollers like Clingan for example.

I think Edey is unique. At first, I had major doubts, it didn't really have anything to do with more than his size and his end product but I've really see what he is and while it's not for everyone. He should still be an effective player in the NBA, even if it's as a rotational piece off the bench.

Appreciate the insight.

I’m an Edey believer too. I don’t expect him to be a star, but a valuable rotational player. I’d expect DAL to draft him later than he should be and enjoy a solid 10-12 year career.

I cant predict specific stats or mpg. He will play though, and produce when he does.

Would love to get him on POR, there is not one guy on the team that can set a god damn screen.

I think he would be a stud if Dallas drafts him.

He would be a good fit in the backup role in most places. Just depends on what you want from the center. At the end of the day, he's a legit player and he's polished.

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[Chi town]

He will be the Jamie Jacquez of this draft.

Whoever gets him will get immediate impact.

[FarBeyondDriven]

He will be the Jamie Jacquez of this draft.

Whoever gets him will get immediate impact.

I think it'll be immediately apparent come combine time that he is a massive liability defending the most popular play in basketball, the PnR. He'll basically be relegated to drop coverage and guys will just spam wide open threes until he overcommits and then he'll easily be driven past or bigs will slide past for easy lobs. There are too many centers that can shoot from the perimeter or put the ball on the floor and take him off the dribble as well. And because he can't spread the floor himself he'll just clog the paint for his teammates on offense.

The reason why I am so high on Yang (all alone apparently btw) is because he's got similar size but is more talented offensively, has much better footwork, has better instincts on both ends, higher BBIQ, and the offense will be able to be run through him due to his passing like you see with Jokic, Sabonis and Sengun. He'll similarly struggle defending the perimeter but no worse than other top centers. I'm not sure Edey will even get 10 mpg because teams will just attack him relentlessly and he'll be a foul magnet even if they don't score. I'm now convinced he's not even draftable with how deep this class is with role players that could actually contribute.

[King Ken]

He will be the Jamie Jacquez of this draft.

Whoever gets him will get immediate impact.

I think it'll be immediately apparent come combine time that he is a massive liability defending the most popular play in basketball, the PnR. He'll basically be relegated to drop coverage and guys will just spam wide open threes until he overcommits and then he'll easily be driven past or bigs will slide past for easy lobs. There are too many centers that can shoot from the perimeter or put the ball on the floor and take him off the dribble as well. And because he can't spread the floor himself he'll just clog the paint for his teammates on offense.

The reason why I am so high on Yang (all alone apparently btw) is because he's got similar size but is more talented offensively, has much better footwork, has better instincts on both ends, higher BBIQ, and the offense will be able to be run through him due to his passing like you see with Jokic, Sabonis and Sengun. He'll similarly struggle defending the perimeter but no worse than other top centers. I'm not sure Edey will even get 10 mpg because teams will just attack him relentlessly and he'll be a foul magnet even if they don't score. I'm now convinced he's not even draftable with how deep this class is with role players that could actually contribute.

Edey has some of the strangest takes I've ever heard and I've watched 21 full possession by possession games this season.

Edey has elite feel, BBIQ, and awareness. Saying a 18 year old is even in the same stratosphere is asinine. Edey is definitely the most underrated prospect I've seen in ages but a lot of that is due to the eye test. Some guys hate the poor fluidity, they move on, say he won't work and really don't know his game at all. It's somewhat fair as fluidity I'd vital but he's overcame that with his skill-set.

He's his own prototype and he's an excellent Basketball player. Easily the best player in this draft class and it's not even close.

Defensively, he's a lot better than you think. Offensively, he's the best off ball prospect we had as a center in the last 10 years but continue to think he's ass. He's just big. His skill-set is there.

[The-Power]

Offensively, he's the best off ball prospect we had as a center in the last 10 years

Please explain. I'm really curious how a slow-footed non-shooting big man whose style of play is characterized by deep post-ups is a good off-ball prospect (let alone the best off-ball Center prospect in the last 10 years ahead of someone like Wembanyama who is truly breaking the game as an off-ball threat).

I assume the argument is that there will be help defense shading him when he tries to establish deep post position but come on, even if you believe NBA defenses will defend him as if he's modern Shaq (highly doubtful), that doesn't make him even close to the best off-ball prospect among Centers in a decade.

[King Ken]

Offensively, he's the best off ball prospect we had as a center in the last 10 years

Please explain. I'm really curious how a slow-footed non-shooting big man whose style of play is characterized by deep post-ups is a good off-ball prospect (let alone the best off-ball Center prospect in the last 10 years ahead of someone like Wembanyama who is truly breaking the game as an off-ball threat).

I assume the argument is that there will be help defense shading him when he tries to establish deep post position but come on, even if you believe NBA defenses will defend him as if he's modern Shaq (highly doubtful), that doesn't make him even close to the best off-ball prospect among Centers in a decade.

It's easy to explain. Just watch him play possession by possession. He's always moving, he sets elite screens, always fundamentally sound, knows how to roll which is extremely difficult for most bigs. They know how to rim run but they don't know angles and where to attack off the ball on the roll. Then he's moving his ass off on the block like LA Shaq. His feel for the game is terrific.

Are you guys even watching him play? Its not hard to see. It's obvious but then again, I try to watch everything. I want to know exactly why a player is producing or why he isn't. His production is consistent because he's relentless and his mental acuity is off the charts. He's not that skilled. In fact, he's underwhelming as a low post draftable big.

He's also a great athlete for his size. If we had something like RAS in the NBA like they do in football, he would be off the charts. 7ft plus guys don't move like he does, 300+ guys don't move like he does. He's not generational like Shaq or Zion but he's a freak for sure. His poor fluidity is what throws people off. Only other guy like that in the last 20 years to sniff the NBA was Edy Tavares.

You do realize off ball offense is extremely diverse. It's not just perimeter based like Klay, Korver, or Steph. For bigs, I prefer you to have big man off ball than for smaller players. Obviously, Wemby is different due to his fluidity and lack of strength, you want him to be more perimeter based.

[Chi town]

He will be the Jamie Jacquez of this draft.

Whoever gets him will get immediate impact.

I think it'll be immediately apparent come combine time that he is a massive liability defending the most popular play in basketball, the PnR. He'll basically be relegated to drop coverage and guys will just spam wide open threes until he overcommits and then he'll easily be driven past or bigs will slide past for easy lobs. There are too many centers that can shoot from the perimeter or put the ball on the floor and take him off the dribble as well. And because he can't spread the floor himself he'll just clog the paint for his teammates on offense.

The reason why I am so high on Yang (all alone apparently btw) is because he's got similar size but is more talented offensively, has much better footwork, has better instincts on both ends, higher BBIQ, and the offense will be able to be run through him due to his passing like you see with Jokic, Sabonis and Sengun. He'll similarly struggle defending the perimeter but no worse than other top centers. I'm not sure Edey will even get 10 mpg because teams will just attack him relentlessly and he'll be a foul magnet even if they don't score. I'm now convinced he's not even draftable with how deep this class is with role players that could actually contribute.

Edey has some of the strangest takes I've ever heard and I've watched 21 full possession by possession games this season.

Edey has elite feel, BBIQ, and awareness. Saying a 18 year old is even in the same stratosphere is asinine. Edey is definitely the most underrated prospect I've seen in ages but a lot of that is due to the eye test. Some guys hate the poor fluidity, they move on, say he won't work and really don't know his game at all. It's somewhat fair as fluidity I'd vital but he's overcame that with his skill-set.

He's his own prototype and he's an excellent Basketball player. Easily the best player in this draft class and it's not even close.

Defensively, he's a lot better than you think. Offensively, he's the best off ball prospect we had as a center in the last 10 years but continue to think he's ass. He's just big. His skill-set is there.

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[JustBuzzin]

He will be the Jamie Jacquez of this draft.

Whoever gets him will get immediate impact.

I think it'll be immediately apparent come combine time that he is a massive liability defending the most popular play in basketball, the PnR. He'll basically be relegated to drop coverage and guys will just spam wide open threes until he overcommits and then he'll easily be driven past or bigs will slide past for easy lobs. There are too many centers that can shoot from the perimeter or put the ball on the floor and take him off the dribble as well. And because he can't spread the floor himself he'll just clog the paint for his teammates on offense.

The reason why I am so high on Yang (all alone apparently btw) is because he's got similar size but is more talented offensively, has much better footwork, has better instincts on both ends, higher BBIQ, and the offense will be able to be run through him due to his passing like you see with Jokic, Sabonis and Sengun. He'll similarly struggle defending the perimeter but no worse than other top centers. I'm not sure Edey will even get 10 mpg because teams will just attack him relentlessly and he'll be a foul magnet even if they don't score. I'm now convinced he's not even draftable with how deep this class is with role players that could actually contribute.

Edey has some of the strangest takes I've ever heard and I've watched 21 full possession by possession games this season.

Edey has elite feel, BBIQ, and awareness. Saying a 18 year old is even in the same stratosphere is asinine. Edey is definitely the most underrated prospect I've seen in ages but a lot of that is due to the eye test. Some guys hate the poor fluidity, they move on, say he won't work and really don't know his game at all. It's somewhat fair as fluidity I'd vital but he's overcame that with his skill-set.

He's his own prototype and he's an excellent Basketball player. Easily the best player in this draft class and it's not even close.

Defensively, he's a lot better than you think. Offensively, he's the best off ball prospect we had as a center in the last 10 years but continue to think he's ass. He's just big. His skill-set is there.

If you take Edey #1 overall that GM deserves to get fired.

Guys just because you dominate in college basketball doesn't mean that will translate to the next level. This dude is a big body, he's not going to be able to stay on the floor long vs NBA athletes. This dude is playing against centers who will probably not make the NBA.

A guy that size needs to be fluid and have quick hips . Edey is not that kind of athlete. Can he be a backup center for 10 years maybe.

Look at the top centers in the NBA Jokic/Embiid/Wemby can all put the ball on the floor at the perimeter. Edey is simply not capable of doing that. Teams are gonna small ball him to death and run him out of oxygen.


Please do not take Edey in the top 10 you will regret it.