2024 NBA Draft Thread

clyde21 · Post #2981 » by **clyde21** » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:00 pm

Ware looks good, imagine if he wasn't lazy and liked basketball amirite

FarBeyondDriven · Post #2982 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 10:04 pm

trades will be altering timelines for many of these draft picks. Castle, drafted into arguably the best situation with a mentor in Paul and the PG job his for the next ten years, playing along Wemby, now will need a trade out of San Antonio if he ever hopes to be a starting PG. So things can change dramatically for the better or worse. And this move doesn't help Devin Carter at all since LaVine and Monk are high usage guards that will be running the offense so he's as blocked as he was before with no end in sight.

Conversely, Buzelis should be seeing more playing time with LaVine gone. Risacher more touches with Johnson down. Ware with the Heat due to the Butler's shenanigans. And I assume the Jazz, Wizards, and Hornets make moves giving their rookies more minutes. Should be a fun week seeing how all of these kids are impacted for good or bad.

babyjax13 · Post #2983 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 10:36 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:trades will be altering timelines for many of these draft picks. Castle, drafted into arguably the best situation with a mentor in Paul and the PG job his for the next ten years, playing along Wemby, now will need a trade out of San Antonio if he ever hopes to be a starting PG. So things can change dramatically for the better or worse. And this move doesn't help Devin Carter at all since LaVine and Monk are high usage guards that will be running the offense so he's as blocked as he was before with no end in sight.

Conversely, Buzelis should be seeing more playing time with LaVine gone. Risacher more touches with Johnson down. Ware with the Heat due to the Butler's shenanigans. And I assume the Jazz, Wizards, and Hornets make moves giving their rookies more minutes. Should be a fun week seeing how all of these kids are impacted for good or bad.

I think it is actually good for Castle. It reduces the pressure to be a primary initiator, he was excellent in a role as a secondary creator and he will get to do that with Fox. I also think Monk is less of an impediment for Carter than Fox was, but it depends on what SAC decides to do after seeing how this team comes together (or doesn't).

HadAnEffectHere · Post #2984 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Fri Feb 14, 2025 5:06 pm

Collier still isn't *good* yet, but he's gotten good enough to win the starting job over Keyonte. He's obviously smart and very quick, but needs to learn how to score to be a starter in the NBA long-term. Probably can carve out a role as a backup though.

While Collier has gotten much better, Cody Williams has not and remains the worst player in the NBA. He's probably one of the worst players I've ever seen.

He's shown so little over the last three years that I could see his third year option being declined if he doesn't look very improved early next season.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #2985 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Sat Feb 15, 2025 8:11 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Collier still isn't *good* yet, but he's gotten good enough to win the starting job over Keyonte. He's obviously smart and very quick, but needs to learn how to score to be a starter in the NBA long-term. Probably can carve out a role as a backup though.

While Collier has gotten much better, Cody Williams has not and remains the worst player in the NBA. He's probably one of the worst players I've ever seen.

He's shown so little over the last three years that I could see his third year option being declined if he doesn't look very improved early next season.

he has been brutal but he, as much as anyone from this class, is going to benefit from a full offseason devoted to the gym and working on his game. These kids don't really get a chance to work on their game much after college since they have all these media obligations, combine, the draft and then camp. It's a whirlwind. But this summer, muscle will be put on, shots and handle worked on, lots of scrimmaging to put these changes into effect and the cream will rise to the top. Cody always was more raw than many and he'll likely need 2-3 seasons to make the jump but I wouldn't give up on him. Johnson, Dadiet, Christie, Chomche are other guys like him that people should allow 2-3 years to develop before getting hyperbolic about them.

wemby · Post #2986 » by **wemby** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:51 am

FarBeyondDriven wrote:trades will be altering timelines for many of these draft picks. Castle, drafted into arguably the best situation with a mentor in Paul and the PG job his for the next ten years, playing along Wemby, now will need a trade out of San Antonio if he ever hopes to be a starting PG. So things can change dramatically for the better or worse.

I completely disagree. Castle showed a lot of promise to eventually be able to take on full time PG duties, but right now he's not there yet and he's much more comfortable as a secondary playmaker at the wing who can sometimes initiate and sometimes play more off ball. More than that would be too much of a burden for him right now and his current development state suits his role very well; if he grows as expected, there's room for him to earn more time on the ball (even if he already gets plenty) as CP3 phases out and Fox declines with age. I don't think it's difficult to envision Castle overtaking Fox by the end of his rookie deal if it all goes right for him. In fact I'd say his path going forward feels much more organic, less forced than it was a month ago.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #2987 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:15 am

wemby wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:trades will be altering timelines for many of these draft picks. Castle, drafted into arguably the best situation with a mentor in Paul and the PG job his for the next ten years, playing along Wemby, now will need a trade out of San Antonio if he ever hopes to be a starting PG. So things can change dramatically for the better or worse.

I completely disagree. Castle showed a lot of promise to eventually be able to take on full time PG duties, but right now he's not there yet and he's much more comfortable as a secondary playmaker at the wing who can sometimes initiate and sometimes play more off ball. More than that would be too much of a burden for him right now and his current development state suits his role very well; if he grows as expected, there's room for him to earn more time on the ball (even if he already gets plenty) as CP3 phases out and Fox declines with age. I don't think it's difficult to envision Castle overtaking Fox by the end of his rookie deal if it all goes right for him. In fact I'd say his path going forward feels much more organic, less forced than it was a month ago.

Nobody said he was there yet. He went from having just CP3 ahead of him and likely job all to himself going forward once CP3 is gone to now being behind Fox for the foreseeable future. No way around it, his chances of being the Spurs PG took a major hit. I'm sure he'll be fine since he can play off-ball and run things when Fox is sitting but that's not the point.

The-Power · Post #2988 » by **The-Power** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:31 am

FarBeyondDriven wrote:Nobody said he was there yet. He went from having just CP3 ahead of him and likely job all to himself going forward once CP3 is gone to now being behind Fox for the foreseeable future. No way around it, his chances of being the Spurs PG took a major hit. I'm sure he'll be fine since he can play off-ball and run things when Fox is sitting but that's not the point.

Such labels are overrated. Fox and Castle can both coexist and each take on extensive ball handling and creation duties as long as they pass the shooting threshold (they already pass the defense threshold). Neither of them are heliocentric players either.

JMAC3 · Post #2989 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Feb 24, 2025 5:17 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
The Moose wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Dunn now 35% from 3 and 55% TS..

Is it possible that people convinced themselves on low sample and a heater to start the career?

Not really, because the shocking part to me was not even primarily about the percentage of makes. It's that he's basically exclusively taking 3PT FG's now. He was completely afraid of shooting for the 2nd half of the NCAA season

That's him buying in to being a role player in Bud's system, asked to shoot 3s and cut for dunks/layups. Probably easier to buy in if he had no strong offensive role when in college. His college coach system probably didn't want him taking 3s, depends on system.

My point is that the sample is very small, we might need to wait a longer while before seeing where he's at with a shooting change.

Now shooting 30% from three, 47% from FT. Trending massivevly down in impact the last 15 games after some where labeling him untouchable around the trade deadline.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #2990 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Sun Mar 2, 2025 6:49 am

took a really long time but Shannon Jr. is finally getting some run and has looked like he belongs

FarBeyondDriven · Post #2991 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 8:01 am

Sheppard finally gets a start and looked the part. That had to have felt good

Chi town · Post #2992 » by **Chi town** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 3:56 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:Sheppard finally gets a start and looked the part. That had to have felt good

Still think he’s going to be really good and he will fit well with the future Rockets of Sengun Amen Green. Will be interesting to see how what the do moving fwd with playing time and roster.

tontoz · Post #2993 » by **tontoz** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 9:54 pm

Chi town wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:Sheppard finally gets a start and looked the part. That had to have felt good

Still think he’s going to be really good and he will fit well with the future Rockets of Sengun Amen Green. Will be interesting to see how what the do moving fwd with playing time and roster.

I would expect Houston to decline the option on FVV next season. I would have definitely preferred the Wizards draft Reed over Sarr.

Chi town · Post #2994 » by **Chi town** » Wed Mar 5, 2025 4:27 pm

VJ showing more. PNR, movement 3s and in the post.

https://youtu.be/hLPdLMTgSK4?si=3rLxhMkewGSFsHwp

CptCrunch · Post #2995 » by **CptCrunch** » Wed Mar 5, 2025 7:31 pm

Rockets probably not picking up FVV this off season. Sheppard hopefully gets PG minutes with FVV going to a contender as low tier starting PG or good point PG.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #2996 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Fri Mar 7, 2025 10:41 pm

watching Clingan and he's just so slow. They don't bother feeding him or even get him in PnR. He's essentially doing cardio out there and banging down low. I figured that would be the case which is why I didn't have him as high as others but it's worse than I even thought. Really bad landing spot for him since they already had two centers and they don't have point guards that can run PnR.

HadAnEffectHere · Post #2997 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Sun Apr 27, 2025 5:44 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:
Givony is awful at this. Here's some especially moronic takes from him from this Big Board:

1) No Caleb Foster
2) No Elliot Cadeau
3) No Aday Mara
4) No Jared McCain
5) No Mikey Williams
6) No Andrej Stojakovic
7) No Marcus Adams
8) Mackenzie Mgbako #31
9) Aaron Bradshaw #32
10) Xavier Booker #33
11) Dillingham #36

seriously wtf is this ha ha ha ha?

Uhh, I'm guessing no one will have Mikey Williams in their early mocks?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/36247699/memphis-recruit-mikey-williams-pleads-not-guilty-shooting-case

It's not like he's been amazing in recent years either.

yeah, no recent draft picks have had legal issues...oh wait. He just put up 24-3-9 last season lmao. You chimed in just to post that? gg

Mikey Williams averaged 5/2/1 on 46% TS% in 18 games at UCF and obviously has no shot at an NBA career if you want to check in on this.

Post #2998 » by **G R E Y** » Wed Apr 30, 2025 5:01 pm

Read on Twitter

FarBeyondDriven · Post #2999 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Sun Jun 1, 2025 6:45 pm

https://streamable.com/lvyep1

this is shockingly alarming. What shooting coach would completely revamp his shot to this? Even his tempo and body language is terrible. This is nothing like how he'd need to shoot during games. Seems really counterproductive.

babyjax13 · Post #3000 » by **babyjax13** » Sun Jun 1, 2025 7:25 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:https://streamable.com/lvyep1

this is shockingly alarming. What shooting coach would completely revamp his shot to this? Even his tempo and body language is terrible. This is nothing like how he'd need to shoot during games. Seems really counterproductive.

It looks way better than it was. I imagine the tempo will speed up, but my confidence in Williams developing is pretty low.