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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#281 » by The Moose » Thu Dec 12, 2024 8:52 am

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those are two very good players. The Wizards are historically awful on defense. Sarr isn't responsible for even 1/3 of those point.



I watched the games. Their game plan was to go right at him. They bullied him under the rim and scored right in his face over and over. Sarr was scared of the drive and left Jackson open for a few 3s as well.

Sengun got the memo and dunked right in Sarr's face the first time he touched the ball :lol:









And this game, his overall defense is definitely still a work in a progress to put it lightly. He's definitely a good shot blocker already though
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#282 » by QingJames » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:15 pm

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HadAnEffectHere wrote:Alex Sarr currently has shooting splits of 38/25/66 (and a shot distribution that gives him a TS+ of 81, probably the worst mark for a center in the last decade) and is the worst offensive player in the NBA while anchoring the worst defense in the NBA.


Wizards being the worst defense has zero to do with Sarr. They have several guys, all bad defenders, with one-foot out the door and the others are all young players nearly as raw as Sarr. Not to mention they're tanking. He has elite tools. He's flashed plenty. That is all that should be expected of him this season.

I think Sarr will be good but if he was as good on defense now as people claim he already is then the Wizards wouldn’t be the worst defense in the league. If you replaced him with Gobert I guarantee the Wizards would not be the worst defense in the league. The 5 is the position with the most defensive impact.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#283 » by FarBeyondDriven » Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:00 pm

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HadAnEffectHere wrote:Alex Sarr currently has shooting splits of 38/25/66 (and a shot distribution that gives him a TS+ of 81, probably the worst mark for a center in the last decade) and is the worst offensive player in the NBA while anchoring the worst defense in the NBA.


Wizards being the worst defense has zero to do with Sarr. They have several guys, all bad defenders, with one-foot out the door and the others are all young players nearly as raw as Sarr. Not to mention they're tanking. He has elite tools. He's flashed plenty. That is all that should be expected of him this season.

I think Sarr will be good but if he was as good on defense now as people claim he already is then the Wizards wouldn’t be the worst defense in the league. If you replaced him with Gobert I guarantee the Wizards would not be the worst defense in the league. The 5 is the position with the most defensive impact.


except (and I hate repeating myself) he's playing with dudes looking to be traded and young guys all around his age. Expecting a 19 y/o to be as good a defender as Gobert is laughable. How about we compare 19 y/o Sarr with 19 y/o Gobert. Hmmmm can't because he wasn't in the league. Okay, let's compare 22 y/o Gobert since he didn't get minutes his rookie season. In that second season he put up 9-9-1 with 2 blocks. He finished top 5 in DPOY but he had good young veteran players around him (Hayward, Ingles, Favors, Burks, Burke, Kanter)

Sarr is currently putting up 11-6-2 with 2 blocks. Way ahead of where Gobert was as a 19 y/o and similar to Gobert at 22 y/o with a much better supporting cast.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#284 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:28 pm

Sarr is averaging 11 PPG because he has a greenlight to miss as many threes as he wants...
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#285 » by tontoz » Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:43 pm

On offense its been ugly. His TS is 46%. :nonono:

On defense he is at least competent when switched on to perimeter players and he gets plenty of weakside blocks. On offense he just sucks.
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Post#286 » by Benjammin » Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:18 am

He has athletic gifts and some tools. Time will tell but he had the highest ceiling of anyone in a weak draft so I don't think the Wizards were expecting much different at this point.

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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#287 » by Big J » Fri Dec 20, 2024 2:45 am

19, 9, 5 & 3 and we want to call this kid a bust. Those are star numbers if he can average that.
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Post#288 » by Frichuela » Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:01 am

Big J wrote:19, 9, 5 & 3 and we want to call this kid a bust. Those are star numbers if he can average that.


He also had two clutch 3s in the 4th quarter. Very solid performance by the rookie.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#289 » by tontoz » Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:09 am

He is starting to hit 3s lately, 16 of his last 39. That does give us some optimism. He still has an annoying habit of fading away on shots close to the rim when he doesn't need to.
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Post#290 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:19 am

Big J wrote:19, 9, 5 & 3 and we want to call this kid a bust. Those are star numbers if he can average that.


You literally only post after games when he hits threes.

His TS% is 19 points lower than league average. He's a 7 foot tall center shooting 39% from the field.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#291 » by peZt » Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:39 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Big J wrote:19, 9, 5 & 3 and we want to call this kid a bust. Those are star numbers if he can average that.


You literally only post after games when he hits threes.

His TS% is 19 points lower than league average. He's a 7 foot tall center shooting 39% from the field.


He is also a rookie. Anybody who focuses solely on advanced metrics for a rookie center and not the obvious signs of potential should stop posting about talents
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#292 » by The-Power » Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:53 am

peZt wrote:
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Big J wrote:19, 9, 5 & 3 and we want to call this kid a bust. Those are star numbers if he can average that.


You literally only post after games when he hits threes.

His TS% is 19 points lower than league average. He's a 7 foot tall center shooting 39% from the field.


He is also a rookie. Anybody who focuses solely on advanced metrics for a rookie center and not the obvious signs of potential should stop posting about talents

While I agree to an extent, terrible play as a Rookie should also not be just dismissed. How many big men have had a really bad start to their career but turned out great (not just serviceable)? I don't know the answer for sure but I have a strong hunch that it's rather the exception than the rule.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#293 » by pcbothwel » Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:16 pm

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peZt wrote:
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You literally only post after games when he hits threes.

His TS% is 19 points lower than league average. He's a 7 foot tall center shooting 39% from the field.


He is also a rookie. Anybody who focuses solely on advanced metrics for a rookie center and not the obvious signs of potential should stop posting about talents

While I agree to an extent, terrible play as a Rookie should also not be just dismissed. How many big men have had a really bad start to their career but turned out great (not just serviceable)? I don't know the answer for sure but I have a strong hunch that it's rather the exception than the rule.

"Big men" is a bit broad of a category, but if you are talking about his archetype...there arent many.
Its basically Mobley, Jaren Jackson, and Porzingis....
Guys like Claxton, Noel, etc have similar defensive projections/body type, but completely different offensive projection/skill set.

Sarr and Porzingis had very similar rookie years, and while Mobley was a LITTLE better, Mobley was a year older and had a different game (Didnt shoot from 3 NEARLY as much).

To me, Sarr is basically on track and fully expect his defense and finishing to get better as he packs on the weight.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#294 » by Big J » Fri Dec 20, 2024 4:02 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Big J wrote:19, 9, 5 & 3 and we want to call this kid a bust. Those are star numbers if he can average that.


You literally only post after games when he hits threes.

His TS% is 19 points lower than league average. He's a 7 foot tall center shooting 39% from the field.


Because this is the type of potential he shows. You have to assume that he’s going to grow into playing these good games more often than the bad ones.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#295 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:57 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
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peZt wrote:
He is also a rookie. Anybody who focuses solely on advanced metrics for a rookie center and not the obvious signs of potential should stop posting about talents

While I agree to an extent, terrible play as a Rookie should also not be just dismissed. How many big men have had a really bad start to their career but turned out great (not just serviceable)? I don't know the answer for sure but I have a strong hunch that it's rather the exception than the rule.

"Big men" is a bit broad of a category, but if you are talking about his archetype...there arent many.
Its basically Mobley, Jaren Jackson, and Porzingis....
Guys like Claxton, Noel, etc have similar defensive projections/body type, but completely different offensive projection/skill set.

Sarr and Porzingis had very similar rookie years, and while Mobley was a LITTLE better, Mobley was a year older and had a different game (Didnt shoot from 3 NEARLY as much).

To me, Sarr is basically on track and fully expect his defense and finishing to get better as he packs on the weight.


Sarr TS+: 82
Porzingis rookie TS+: 96

Porzingis was a solid to good offensive player already as a rookie, Sarr is the worst offensive player in the NBA other than Isaiah Collier.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#296 » by Benjammin » Fri Dec 20, 2024 9:41 pm

It's a shame players never improve or develop, especially big young inexperienced ones who have a variety of skills but whose offensive game is terribly inefficient.

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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#297 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:02 pm

Benjammin wrote:It's a shame players never improve or develop, especially big young inexperienced ones who have a variety of skills but whose offensive game is terribly inefficient.

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Obviously he can, but he's having a bad season and Big J's posting only during the times when he randomly makes threes is just weird.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#298 » by FarBeyondDriven » Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:38 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Benjammin wrote:It's a shame players never improve or develop, especially big young inexperienced ones who have a variety of skills but whose offensive game is terribly inefficient.

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Obviously he can, but he's having a bad season and Big J's posting only during the times when he randomly makes threes is just weird.


14/8/2 with 2 blocks and shooting 41% from three in December as a 19 y/o on a tanking team. Not too shabby for the worst offensive player in the NBA. Funny how an almost identical prospect as Evan Mobley is hated on in 2024 while Mobley was considered elite in 2019. Weird stuff man.

Kid just needs to bulk up and improve his shot and he's going to fighting to make all-star teams in the future.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#299 » by The-Power » Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:38 am

pcbothwel wrote:
The-Power wrote:
peZt wrote:
He is also a rookie. Anybody who focuses solely on advanced metrics for a rookie center and not the obvious signs of potential should stop posting about talents

While I agree to an extent, terrible play as a Rookie should also not be just dismissed. How many big men have had a really bad start to their career but turned out great (not just serviceable)? I don't know the answer for sure but I have a strong hunch that it's rather the exception than the rule.

"Big men" is a bit broad of a category, but if you are talking about his archetype...there arent many.
Its basically Mobley, Jaren Jackson, and Porzingis....
Guys like Claxton, Noel, etc have similar defensive projections/body type, but completely different offensive projection/skill set.

Sarr and Porzingis had very similar rookie years, and while Mobley was a LITTLE better, Mobley was a year older and had a different game (Didnt shoot from 3 NEARLY as much).

To me, Sarr is basically on track and fully expect his defense and finishing to get better as he packs on the weight.

Talking about bigs in general, not just his archetype. Most star big men – of any type – showed impact pretty early is my point. Also strong disagree that Porzingis and Mobley had were close to Sarr. They were clearly better. But of course there's still plenty of time left for the season so we'll see where he goes from here.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#300 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sat Dec 21, 2024 2:08 am

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Benjammin wrote:It's a shame players never improve or develop, especially big young inexperienced ones who have a variety of skills but whose offensive game is terribly inefficient.

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Obviously he can, but he's having a bad season and Big J's posting only during the times when he randomly makes threes is just weird.


14/8/2 with 2 blocks and shooting 41% from three in December as a 19 y/o on a tanking team. Not too shabby for the worst offensive player in the NBA. Funny how an almost identical prospect as Evan Mobley is hated on in 2024 while Mobley was considered elite in 2019. Weird stuff man.

Kid just needs to bulk up and improve his shot and he's going to fighting to make all-star teams in the future.


Mobley rookie year TS+: 97
Sarr: 82

Sarr is having one of the worst offensive seasons in NBA history for a starter. No one shoots 39/28 with no free throws in 2024.

He could finish strong, but he has certainly contributed to the Wizards being one of the worst teams in NBA history through 1/4th of the season.

The Wizards are being outscored by 18 points per 100 possessions with Sarr on the court, it's a bloodbath.

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