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[Onus]

This mock has Sengun going 21st:

https://watchstadium.com/jeff-goodmans-2021-nba-mock-draft-1-0-rockets-reload-06-02-2021/

What do you guys think? IDK, it seems like people on here see Sengun more highly. I'm seeing many on here with Sengun on the top 10, some say he's a top 5-6 player in the draft. Someone even said on here he's the best player in the draft.

Is it really possibly he falls all the way to 21?

Not possible...any front office that's heavy into analytics, or even medium into analytics, will move heaven and earth to get a mid first rounder if he falls that far.

Yea if he’s there at 14 I’m sure the warriors will be willing to trade for a veteran. Even though I like him and would think about him in the top 8.

[greenandgold]

Analytics will grade Sengun among the best prospects in the draft (youth, production in professional league; free throw rate and steal rate are signs of an alpha).

Turkish league playoffs are much tougher level of competition than the NCAA Tournament. That fact hasn’t been fully absorbed, even by most NBA front offices.

The major upside surprises in the draft will continue to come from European prospects. Doncic, Jokic and on and on.

[Charm]

Analytics will grade Sengun among the best prospects in the draft (youth, production in professional league; free throw rate and steal rate are signs of an alpha).

Turkish league playoffs are much tougher level of competition than the NCAA Tournament. That fact hasn’t been fully absorbed, even by most NBA front offices.

The major upside surprises in the draft will continue to come from European prospects. Doncic, Jokic and on and on.

Just looking at assists, turnovers, steals, and level of competition, you’d think he’s an 18 year old point guard prospect. On top of that he’s a top-1% offensive rebound and free throw machine, which just drives his statistical projection through the roof.

It only takes one front office buying his potential to make him a top-10 pick, and there’s gonna be more than one front office that buys his potential.

[Hal14]

Analytics will grade Sengun among the best prospects in the draft (youth, production in professional league; free throw rate and steal rate are signs of an alpha).

Turkish league playoffs are much tougher level of competition than the NCAA Tournament. That fact hasn’t been fully absorbed, even by most NBA front offices.

The major upside surprises in the draft will continue to come from European prospects. Doncic, Jokic and on and on.

Just looking at assists, turnovers, steals, and level of competition, you’d think he’s an 18 year old point guard prospect. On top of that he’s a top-1% offensive rebound and free throw machine, which just drives his statistical projection through the roof.

It only takes one front office buying his potential to make him a top-10 pick, and there’s gonna be more than one front office that buys his potential.

Yeah, which. is why it's crazy that I've seen mock drafts by multiple media outlets recently with Sengen outside the top 20.

Just based on this video alone, he's top 10 IMO:

Watch on YouTube

[Scoots1994]

The combine will essentially determine if he's top 15 or not.

[Charm]

The combine will essentially determine if he's top 15 or not.

You think he's going to attend the combine with Olympic qualifiers the following week? I'm skeptical. What is there for him to prove at the combine anyway?

[Dn4sty]

The combine will essentially determine if he's top 15 or not.

You think he's going to attend the combine with Olympic qualifiers the following week? I'm skeptical. What is there for him to prove at the combine anyway?

I think his height and wingspan are what either puts him at either picks 14-18 or moves him to the 7-9 range.

If he’s 6-9 with a negative wingspan it will likely mean he’s in the 14-18 range

If he’s 6-10 with a positive wingspan, he can easily go top 10.

If he’s the second, then showing up to the combine would be pretty significant.

[Charm]

The combine will essentially determine if he's top 15 or not.

You think he's going to attend the combine with Olympic qualifiers the following week? I'm skeptical. What is there for him to prove at the combine anyway?

I think his height and wingspan are what either puts him at either picks 14-18 or moves him to the 7-9 range.

If he’s 6-9 with a negative wingspan it will likely mean he’s in the 14-18 range

If he’s 6-10 with a positive wingspan, he can easily go top 10.

If he’s the second, then showing up to the combine would be pretty significant.

Is there any reason to think he has a negative wingspan? A quick google search brings up 7'0.5", which seems about right to the eye. It'd be a shock to me if his wingspan measured under 7", let alone under 6'10".

As for his height, the 6'10" number is in shoes (I'm almost positive), so I'd expect him to measure within half an inch or so of 6'8.5" in socks. Anything outside of that would, again, be a huge shock.

It seems silly for him to fly halfway across the world and interrupt his national team prep just to have some guy measure him.

[DaddyCool19]

Can't the teams who are interested in him send 1 scout who measures him, to get some official numbers?

[greenandgold]

The teams that like him already have his measurements. And quasi-promises are already being made (stay in the draft, don’t work out for any teams or attend combine, we will likely draft you if you are available at a certain spot, you can come over immediately and will get a lot of playing time as a rookie). The teams that have done their European homework don’t want their favorites to be any more known.

[greenandgold]

Sengun wants to come to the NBA immediately. There are teams that may like him but would prefer a draft and stash for roster reasons. Other teams want him on the roster immediately. Those things are being worked out with his agent.

[kobyz]

Am i the only one seeing a lot Elton Brand in him?

[Scoots1994]

Can't the teams who are interested in him send 1 scout who measures him, to get some official numbers?

Sure, the effect is the same. It's basically if his game and his measurables fit close enough to NBA ideals.

[Saints14]

Would he be a good fit on the Thunder with Poku? Not that Poku is established enough to build around him at this point, but in theory that's an incredibly skilled frontcourt on offense that could be a decent fit on D (Poku with a long WS for a PF)

[DaddyCool19]

Number 6 is listed at anywhere between 2.06 and 2.11m
Number 7 is listed at 2.07m
Number 12 is listed at 2.08m
He is the guy between them with the jersey no 23.

If those are legit heights without shoes, which is quite common for european players, shouldn't he be easily measured at 6'10 in shoes?

[Charm]

Number 6 is listed at anywhere between 2.06 and 2.11m
Number 7 is listed at 2.07m
Number 12 is listed at 2.08m
He is the guy between them with the jersey no 23.

If those are legit heights without shoes, which is quite common for european players, shouldn't he be easily measured at 6'10 in shoes?

Those are probably with shoes...they list Blackmon at 1.93m (6'4") and there's no way he's that tall in socks.

Listed heights for Berry (6'0") and Johnson (6'1") also align closely with their known heights in shoes.

[DaddyCool19]

Number 6 is listed at anywhere between 2.06 and 2.11m
Number 7 is listed at 2.07m
Number 12 is listed at 2.08m
He is the guy between them with the jersey no 23.

If those are legit heights without shoes, which is quite common for european players, shouldn't he be easily measured at 6'10 in shoes?

Those are probably with shoes...they list Blackmon at 1.93m (6'4") and there's no way he's that tall in socks.

Listed heights for Berry (6'0") and Johnson (6'1") also align closely with their known heights in shoes.

Europeans normally take the heights of the US guys that they are listed with at college. I don't think they want to disgruntle them, by taking off 1-1,5 inch of their heights. I've read, that every CM costs you extra salary if you are after a PF/C.

[Charm]

Number 6 is listed at anywhere between 2.06 and 2.11m
Number 7 is listed at 2.07m
Number 12 is listed at 2.08m
He is the guy between them with the jersey no 23.

If those are legit heights without shoes, which is quite common for european players, shouldn't he be easily measured at 6'10 in shoes?

Those are probably with shoes...they list Blackmon at 1.93m (6'4") and there's no way he's that tall in socks.

Listed heights for Berry (6'0") and Johnson (6'1") also align closely with their known heights in shoes.

Europeans normally take the heights of the US guys that they are listed with at college. I don't think they want to disgruntle them, by taking off 1-1,5 inch of their heights. I've read, that every CM costs you extra salary if you are after a PF/C.

That's very interesting...I didn't realize. Even at 6'8.5" or so in socks I don't think Sengun's undersized at center considering his very solid length and frame. If he's an inch+ taller than that, all the better.

[NO-KG-AI]

My take, guys only don't get measures if they are going to actually measure with less than the #'s that are put out there in the public sphere. Almost all the "tall tale" guys that have some outrageous and unbelievable height/wingspan/vertical combination from overseas always skip getting publicly measured at the draft camps in the US.

And then they mysteriously grow over the summer as well.

[Charm]

My take, guys only don't get measures if they are going to actually measure with less than the #'s that are put out there in the public sphere. Almost all the "tall tale" guys that have some outrageous and unbelievable height/wingspan/vertical combination from overseas always skip getting publicly measured at the draft camps in the US.

And then they mysteriously grow over the summer as well.

If anything Sengun’s like the opposite of that. Just a well-put-together 6’10-ish (in shoes) guy with sort of broad shoulders but generally very typical proportions. I don’t think there’s any mystery there.