Shaedon Sharpe - Kentucky

LessEyeTest · Post #301 » by **LessEyeTest** » Fri May 20, 2022 1:36 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he blew up after one summer of AAU basketball right?

SeattleJazzFan · Post #302 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Fri May 20, 2022 2:31 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Can't believe he didn't wanna show off that 49" vertical at the combine

lol. so true.

Catchall · Post #303 » by **Catchall** » Sat May 21, 2022 5:48 am

He's a lottery talent to be sure, but I'm not sure if he's really a franchise-type guy. It's starting to look like he's ducking competition.

GSWFan1994 · Post #304 » by **GSWFan1994** » Sat May 21, 2022 6:11 am

It's extremely hard to get a grasp on this guy... one of the most difficult to evaluate since I've been following the NBA back in 1991, and the draft more or so too.

There are no reliable stats, no reliable videos too, only highlights against lower level competition.

Outside of (perhaps) athleticism, does he have an outlier NBA skill? And is his athleticism really functional at the NBA level?

Passing? Court vision? First step? What about his defense? There's nothing out there for us to study and sense him better.

Some team will be wowed at the workouts and take a chance on him... but I, currently, wouldn't.

SelfishPlayer · Post #305 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Mon May 23, 2022 1:52 am

GSWFan1994 wrote:It's extremely hard to get a grasp on this guy... one of the most difficult to evaluate since I've been following the NBA back in 1991, and the draft more or so too.

There are no reliable stats, no reliable videos too, only highlights against lower level competition.

Outside of (perhaps) athleticism, does he have an outlier NBA skill? And is his athleticism really functional at the NBA level?

Passing? Court vision? First step? What about his defense? There's nothing out there for us to study and sense him better.

Some team will be wowed at the workouts and take a chance on him... but I, currently, wouldn't.

Its not difficult. He factually has never been enough of a standout to warrant the current perception surrounding his NBA readiness/potential. He has video playing FIBA basketball for Team Canada when he was 16. He's a known basketball commodity just like the majority of high school graduates that still have yet to make a mark during their post high school career. People are reaching hoping to unearth something phenomenal amongst the multitude of normal looking game tape he has online since a kid.

buzzkilloton · Post #306 » by **buzzkilloton** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:06 am

GSWFan1994 wrote:It's extremely hard to get a grasp on this guy... one of the most difficult to evaluate since I've been following the NBA back in 1991, and the draft more or so too.

There are no reliable stats, no reliable videos too, only highlights against lower level competition.

Outside of (perhaps) athleticism, does he have an outlier NBA skill? And is his athleticism really functional at the NBA level?

Passing? Court vision? First step? What about his defense? There's nothing out there for us to study and sense him better.

Some team will be wowed at the workouts and take a chance on him... but I, currently, wouldn't.

Sam V said the NBA people who watched him in person that he talked to said the length was the thing that stood out the most. He also said everyone said he looked good for what he did. He is said to have a really nice step back 3 which should translate well since its unguardable.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #307 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:20 pm

buzzkilloton wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:It's extremely hard to get a grasp on this guy... one of the most difficult to evaluate since I've been following the NBA back in 1991, and the draft more or so too.

There are no reliable stats, no reliable videos too, only highlights against lower level competition.

Outside of (perhaps) athleticism, does he have an outlier NBA skill? And is his athleticism really functional at the NBA level?

Passing? Court vision? First step? What about his defense? There's nothing out there for us to study and sense him better.

Some team will be wowed at the workouts and take a chance on him... but I, currently, wouldn't.

Sam V said the NBA people who watched him in person that he talked to said the length was the thing that stood out the most. He also said everyone said he looked good for what he did. He is said to have a really nice step back 3 which should translate well since its unguardable.

it's one thing to have a step back three in an empty gym or against hs kids. it's another for that step back three to be effective against the best grown men in the world. but we won't if his step back three works because he won't compete. some NBA team will simply have to take a chance and hope it works.

Post #308 » by **Rafael122** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:25 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:It's extremely hard to get a grasp on this guy... one of the most difficult to evaluate since I've been following the NBA back in 1991, and the draft more or so too.

There are no reliable stats, no reliable videos too, only highlights against lower level competition.

Outside of (perhaps) athleticism, does he have an outlier NBA skill? And is his athleticism really functional at the NBA level?

Passing? Court vision? First step? What about his defense? There's nothing out there for us to study and sense him better.

Some team will be wowed at the workouts and take a chance on him... but I, currently, wouldn't.

Potential top 5 pick without playing ball in almost 2 years. Not knocking the kid, that's incredible if he can get drafted that high without facing any competition. I feel like there's no in between, he's either going to kill it or bust.

clyde21 · Post #309 » by **clyde21** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:26 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:It's extremely hard to get a grasp on this guy... one of the most difficult to evaluate since I've been following the NBA back in 1991, and the draft more or so too.

There are no reliable stats, no reliable videos too, only highlights against lower level competition.

Outside of (perhaps) athleticism, does he have an outlier NBA skill? And is his athleticism really functional at the NBA level?

Passing? Court vision? First step? What about his defense? There's nothing out there for us to study and sense him better.

Some team will be wowed at the workouts and take a chance on him... but I, currently, wouldn't.

Potential top 5 pick without playing ball in almost 2 years. Not knocking the kid, that's incredible if he can get drafted that high without facing any competition. I feel like there's no in between, he's either going to kill it or bust.

largely because this class is wide open after 3, no way he would've been top 5 in last year's class for example under the same scenarios.

and yes, at 4-7 I think he's a fair bet to make in this draft.

last year he would probably start getting considered at pick 9 and on.

Wizop · Post #310 » by **Wizop** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:27 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:but we won't if his step back three works because he won't compete. some NBA team will simply have to take a chance and hope it works.

He's certainly in the mix for the Pacers at 6, but based upon Pritchard's comments in his post lottery press conference, I don't think we will take anyone who refuses to come to Indy for a workout at interviews.

buzzkilloton · Post #311 » by **buzzkilloton** » Mon May 23, 2022 3:29 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
buzzkilloton wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:It's extremely hard to get a grasp on this guy... one of the most difficult to evaluate since I've been following the NBA back in 1991, and the draft more or so too.

There are no reliable stats, no reliable videos too, only highlights against lower level competition.

Outside of (perhaps) athleticism, does he have an outlier NBA skill? And is his athleticism really functional at the NBA level?

Passing? Court vision? First step? What about his defense? There's nothing out there for us to study and sense him better.

Some team will be wowed at the workouts and take a chance on him... but I, currently, wouldn't.

Sam V said the NBA people who watched him in person that he talked to said the length was the thing that stood out the most. He also said everyone said he looked good for what he did. He is said to have a really nice step back 3 which should translate well since its unguardable.

it's one thing to have a step back three in an empty gym or against hs kids. it's another for that step back three to be effective against the best grown men in the world. but we won't if his step back three works because he won't compete. some NBA team will simply have to take a chance and hope it works.

The step back there talking about is from his game film. The discussion was the only thing that can stop it will be him not being to make the shot itself. Hes a +nba athlete with a 6'5 with a 6'11 wingpsan ofc he can get off step back 3s in the nba,

GSWFan1994 · Post #312 » by **GSWFan1994** » Mon May 23, 2022 3:56 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Potential top 5 pick without playing ball in almost 2 years. Not knocking the kid, that's incredible if he can get drafted that high without facing any competition. I feel like there's no in between, he's either going to kill it or bust.

I agree with you, Rafa (btw, same name as one of my best friends).

More and more I feel like there's no in-between with this guy, like you said.

In the past we had players being drafted at a very high spot playing very little (Kyrie Irving with 11 games and, most importantly, Dante Exum)... but Sharpe takes it to the extreme.

Feels to me like someone will take a swing (of course they will), and they will miss.

First Step · Post #313 » by **First Step** » Mon May 23, 2022 9:23 pm

Read on Twitter

It also depends what program he goes to. If he goes to San Antonio, I think that could work. If he goes to Sacramento… we’ve seen that story too many times.

azcatz11 · Post #314 » by **azcatz11** » Mon May 23, 2022 9:45 pm

First Step wrote:

Read on Twitter

It also depends what program he goes to. If he goes to San Antonio, I think that could work. If he goes to Sacramento… we’ve seen that story too many times.

Did he not play HS ball or something? What's the difference between selecting him high and selecting a HS kid IE 20 years ago or whatever?

First Step · Post #315 » by **First Step** » Mon May 23, 2022 9:49 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
First Step wrote:

Read on Twitter

It also depends what program he goes to. If he goes to San Antonio, I think that could work. If he goes to Sacramento… we’ve seen that story too many times.

Did he not play HS ball or something? What's the difference between selecting him high and selecting a HS kid IE 20 years ago or whatever?

Lots of the high school lottery picks ended up busting. Kwame Brown, Jonathan Bender, Martell Webster, Robert Swift.

I remember Gerald Green was hyped as a top 5 pick, and ended up dropping because of the risk. Sure enough he was a mediocre NBA Player.

If Shaedon is a Tmac, Garnett, or Kobe then he will be great regardless where he goes. But it’s impossible to project that unless it’s LeBron. And he’s not that level talent.

If you take a HS kid in the lottery, you are hoping to hit it out the park. It’s a polarizing selection.

azcatz11 · Post #316 » by **azcatz11** » Mon May 23, 2022 9:54 pm

First Step wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
First Step wrote:

Read on Twitter

It also depends what program he goes to. If he goes to San Antonio, I think that could work. If he goes to Sacramento… we’ve seen that story too many times.

Did he not play HS ball or something? What's the difference between selecting him high and selecting a HS kid IE 20 years ago or whatever?

Lots of the high school lottery picks ended up busting. Kwame Brown, Jonathan Bender, Martell Webster, Robert Swift.

I remember Gerald Green was hyped as a top 5 pick, and ended up dropping because of the risk. Sure enough he was a mediocre NBA Player.

If Shaedon is a Tmac, Garnett, or Kobe then he will be great regardless where he goes. But it’s impossible to project that unless it’s LeBron. And he’s not that level talent.

I still don't understand the point of that tweet. He was the #3 player in the country according to rivals. I don't think people are saying he's a kobe level talent but the argument of small sample size isn't a good one. I like Barlowe a lot and even they were saying on his podcast on Friday that he could be the best player in this draft. I think he's just trying to create conversation

Post #317 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon May 23, 2022 9:59 pm

First Step wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
First Step wrote:

Read on Twitter

It also depends what program he goes to. If he goes to San Antonio, I think that could work. If he goes to Sacramento… we’ve seen that story too many times.

Did he not play HS ball or something? What's the difference between selecting him high and selecting a HS kid IE 20 years ago or whatever?

Lots of the high school lottery picks ended up busting. Kwame Brown, Jonathan Bender, Martell Webster, Robert Swift.

I remember Gerald Green was hyped as a top 5 pick, and ended up dropping because of the risk. Sure enough he was a mediocre NBA Player.

If Shaedon is a Tmac, Garnett, or Kobe then he will be great regardless where he goes. But it’s impossible to project that unless it’s LeBron. And he’s not that level talent.

If you take a HS kid in the lottery, you are hoping to hit it out the park. It’s a polarizing selection.

Lots of college lottery picks ended up busting...

It's not like we have seen a drastic reduction of top 5 busts since moving away from drafting a lot of high school players.

First Step · Post #318 » by **First Step** » Mon May 23, 2022 10:00 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
First Step wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Did he not play HS ball or something? What's the difference between selecting him high and selecting a HS kid IE 20 years ago or whatever?

Lots of the high school lottery picks ended up busting. Kwame Brown, Jonathan Bender, Martell Webster, Robert Swift.

I remember Gerald Green was hyped as a top 5 pick, and ended up dropping because of the risk. Sure enough he was a mediocre NBA Player.

If Shaedon is a Tmac, Garnett, or Kobe then he will be great regardless where he goes. But it’s impossible to project that unless it’s LeBron. And he’s not that level talent.

I still don't understand the point of that tweet. He was the #3 player in the country according to rivals. I don't think people are saying he's a kobe level talent but the argument of small sample size isn't a good one. I like Barlowe a lot and even they were saying on his podcast on Friday that he could be the best player in this draft. I think he's just trying to create conversation

I think the point is you’re far more likely to get a Gerald Green than a Kobe.

First Step · Post #319 » by **First Step** » Mon May 23, 2022 10:02 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
First Step wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Did he not play HS ball or something? What's the difference between selecting him high and selecting a HS kid IE 20 years ago or whatever?

Lots of the high school lottery picks ended up busting. Kwame Brown, Jonathan Bender, Martell Webster, Robert Swift.

I remember Gerald Green was hyped as a top 5 pick, and ended up dropping because of the risk. Sure enough he was a mediocre NBA Player.

If Shaedon is a Tmac, Garnett, or Kobe then he will be great regardless where he goes. But it’s impossible to project that unless it’s LeBron. And he’s not that level talent.

If you take a HS kid in the lottery, you are hoping to hit it out the park. It’s a polarizing selection.

Lots of college lottery picks ended up busting...

It's not like we have seen a drastic reduction of top 5 busts since moving away from drafting a lot of high school players.

I’m not arguing that college players don’t bust. However, the more information you have, the better equipped you are to make a good decision

Wizop · Post #320 » by **Wizop** » Mon May 23, 2022 11:00 pm

First Step wrote:Lots of the high school lottery picks ended up busting ... Jonathan Bender

Bender's knees gave out. His situation was similar to Greg Oden's. Bender and Oden didn't work out but not because their talent wasn't evaluated properly.