Ace Bailey

[sodmoraes]

I was watching his numbers by month and the last 2 months of the season his numbers were putrid, like shooting sub 20% from 3 and scoring 12 ppg. Someone who followed his games have some insight about it? He was sick, just in a funk, or he wasnt playing seriously anymore?

[EvanZ]

Jabari Smith is a whole tier better than Bailey. 90% as good at shooting while better at every single aspect of the game.

The entire justification of Bailey is feel. There is no statistical defense of him. You like him because you feel he can translate despite the minefield leading to his selection.

I can buy him being good, I can also buy him being a statistical failure on every way. If he can score in the NBA while putting up tragic advanced stats like he did, he will still likely to be a failure similar to a level of MPJ in the absolute best case. For Ace to suceed, he would need to go from bad feels, bad stats, bad advanced stats to a winning player with good advanced stats in his translation. That's a tall tall ask.

Do you even read posts before replying?

[CptCrunch]

Some people are just incapable of understanding nuisance, hence their inability to critically analyze Ace.

[Catchall]

Based on the chatter people are picking up around the Combine, it's sounding as though VJ Edgecombe and Tre Johnson are currently expected to go at #3 and #4 (in some order) and Ace will slip to #5 or lower.

[76ciology]

Statistically and in terms of draft ranking, Ace Bailey is comparable to Jaylen Brown.

But there’s a big difference in maturity and IQ.

[76ciology]

Based on the chatter people are picking up around the Combine, it's sounding as though VJ Edgecombe and Tre Johnson are currently expected to go at #3 and #4 (in some order) and Ace will slip to #5 or lower.

Link?

[76ciology]

Jabari Smith is a whole tier better than Bailey. 90% as good at shooting while better at every single aspect of the game.

The entire justification of Bailey is feel. There is no statistical defense of him. You like him because you feel he can translate despite the minefield leading to his selection.

I can buy him being good, I can also buy him being a statistical failure on every way. If he can score in the NBA while putting up tragic advanced stats like he did, he will still likely to be a failure similar to a level of MPJ in the absolute best case. For Ace to suceed, he would need to go from bad feels, bad stats, bad advanced stats to a winning player with good advanced stats in his translation. That's a tall tall ask.

This is perfectly said.

[76ciology]

If a large portion of your shot diet is going to be mid-range, you need to be an elite shooter, someone on the level of SGA or Jokic. Based on Bailey’s shooting numbers, including a 69% free throw% (Tatum shot 84%), he doesn’t project as an advanced or reliable on-ball shooter. He’s more of a basic shooter who’s most effective on catch-and-shoot opportunities.

I really like the Jaylen Brown comparison for Bailey as a prospect, especially when looking at their numbers. But as I’ve said, Brown is on a completely different level when it comes to maturity and basketball IQ.

A better comparison is maybe Kevin Knox without the greenlight.

[Catchall]

Based on the chatter people are picking up around the Combine, it's sounding as though VJ Edgecombe and Tre Johnson are currently expected to go at #3 and #4 (in some order) and Ace will slip to #5 or lower.

Link?

Multiple sources on VJ likely not getting past Charlotte, including Sam Vecenie and Tony Jones (The Athletic).
Tony Jones and Leif Thulin (Lockedon NBA Bigboard) on Ace most likely dropping to 5. Some teams reportedly have Ace as low as 9 or 10 on their board. These guys have sources near the Jazz, including scouts. Jazz will likely have some cursory discussions about trading up into the 2 - 4 range.

Obviously, things can change. For example, someone could trade into 3 or 4 and take their guy.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

He might also be Jaden McDaniels with a 3. His handle isn't that great, though, so I am wondering if the people who were so down on Jabari are similarly down on Ace?

Jaden with a 3 is an all nba player

Was gonna say...Yeah I'll take that with a lotto pick.

[76ciology]

Based on the chatter people are picking up around the Combine, it's sounding as though VJ Edgecombe and Tre Johnson are currently expected to go at #3 and #4 (in some order) and Ace will slip to #5 or lower.

Link?

Multiple sources on VJ likely not getting past Charlotte, including Sam Vecenie and Tony Jones (The Athletic).
Tony Jones and Leif Thulin (Lockedon NBA Bigboard) on Ace most likely dropping to 5. Some teams reportedly have Ace as low as 9 or 10 on their board. These guys have sources near the Jazz, including scouts. Jazz will likely have some cursory discussions about trading up into the 2 - 4 range.

Obviously, things can change. For example, someone could trade into 3 or 4 and take their guy.

Edgecombe is a good fit for the Hornets. He may not be a star but he’s a high end impact player. Kind of like a Marcus Smart, GP2 or Draymond in terms of role/impact.

[Catchall]

Link?

Multiple sources on VJ likely not getting past Charlotte, including Sam Vecenie and Tony Jones (The Athletic).
Tony Jones and Leif Thulin (Lockedon NBA Bigboard) on Ace most likely dropping to 5. Some teams reportedly have Ace as low as 9 or 10 on their board. These guys have sources near the Jazz, including scouts. Jazz will likely have some cursory discussions about trading up into the 2 - 4 range.

Obviously, things can change. For example, someone could trade into 3 or 4 and take their guy.

Edgecombe is a good fit for the Hornets. He may not be a star but he’s a high end impact player. Kind of like a Marcus Smart, GP2 or Draymond in terms of role/impact.

Tony Jones did a radio interview this week where he said he thinks Philly will take Edgecombe if they keep the pick. He thinks Charlotte will then pick between Johnson and Knueppel at #4. Then he thinks the Jazz will likely take Ace at #5 (although maybe Johnson also gets to 5). He's got a good record and doesn't just say things without being sourced.

[76ciology]

Multiple sources on VJ likely not getting past Charlotte, including Sam Vecenie and Tony Jones (The Athletic).
Tony Jones and Leif Thulin (Lockedon NBA Bigboard) on Ace most likely dropping to 5. Some teams reportedly have Ace as low as 9 or 10 on their board. These guys have sources near the Jazz, including scouts. Jazz will likely have some cursory discussions about trading up into the 2 - 4 range.

Obviously, things can change. For example, someone could trade into 3 or 4 and take their guy.

Edgecombe is a good fit for the Hornets. He may not be a star but he’s a high end impact player. Kind of like a Marcus Smart, GP2 or Draymond in terms of role/impact.

Tony Jones did a radio interview this week where he said he thinks Philly will take Edgecombe if they keep the pick. He thinks Charlotte will then pick between Johnson and Knueppel at #4. Then he thinks the Jazz will likely take Ace at #5 (although maybe Johnson also gets to 5). He's got a good record and doesn't just say things without being sourced.

Edgecombe fits the mold of a prospect Morey tends to like. However, this is the first time Morey has had the opportunity to draft in the top 3, so he might prioritize a player with higher star upside. That said, I could still see the Sixers taking Edgecombe.

[King Ken]

I like Ace upside. I just think he's far floor wise. I like the Jaylen Brown comps for nothing other than both players have really intriguing ceilings. I would prefer Ace to end up in Philly for the sake of learning from PG13 like PG24 learned from Danny Granger

[FarBeyondDriven]

Based on the chatter people are picking up around the Combine, it's sounding as though VJ Edgecombe and Tre Johnson are currently expected to go at #3 and #4 (in some order) and Ace will slip to #5 or lower.

Link?

Multiple sources on VJ likely not getting past Charlotte, including Sam Vecenie and Tony Jones (The Athletic).
Tony Jones and Leif Thulin (Lockedon NBA Bigboard) on Ace most likely dropping to 5. Some teams reportedly have Ace as low as 9 or 10 on their board. These guys have sources near the Jazz, including scouts. Jazz will likely have some cursory discussions about trading up into the 2 - 4 range.

Obviously, things can change. For example, someone could trade into 3 or 4 and take their guy.

none of these guys have sources. Nobody in an NBA front office lets their thoughts leak. It's either pure speculation on their parts or fake news these grifting YouTubers get from provocateurs with ulterior motives. Happens every draft season.

[Catchall]

Link?

Multiple sources on VJ likely not getting past Charlotte, including Sam Vecenie and Tony Jones (The Athletic).
Tony Jones and Leif Thulin (Lockedon NBA Bigboard) on Ace most likely dropping to 5. Some teams reportedly have Ace as low as 9 or 10 on their board. These guys have sources near the Jazz, including scouts. Jazz will likely have some cursory discussions about trading up into the 2 - 4 range.

Obviously, things can change. For example, someone could trade into 3 or 4 and take their guy.

none of these guys have sources. Nobody in an NBA front office lets their thoughts leak. It's either pure speculation on their parts or fake news these grifting YouTubers get from provocateurs with ulterior motives. Happens every draft season.

Yeah...these guys actually do have sources and have a track record. When they put something out, they're careful about it. You're not actually in a position to judge the veracity of their reports or insights unless you've followed them in the past.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Multiple sources on VJ likely not getting past Charlotte, including Sam Vecenie and Tony Jones (The Athletic).
Tony Jones and Leif Thulin (Lockedon NBA Bigboard) on Ace most likely dropping to 5. Some teams reportedly have Ace as low as 9 or 10 on their board. These guys have sources near the Jazz, including scouts. Jazz will likely have some cursory discussions about trading up into the 2 - 4 range.

Obviously, things can change. For example, someone could trade into 3 or 4 and take their guy.

none of these guys have sources. Nobody in an NBA front office lets their thoughts leak. It's either pure speculation on their parts or fake news these grifting YouTubers get from provocateurs with ulterior motives. Happens every draft season.

Yeah...these guys actually do have sources and have a track record. When they put something out, they're careful about it. You're not actually in a position to judge the veracity of their reports or insights unless you've followed them in the past.

I've followed them for years. They're complete frauds with zero sources and laughable track records.

[babyjax13]

none of these guys have sources. Nobody in an NBA front office lets their thoughts leak. It's either pure speculation on their parts or fake news these grifting YouTubers get from provocateurs with ulterior motives. Happens every draft season.

Yeah...these guys actually do have sources and have a track record. When they put something out, they're careful about it. You're not actually in a position to judge the veracity of their reports or insights unless you've followed them in the past.

I've followed them for years. They're complete frauds with zero sources and laughable track records.

Tony Jones is one of the most accurate reporters in the country.

[SkyHook]

Multiple sources on VJ likely not getting past Charlotte, including Sam Vecenie and Tony Jones (The Athletic).
Tony Jones and Leif Thulin (Lockedon NBA Bigboard) on Ace most likely dropping to 5. Some teams reportedly have Ace as low as 9 or 10 on their board. These guys have sources near the Jazz, including scouts. Jazz will likely have some cursory discussions about trading up into the 2 - 4 range.

Obviously, things can change. For example, someone could trade into 3 or 4 and take their guy.

Edgecombe is a good fit for the Hornets. He may not be a star but he’s a high end impact player. Kind of like a Marcus Smart, GP2 or Draymond in terms of role/impact.

Tony Jones did a radio interview this week where he said he thinks Philly will take Edgecombe if they keep the pick. He thinks Charlotte will then pick between Johnson and Knueppel at #4. Then he thinks the Jazz will likely take Ace at #5 (although maybe Johnson also gets to 5). He's got a good record and doesn't just say things without being sourced.

If Ace is the Jazz pick, I hope that they're looking to move him for value rather than keeping him. He is far and away my choice for the virtually inevitable top-5 bust.

[King Ken]

Edgecombe is a good fit for the Hornets. He may not be a star but he’s a high end impact player. Kind of like a Marcus Smart, GP2 or Draymond in terms of role/impact.

Tony Jones did a radio interview this week where he said he thinks Philly will take Edgecombe if they keep the pick. He thinks Charlotte will then pick between Johnson and Knueppel at #4. Then he thinks the Jazz will likely take Ace at #5 (although maybe Johnson also gets to 5). He's got a good record and doesn't just say things without being sourced.

If Ace is the Jazz pick, I hope that they're looking to move him for value rather than keeping him. He is far and away my choice for the virtually inevitable top-5 bust.

I am worried about him with the Jazz and if they trade Lauri for PG13 and Ace. I am not a fan of it for Ace.