Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1?

[Notanoob]

As people adjust to the knew college rules, I bet we're going to see a lot of guys who look really good as slashers, good at drawing fouls, or good in the post, who won't translate at all. The way that the refs are enforcing the rule changes are very harsh on the defender. It'll force them to back off, allowing bigs to establish position pretty easily, and give room for slashers. If Wiggins doesn't look like he can get around people in this friendly environment, I doubt he'll be blowing by people in the pros. Beware all ye of overhyping prospects.

That said, by sheer athletic ability Wiggens should be good. Even if he's only a jumpshooter and defensive stopper, he will be very valuable as his game develops.

Speaking of which, how does Wiggins' J look? Nice form? Is he hitting his Js at a decent rate? I haven't watched enough of him to know.

[CBB_Fan]

As people adjust to the knew college rules, I bet we're going to see a lot of guys who look really good as slashers, good at drawing fouls, or good in the post, who won't translate at all. The way that the refs are enforcing the rule changes are very harsh on the defender. It'll force them to back off, allowing bigs to establish position pretty easily, and give room for slashers. If Wiggins doesn't look like he can get around people in this friendly environment, I doubt he'll be blowing by people in the pros. Beware all ye of overhyping prospects.

That said, by sheer athletic ability Wiggens should be good. Even if he's only a jumpshooter and defensive stopper, he will be very valuable as his game develops.

Speaking of which, how does Wiggins' J look? Nice form? Is he hitting his Js at a decent rate? I haven't watched enough of him to know.

College basketball is the opposite of a friendly environment for slashers, extra fouling this year or no. The main reason why is zone defense, which every team will play against KU because they are abysmal at PG at not very good at making open 3PT shots.

A wider lane, man defense, and defensive 3 second violations make the NBA a slashers paradise. Wiggins hasn't lost his athleticism; he's still elite by NBA standards and will be able to get to the rim. Watching the games he has played, I think most of his struggles to score are coming from how well teams are game planning against his skillset with the knowledge that KU really only has a few weapons (Wiggins on the drive, Embiid/Ellis in the post, transition). Most of the adjustments made wouldn't happen in the NBA.

[LloydFree]

As people adjust to the knew college rules, I bet we're going to see a lot of guys who look really good as slashers, good at drawing fouls, or good in the post, who won't translate at all. The way that the refs are enforcing the rule changes are very harsh on the defender. It'll force them to back off, allowing bigs to establish position pretty easily, and give room for slashers. If Wiggins doesn't look like he can get around people in this friendly environment, I doubt he'll be blowing by people in the pros. Beware all ye of overhyping prospects.

That said, by sheer athletic ability Wiggens should be good. Even if he's only a jumpshooter and defensive stopper, he will be very valuable as his game develops.

Speaking of which, how does Wiggins' J look? Nice form? Is he hitting his Js at a decent rate? I haven't watched enough of him to know.

College basketball is the opposite of a friendly environment for slashers, extra fouling this year or no. The main reason why is zone defense, which every team will play against KU because they are abysmal at PG at not very good at making open 3PT shots.

A wider lane, man defense, and defensive 3 second violations make the NBA a slashers paradise. Wiggins hasn't lost his athleticism; he's still elite by NBA standards and will be able to get to the rim. Watching the games he has played, I think most of his struggles to score are coming from how well teams are game planning against his skillset with the knowledge that KU really only has a few weapons (Wiggins on the drive, Embiid/Ellis in the post, transition). Most of the adjustments made wouldn't happen in the NBA.

Exactly. College Basketball does not lend itself to slashing Small Forwards It's a PG driven game, that highlights 3 point shooters and wide body Powered Forwards. College ball hides wing players who aren't advanced shooters.

[ceremony816]

College basketball is the opposite of a friendly environment for slashers, extra fouling this year or no. The main reason why is zone defense, which every team will play against KU because they are abysmal at PG at not very good at making open 3PT shots.

+1

Been saying all year that KU would be unstoppable with just one competent PG on their team.

[bigboi]

College basketball is the opposite of a friendly environment for slashers, extra fouling this year or no. The main reason why is zone defense, which every team will play against KU because they are abysmal at PG at not very good at making open 3PT shots.

+1

Been saying all year that KU would be unstoppable with just one competent PG on their team.

Tharpe reminds me of Shabazz Napier when Drummond was on UConn, Napier was such a bad PG, ballhog as well that lowered Jeremy Lamb and Drummond's draft status.. Tharpe is doing the same with Wiggins and Selden

[sikma42]

College basketball is the opposite of a friendly environment for slashers, extra fouling this year or no. The main reason why is zone defense, which every team will play against KU because they are abysmal at PG at not very good at making open 3PT shots.

+1

Been saying all year that KU would be unstoppable with just one competent PG on their team.

Tharpe reminds me of Shabazz Napier when Drummond was on UConn, Napier was such a bad PG, ballhog as well that lowered Jeremy Lamb and Drummond's draft status.. Tharpe is doing the same with Wiggins and Selden

Totally disagree here. Thorpe is no where near as bad as Napier was. He is just isn't a great point. Napier was affirmative hurting other players. Wiggins got ample touches in good position and just does nothing. Napier legit froze out lamb for huge stretches of games while lamb Luke hunt shots off ball or break to the ball.

The problem with KU Isn't just the pg play it is the entire guard and wing play, including Wiggins. They are just bad passers and inconsistent shooters.

[korverd26]

Wiggins still looks solid, but it seems less and less clear if he will be an occasional all star or potential hall of famer.

Floor - Eddie Jones

Middle - Paul George

Ceiling - Kobe Bryant

like the three guys above, Wiggins should be an elite NBA defender, who is a dominate scorer but nothing spectacular when it comes to 3pt shooting or passing. You don't just know if he is going to be an 18ppg scorer like Jones, or 24ppg scorer like George, or a 30ppg clutch guy like Kobe.

[noobcake]

Wiggins still looks solid, but it seems less and less clear if he will be an occasional all star or potential hall of famer.

Floor - Eddie Jones

Middle - Paul George

Ceiling - Kobe Bryant

like the three guys above, Wiggins should be an elite NBA defender, who is a dominate scorer but nothing spectacular when it comes to 3pt shooting or passing. You don't just know if he is going to be an 18ppg scorer like Jones, or 24ppg scorer like George, or a 30ppg clutch guy like Kobe.

Just no

Floor - Corey Brewer
Middle - Rudy Gay
Ceiling - Paul George

[jvalanciunas]

Wiggins still looks solid, but it seems less and less clear if he will be an occasional all star or potential hall of famer.

Floor - Eddie Jones

Middle - Paul George

Ceiling - Kobe Bryant

like the three guys above, Wiggins should be an elite NBA defender, who is a dominate scorer but nothing spectacular when it comes to 3pt shooting or passing. You don't just know if he is going to be an 18ppg scorer like Jones, or 24ppg scorer like George, or a 30ppg clutch guy like Kobe.

Kobe and Paul George are good comparisons to Wiggins, but Eddie Jones is too much of a good player to be called a floor for Wiggins. Wiggins could still be a bust, so his floor could be much much lower, like MKG, Michael Beasley, or Marvin Williams.

[thamadkant]

Eddie Jones as Wiggins's floor??... He wishes!

Wiggins has potential to be great but saying at worst he will be Eddie Jones is over estimation...

1. Eddie Jones, was a fantastic scorer, who could fit many many systems... Ask him to slash he could... Ask him to spot up and be a 3/D guy he could.... Ask him to be an all rounder and he could.
He was like Aron Afflalo on steroids and pogo sticks.
18/4/5/2.5 SG, pretty much all-star SG.


Wiggins doesn't even play like Eddie Jones...
Maybe a taller Sprewell.. But a less chucker version of Rudy Gay also comes to mind. Yes of course if he can put it all together I can see Paul George level wing eventually.

[BaunceyChillups]

Wiggins' below average ball-skills, handle and perimeter game make the Kobe comparison laughable.

[bigboi]

Floor- Terrence Ross
Middle- Paul George
Ceiling- Dr J??

[Notanoob]

As people adjust to the knew college rules, I bet we're going to see a lot of guys who look really good as slashers, good at drawing fouls, or good in the post, who won't translate at all. The way that the refs are enforcing the rule changes are very harsh on the defender. It'll force them to back off, allowing bigs to establish position pretty easily, and give room for slashers. If Wiggins doesn't look like he can get around people in this friendly environment, I doubt he'll be blowing by people in the pros. Beware all ye of overhyping prospects.

That said, by sheer athletic ability Wiggens should be good. Even if he's only a jumpshooter and defensive stopper, he will be very valuable as his game develops.

Speaking of which, how does Wiggins' J look? Nice form? Is he hitting his Js at a decent rate? I haven't watched enough of him to know.

College basketball is the opposite of a friendly environment for slashers, extra fouling this year or no. The main reason why is zone defense, which every team will play against KU because they are abysmal at PG at not very good at making open 3PT shots.

A wider lane, man defense, and defensive 3 second violations make the NBA a slashers paradise. Wiggins hasn't lost his athleticism; he's still elite by NBA standards and will be able to get to the rim. Watching the games he has played, I think most of his struggles to score are coming from how well teams are game planning against his skillset with the knowledge that KU really only has a few weapons (Wiggins on the drive, Embiid/Ellis in the post, transition). Most of the adjustments made wouldn't happen in the NBA.

Exactly. College Basketball does not lend itself to slashing Small Forwards It's a PG driven game, that highlights 3 point shooters and wide body Powered Forwards. College ball hides wing players who aren't advanced shooters.

Let me recant that then. I think that the rule changes will make guys look better as slashers, relative to what we're used to seeing in the past, not make people good slasher or anything. So a guy's ability as a slasher will have to be graded on a curve relative to prospects in the past.

[[RCG]]

Floor - Corey Brewer
Middle - Rudy Gay
Ceiling - Paul George

[TheSuzerain]

As people adjust to the knew college rules, I bet we're going to see a lot of guys who look really good as slashers, good at drawing fouls, or good in the post, who won't translate at all. The way that the refs are enforcing the rule changes are very harsh on the defender. It'll force them to back off, allowing bigs to establish position pretty easily, and give room for slashers. If Wiggins doesn't look like he can get around people in this friendly environment, I doubt he'll be blowing by people in the pros. Beware all ye of overhyping prospects.

That said, by sheer athletic ability Wiggens should be good. Even if he's only a jumpshooter and defensive stopper, he will be very valuable as his game develops.

Speaking of which, how does Wiggins' J look? Nice form? Is he hitting his Js at a decent rate? I haven't watched enough of him to know.

College basketball is the opposite of a friendly environment for slashers, extra fouling this year or no. The main reason why is zone defense, which every team will play against KU because they are abysmal at PG at not very good at making open 3PT shots.

A wider lane, man defense, and defensive 3 second violations make the NBA a slashers paradise. Wiggins hasn't lost his athleticism; he's still elite by NBA standards and will be able to get to the rim. Watching the games he has played, I think most of his struggles to score are coming from how well teams are game planning against his skillset with the knowledge that KU really only has a few weapons (Wiggins on the drive, Embiid/Ellis in the post, transition). Most of the adjustments made wouldn't happen in the NBA.

I think there is some truth to his statement.

Skinny dudes with some handle like Dimwiddie and Kendall Williams are making hay right now from the officiating.

[atlantabbq99]

Wiggins still looks solid, but it seems less and less clear if he will be an occasional all star or potential hall of famer.

Floor - Eddie Jones

Middle - Paul George

Ceiling - Kobe Bryant

like the three guys above, Wiggins should be an elite NBA defender, who is a dominate scorer but nothing spectacular when it comes to 3pt shooting or passing. You don't just know if he is going to be an 18ppg scorer like Jones, or 24ppg scorer like George, or a 30ppg clutch guy like Kobe.

Just no

Floor - Corey Brewer
Middle - Rudy Gay
Ceiling - Paul George

No, this is just stupid. noobcake wins the award for dumbest post if the only name he can throw out is Rudy Gay and Corey Brewer.

[atlantabbq99]

Floor - Corey Brewer
Middle - Rudy Gay
Ceiling - Paul George

This

[Ayt]

Wiggins' below average ball-skills, handle and perimeter game make the Kobe comparison laughable.

It is basically impossible that he ever plays like Kobe given his skill set.

[EricAnderson]

One thing i havent seen yet from Wiggins is that holy **** atheltic aiblity and explosivneess..Not saying hes not athletic obviously he is but watching clips of him in high school i expected him to be a Nique Carter level athlete whos by far and away the most explosive athletic player on the court whenver hes on it and its not been the case yet..

Dont know if somehow those clips somehow made him look more explosive and athleti thenc he is or maybe hes not going full out in fear of gettign hurt?

[ManualRam]

Floor - Corey Brewer
Middle - Rudy Gay
Ceiling - Paul George

This

lemme see your comparisons so i can laugh at them too.