Anthony Black - Arkansas

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The insight of "guards that can't shoot don't play in the NBA" is pretty obvious.

Anthony Black needs to become a great shooter to play in the NBA.

But this is also true of Isaiah Collier, Steph Castle, Nikola Topic, etc.

Anthony Black's upside is way higher than those guys assuming they learned how to shoot.

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Suggs was the PG and Harris was the SG for the majority of games last season. Suggs started 77 games at PG.

Right and everyone agrees that Orlando needs to upgrade at PG because Suggs isn't very good at it. He is best as a 3D player.

The fact that Black couldn't emerge as the best pg on that Magic squad last year doesn't bode well for his future.
Instead guys like Fultz, Cole and Suggs got the nod and they were so bad they couldn't break 3 apg.

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Suggs was the PG and Harris was the SG for the majority of games last season. Suggs started 77 games at PG.

Right and everyone agrees that Orlando needs to upgrade at PG because Suggs isn't very good at it. He is best as a 3D player.

The fact that Black couldn't emerge as the best pg on that Magic squad last year doesn't bode well for his future.
Instead guys like Fultz, Cole and Suggs got the nod and they were so bad they couldn't break 3 apg.

That's because Black can't shoot yet and guards are worthless in the NBA if they can't shoot.

Steph Castle will be completely worthless in the NBA until he's shooting like 37%+ from three on high volume and it probably will never happen. Isaiah Collier will be completely worthless in the NBA unless he can shoot 37%+ from three on very high volume.

You draft these guys with the slim hope they can learn how to shoot and then their everything else becomes very valuable.

Black's everything else is way better than Collier or Castle or Topic.

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Suggs was the PG and Harris was the SG for the majority of games last season. Suggs started 77 games at PG.

Right and everyone agrees that Orlando needs to upgrade at PG because Suggs isn't very good at it. He is best as a 3D player.

The fact that Black couldn't emerge as the best pg on that Magic squad last year doesn't bode well for his future.
Instead guys like Fultz, Cole and Suggs got the nod and they were so bad they couldn't break 3 apg.

That's because Black can't shoot yet and guards are worthless in the NBA if they can't shoot.

Steph Castle will be completely worthless in the NBA until he's shooting like 37%+ from three on high volume and it probably will never happen. Isaiah Collier will be completely worthless in the NBA unless he can shoot 37%+ from three on very high volume.

You draft these guys with the slim hope they can learn how to shoot and then their everything else becomes very valuable.

Black's everything else is way better than Collier or Castle or Topic.

Markelle Fultz can't shoot, 22% from three and they were playing him over him.

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Right and everyone agrees that Orlando needs to upgrade at PG because Suggs isn't very good at it. He is best as a 3D player.

The fact that Black couldn't emerge as the best pg on that Magic squad last year doesn't bode well for his future.
Instead guys like Fultz, Cole and Suggs got the nod and they were so bad they couldn't break 3 apg.

That's because Black can't shoot yet and guards are worthless in the NBA if they can't shoot.

Steph Castle will be completely worthless in the NBA until he's shooting like 37%+ from three on high volume and it probably will never happen. Isaiah Collier will be completely worthless in the NBA unless he can shoot 37%+ from three on very high volume.

You draft these guys with the slim hope they can learn how to shoot and then their everything else becomes very valuable.

Black's everything else is way better than Collier or Castle or Topic.

Markelle Fultz can't shoot, 22% from three and they were playing him over him.

Yes, because Fultz is a 6 year veteran who is ahead of Black physically and defensively because Fultz has played in the NBA for six years.

Fultz is also unplayable, but he is physically stronger at this point because he's so much older.

Like, Fultz is a very good player in non-shooting aspects, he went first in the draft...

Black will be a great player if he shoots 37%+ on high volume. Is that likely to happen? No, but I think he'll be a definitive star if he gets there. He's incredible at getting to the line and he has an elite BBIQ that is near Jimmy Butler level.

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That's because Black can't shoot yet and guards are worthless in the NBA if they can't shoot.

Steph Castle will be completely worthless in the NBA until he's shooting like 37%+ from three on high volume and it probably will never happen. Isaiah Collier will be completely worthless in the NBA unless he can shoot 37%+ from three on very high volume.

You draft these guys with the slim hope they can learn how to shoot and then their everything else becomes very valuable.

Black's everything else is way better than Collier or Castle or Topic.

Markelle Fultz can't shoot, 22% from three and they were playing him over him.

Yes, because Fultz is a 6 year veteran who is ahead of Black physically and defensively because Fultz has played in the NBA for six years.

Fultz is also unplayable, but he is physically stronger at this point because he's so much older.

Like, Fultz is a very good player in non-shooting aspects, he went first in the draft...

Black will be a great player if he shoots 37%+ on high volume. Is that likely to happen? No, but I think he'll be a definitive star if he gets there. He's incredible at getting to the line and he has an elite BBIQ that is near Jimmy Butler level.

Fultz was a pretty bad defender according to EPM. Black was better, so his offense is just that bad he is unplayable. It is not just his shooting, he just can't score the ball.

You want to put everything on his shooting, but his scoring per 36 was awful, his passing stats are awful.

For instance Amen Thompson had a 17% assist % vs Black at 10%
Amen averaged 15.5 ppg per 36 vs 9.8 per 36 for Black.

All while Amen is a much worse shooter.

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I'm sorry, but your "just judge individual defense by catch all stats over an extremely small sample" stuff is just miserably bad.

It just sucks.

Amen Thompson is also an extremely explosive PF who got the ball rolling to the basket, which allows for scoring and assist opportunities. Black just stayed behind the three point line and watched Paolo and Franz work.

But Black's jumpshot is potentially fixable while Amen's jumpshot is historically bad.

So Black has a chance to be a real PG (not a great chance but a chance) whereas Amen has to be a PF who plays next to an elite shooting center.

Like, you realize that Amen was playing with Jabari Smith at center, right.

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I'm sorry, but your "just judge individual defense by catch all stats over an extremely small sample" stuff is just miserably bad.

It just sucks.

Amen Thompson is also an extremely explosive PF who got the ball rolling to the basket, which allows for scoring and assist opportunities. Black just stayed behind the three point line and watched Paolo and Franz work.

But Black's jumpshot is potentially fixable while Amen's jumpshot is historically bad.

So Black has a chance to be a real PG (not a great chance but a chance) whereas Amen has to be a PF who plays next to an elite shooting center.

Like, you realize that Amen was playing with Jabari Smith at center, right.

You realize you have an excuse for everything? lol

You know why Amen stats are better? because he was simply a better player. There doesn't have to be 20 excuses why. Anthony Black is not good. Yes if he magically becomes a 37% 3 pt shooter on real volume he will be better, but you can say that about every player in the NBA... so you're basically saying nothing.

Zero percent of Rockets fans are trading away Amen for Black. Just like no team with a top 5 pick is trading it for Black right now for a guy that already proved to be a complete zero on offense.

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I'm sorry, but your "just judge individual defense by catch all stats over an extremely small sample" stuff is just miserably bad.

It just sucks.

Amen Thompson is also an extremely explosive PF who got the ball rolling to the basket, which allows for scoring and assist opportunities. Black just stayed behind the three point line and watched Paolo and Franz work.

But Black's jumpshot is potentially fixable while Amen's jumpshot is historically bad.

So Black has a chance to be a real PG (not a great chance but a chance) whereas Amen has to be a PF who plays next to an elite shooting center.

Like, you realize that Amen was playing with Jabari Smith at center, right.

You realize you have an excuse for everything? lol

You know why Amen stats are better? because he was simply a better player. There doesn't have to be 20 excuses why. Anthony Black is not good. Yes if he magically becomes a 37% 3 pt shooter on real volume he will be better, but you can say that about every player in the NBA... so you're basically saying nothing.

Zero percent of Rockets fans are trading away Amen for Black. Just like no team with a top 5 pick is trading it for Black right now for a guy that already proved to be a complete zero on offense.

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Bruh, we watched the closest thing to a clone of Amen Thompson play without a stretch 5 in Detroit and he was benched (benched on a team with a 28 game losing streak!!!) because he suffocated their offense.

Amen and the Rockets are in for an extremely bad season next year as long as they don't trade Sengun and Steven Adams.

Also, Castle is probably going 4th and he's just worse at everything compared to Black. There is nothing he is better at. Name one thing.

Every

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Basketball

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Anthony Black would have the worst OBPM below Scoot Henderson, but he didn't qualify for enough mins.

Black -3.8
Scoot -3.5

Black played in 69 games this year. He made 2 or less FG in 53 of those games. While giving no playmaking, the offense was playing 4 on 5 because he was such a non-threat.

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Anthony Black would have the worst OBPM below Scoot Henderson, but he didn't qualify for enough mins.

Black -3.8
Scoot -3.5

Black played in 69 games this year. He made 2 or less FG in 53 of those games. While giving no playmaking, the offense was playing 4 on 5 because he was such a non-threat.

Yes because he was a non-shooting PG on a team with ball dominant SFs and PFs. If you're a non-shooter and aren't the dumpoff guy and aren't handling the ball, you're going to do nothing helpful on offense.

Let's be really clear, Anthony Black has no path in the NBA unless he shoots like 37% from three.

But neither does Steph Castle, Nikola Topic, Isaiah Collier, Ron Holland, Matas Buzelis, etc etc.

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A few things on this thread...

Fultz, Cole, and even Gary Harris started over Anthony Black because of experience.

Fultz is NOT a better shooter than Black OR a better defender. Fultz % doesn't matter because he doesn't take shots outside of 10-15 feet. Fultz and Gary should be gone for next season.

Black started for a stretch of 28 games straight and they won 17 of those games, which included a 9 game win streak against teams like Boston, Denver, and Indiana. People said the same **** about Jalen Suggs after year 1. A player that just made second team all defense and increased his shooting numbers significantly by year 3.

It's kinda weird to claim a bunch of guys in this draft will be significantly better than Black. He barely played and when he did he looked good even when deferring as a 4th/5th option on offense and providing VERY good defense on opposing guards. He's 6'7 so he can guard 1-3... That player is valuable.

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Anthony Black would have the worst OBPM below Scoot Henderson, but he didn't qualify for enough mins.

Black -3.8
Scoot -3.5

Black played in 69 games this year. He made 2 or less FG in 53 of those games. While giving no playmaking, the offense was playing 4 on 5 because he was such a non-threat.

Yes because he was a non-shooting PG on a team with ball dominant SFs and PFs. If you're a non-shooter and aren't the dumpoff guy and aren't handling the ball, you're going to do nothing helpful on offense.

Let's be really clear, Anthony Black has no path in the NBA unless he shoots like 37% from three.

But neither does Steph Castle, Nikola Topic, Isaiah Collier, Ron Holland, Matas Buzelis, etc etc.

Based on what? I would rather take a chance on all those guys over what I already know about Black. Very confident all those guys except Castle will be better offensive player than Black regardless of shooting. And yes I would rather take a chance on Castle having untapped potential playing a role.

Black would be outside the top 10 for me if he could re-enter this draft knowing what we know now.

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A few things on this thread...

Fultz, Cole, and even Gary Harris started over Anthony Black because of experience.

Fultz is NOT a better shooter than Black OR a better defender. Fultz % doesn't matter because he doesn't take shots outside of 10-15 feet. Fultz and Gary should be gone for next season.

Black started for a stretch of 28 games straight and they won 17 of those games, which included a 9 game win streak against teams like Boston, Denver, and Indiana. People said the same **** about Jalen Suggs after year 1. A player that just made second team all defense and increased his shooting numbers significantly by year 3.

It's kinda weird to claim a bunch of guys in this draft will be significantly better than Black. He barely played and when he did he looked good even when deferring as a 4th/5th option on offense and providing VERY good defense on opposing guards.

Rookie season comparison
Jalen Suggs 24.9 assist%, Black is at 10.6%
Suggs 15.5 ppg per 36, Black at 9.8
Suggs 5.4 3pt per 36, 2.9 3pta per 36

Suggs couldn't shoot but he at least was a threat on offense and his playmaking was significantly better.

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Anthony Black would have the worst OBPM below Scoot Henderson, but he didn't qualify for enough mins.

Black -3.8
Scoot -3.5

Black played in 69 games this year. He made 2 or less FG in 53 of those games. While giving no playmaking, the offense was playing 4 on 5 because he was such a non-threat.

Yes because he was a non-shooting PG on a team with ball dominant SFs and PFs. If you're a non-shooter and aren't the dumpoff guy and aren't handling the ball, you're going to do nothing helpful on offense.

Let's be really clear, Anthony Black has no path in the NBA unless he shoots like 37% from three.

But neither does Steph Castle, Nikola Topic, Isaiah Collier, Ron Holland, Matas Buzelis, etc etc.

Based on what? I would rather take a chance on all those guys over what I already know about Black. Very confident all those guys except Castle will be better offensive player than Black regardless of shooting. And yes I would rather take a chance on Castle having untapped potential playing a role.

Black would be outside the top 10 for me if he could re-enter this draft knowing what we know now.

Ron Holland without shooting is a guy who would never play basketball. I don't think you understand how valuable shooting is at this point. Ausar Thompson is great at most aspects of basketball and is unplayable on a 14-68 team because he can't shoot.

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A few things on this thread...

Fultz, Cole, and even Gary Harris started over Anthony Black because of experience.

Fultz is NOT a better shooter than Black OR a better defender. Fultz % doesn't matter because he doesn't take shots outside of 10-15 feet. Fultz and Gary should be gone for next season.

Black started for a stretch of 28 games straight and they won 17 of those games, which included a 9 game win streak against teams like Boston, Denver, and Indiana. People said the same **** about Jalen Suggs after year 1. A player that just made second team all defense and increased his shooting numbers significantly by year 3.

It's kinda weird to claim a bunch of guys in this draft will be significantly better than Black. He barely played and when he did he looked good even when deferring as a 4th/5th option on offense and providing VERY good defense on opposing guards.

Rookie season comparison
Jalen Suggs 24.9 assist%, Black is at 10.6%
Suggs 15.5 ppg per 36, Black at 9.8
Suggs 5.4 3pt per 36, 2.9 3pta per 36

Suggs couldn't shoot but he at least was a threat on offense and his playmaking was significantly better.

Suggs was given opportunities on a horrible team that had no offensive options and got the #1 pick, Black played next to two ball handlers on a playoff team. I'm sorry, but do you follow the NBA even a little.

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"Fultz, Cole, and even Gary Harris started over Anthony Black because of experience."

These guys aren't starters on any NBA team... it is not like Black was a backup to FVV. Literally none of those guys will be starters next season. Orlando is also a team that will clearly sign a guard to start over Black because again he isn't a starting level talent in the NBA.

[JMAC3]

A few things on this thread...

Fultz, Cole, and even Gary Harris started over Anthony Black because of experience.

Fultz is NOT a better shooter than Black OR a better defender. Fultz % doesn't matter because he doesn't take shots outside of 10-15 feet. Fultz and Gary should be gone for next season.

Black started for a stretch of 28 games straight and they won 17 of those games, which included a 9 game win streak against teams like Boston, Denver, and Indiana. People said the same **** about Jalen Suggs after year 1. A player that just made second team all defense and increased his shooting numbers significantly by year 3.

It's kinda weird to claim a bunch of guys in this draft will be significantly better than Black. He barely played and when he did he looked good even when deferring as a 4th/5th option on offense and providing VERY good defense on opposing guards.

Rookie season comparison
Jalen Suggs 24.9 assist%, Black is at 10.6%
Suggs 15.5 ppg per 36, Black at 9.8
Suggs 5.4 3pt per 36, 2.9 3pta per 36

Suggs couldn't shoot but he at least was a threat on offense and his playmaking was significantly better.

Suggs was given opportunities on a horrible team that had no offensive options and got the #1 pick, Black played next to two ball handlers on a playoff team. I'm sorry, but do you follow the NBA even a little.

Yet here you are protesting Black would be the first guard/wing drafted in this draft.. when we already know he is a bad offensive basketball player.

But I see your giving yourself an out as usual.

When Topic or Holland are better it will be "Because they shot the ball better than Black" which is an incredibly low bar for when you change your opinion.

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Rookie season comparison
Jalen Suggs 24.9 assist%, Black is at 10.6%
Suggs 15.5 ppg per 36, Black at 9.8
Suggs 5.4 3pt per 36, 2.9 3pta per 36

Suggs couldn't shoot but he at least was a threat on offense and his playmaking was significantly better.

Suggs was given opportunities on a horrible team that had no offensive options and got the #1 pick, Black played next to two ball handlers on a playoff team. I'm sorry, but do you follow the NBA even a little.

Yet here you are protesting Black would be the first guard/wing drafted in this draft.. when we already know he is a bad offensive basketball player.

But I see your giving yourself an out as usual.

When Topic or Holland are better it will be "Because they shot the ball better than Black" which is an incredibly low bar for when you change your opinion.

I feel like "excuses" applies a lot more to defending Ron Holland being the 3rd best player on a team that went 2-32.

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Suggs was given opportunities on a horrible team that had no offensive options and got the #1 pick, Black played next to two ball handlers on a playoff team. I'm sorry, but do you follow the NBA even a little.

Yet here you are protesting Black would be the first guard/wing drafted in this draft.. when we already know he is a bad offensive basketball player.

But I see your giving yourself an out as usual.

When Topic or Holland are better it will be "Because they shot the ball better than Black" which is an incredibly low bar for when you change your opinion.

I feel like "excuses" applies a lot more to defending Ron Holland being the 3rd best player on a team that went 2-32.

Yes, the leading scorer and wildly considered their best defender was their 3rd best player lolol.
I am sure you think Holland will be bad, unless he shoots 37% from 3 but if he does he will be good.
Great analysis lol