Brandon Ingram

[Westbreezy]

Another poster here asked what was stopping Ingram from being the next Wesley Johnson and since I wasn't a huge basketball fan when Wes was in college I wasn't sure what to think. They seemingly have similar builds although Ingram is a bit taller and has a longer wingspan. But its not like Wes Johnson was a bad prospect right? How else would he have been such a high pick.

I looked at Wes Johnson's Syracuse numbers and it looked pretty good honestly. Similar scoring to Ingram, he hit 1.5 threes a game on 41% 3FG% as well as 1.7 STL and 1.8 BLK per game which seems to be really good. I guess the big knock is that Wes did what Ingram is doing as a 21 year old whereas Ingram is doing the same thing as an 18 year old.

Let me end this question by saying that I don't believe that Ingram is the next Wes, I just want to hear arguments from you guys who are probably more informed than I am. I only remember Wes as a bust, but didn't quite understand why he didn't make it.

[Dr Positivity]

Another poster here asked what was stopping Ingram from being the next Wesley Johnson and since I wasn't a huge basketball fan when Wes was in college I wasn't sure what to think. They seemingly have similar builds although Ingram is a bit taller and has a longer wingspan. But its not like Wes Johnson was a bad prospect right? How else would he have been such a high pick.

I looked at Wes Johnson's Syracuse numbers and it looked pretty good honestly. Similar scoring to Ingram, he hit 1.5 threes a game on 41% 3FG% as well as 1.7 STL and 1.8 BLK per game which seems to be really good. I guess the big knock is that Wes did what Ingram is doing as a 21 year old whereas Ingram is doing the same thing as an 18 year old.

Let me end this question by saying that I don't believe that Ingram is the next Wes, I just want to hear arguments from you guys who are probably more informed than I am. I only remember Wes as a bust, but didn't quite understand why he didn't make it.

I think Ingram has bust potential, but I see him as a different prospect than Syracuse Wes who never projected as that high volume or isolation friendly a scorer, or really was expected to be a star, but he was supposed to be an athlete who played in transition, had great defensive tools and can hit open 3. He was closer to the side of a Stanley Johnson and Winslow type of pick than Ingram, though with some differences (older, skinnier, with 3pt). Luwawu is probably one of the closest comparisons in this draft (athletic, long armed wing, limited handles, average 3pt). Ingram is projected to be more of a create his own offense player than those guys.

Wes Johnson's 39% 3pt surge was a little bit of an illusion as he was 29-33% his first few years in college, and only had mid 70s FT, and he was projected too confidently in play in transition like he did in college, unless someone is a freak athlete it's hard to expect to just outrun everyone all the time. He put up an elite 10 reb, 2 stl, 2 blk per 40, but Syracuse's zone meant his stats came in a weird context which could have overrated him. Overall without the transition play, as elite defense as expected and average 3pt shooting, he just became a guy. Even at the time of his draft nobody thought he was that amazing of a talent but he was considered a low upside but safe pick compared to Cousins who was a loose cannon

[76ciology]

Another poster here asked what was stopping Ingram from being the next Wesley Johnson and since I wasn't a huge basketball fan when Wes was in college I wasn't sure what to think. They seemingly have similar builds although Ingram is a bit taller and has a longer wingspan. But its not like Wes Johnson was a bad prospect right? How else would he have been such a high pick.

I looked at Wes Johnson's Syracuse numbers and it looked pretty good honestly. Similar scoring to Ingram, he hit 1.5 threes a game on 41% 3FG% as well as 1.7 STL and 1.8 BLK per game which seems to be really good. I guess the big knock is that Wes did what Ingram is doing as a 21 year old whereas Ingram is doing the same thing as an 18 year old.

Let me end this question by saying that I don't believe that Ingram is the next Wes, I just want to hear arguments from you guys who are probably more informed than I am. I only remember Wes as a bust, but didn't quite understand why he didn't make it.

Wes Johnson had only 1 good shooting year, he was a poor shooter prior to that. So the sample size to say he's a good shooter, could be misleading.

Wes Johnson didn't possess adequate guard skills and basketball IQ like Ingram. Wes is more like a catch&shoot on halfcourt and transition player.

Wes Johnson is coming off from a really low base rate. Ingram is more like how Kawhi and George are coming off college.

[Spens1]

Wes Johnson was also old when he came out of Syracuse.

Wes is a lot more limited offensively, Ingram can make his own shot and despite Simmons overshadowing him in ball handling, Ingram's handle isn't all that bad.

[Duke4life831]

He definitely has bust potential. He's super skinny and an average athlete for his size. Look at the other super skinny guys, PG13 and Giannis are freak at gland KD is an all time great player. His floor is definitely a guy that becomes a rotation player on bad teams and you forget he's in the league in 5 years unless he's on your team

[jangles86]

He's going to look fantastic in a lakers singlet.

[dham1974]

Wasn't he supposed to be a great athlete? 44 Verticals where rumored.. people said a mix between T-Mac and Durant.

He is a terrific prospect especially beeing this young. I really like him but athletically he has not impressed me at all. He looks almost slow at times.. i am afraid he will have trouble getting to the rim in the NBA. But ok i said the same thing about KD when he was in college..

He has a good 3pt shot and his Mid Range/Post Up game has potential..and he is a decent Rebounder and Passer.. has defensive Potential... But if he cant get to the rim at all in the NBA i dont see Superstar in him tbh.

I don't know what makes you think he'll have a hard time getting to the rim in the pros. Not only does he have decent speed but he also has long strides. Add that to the ability to shoot the 3 and he most def will have the defense off balance. Only thing he lacks is muscle but so did Tayshaun Paul and Durant.


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[Prez]

He reminds me of rookie Giannis athletically. Not necessarily explosive, but he's flexible and coordinated and has those long strides

I agree, but only at that point. I think Giannis had a lot more potential physically at that point. At draft time he'd only been playing for about 4-5 years and didn't have near the opportunity to work on his body like elite prospects in the states. Had a great frame too. Since then, with high level physical training/nutrition his explosiveness is much better and he's gotten about 30 pounds stronger. He's about 2nd season Anthony Davis size, but with guard-like mobility. I'm not sure if Ingram can add size like that while getting even more explosive.

[iamworthy]

Stop dreaming Laker fans......You are going to have to deal with a Booker/Ingram tandem for the next 15 years!

[JMac1]

Stop dreaming Laker fans......You are going to have to deal with a Booker/Ingram tandem for the next 15 years!

You don't have Booker though

[HotelVitale]

Stop dreaming Laker fans......You are going to have to deal with a Booker/Ingram tandem for the next 15 years!

You don't have Booker though

He's coming next year in FA, though, cuz LA.

[JMac1]

You don't have Booker though

He's coming next year in FA, though, cuz LA.

Booker/Dunn
Booker/Murray


I can roll with that.

[Showtime:Part2]

He reminds me of rookie Giannis athletically. Not necessarily explosive, but he's flexible and coordinated and has those long strides

I agree, but only at that point. I think Giannis had a lot more potential physically at that point. At draft time he'd only been playing for about 4-5 years and didn't have near the opportunity to work on his body like elite prospects in the states. Had a great frame too. Since then, with high level physical training/nutrition his explosiveness is much better and he's gotten about 30 pounds stronger. He's about 2nd season Anthony Davis size, but with guard-like mobility. I'm not sure if Ingram can add size like that while getting even more explosive.

he's 18.... i'd bet anything with an nba diet and training he will be add more weight AND be more explosive than he is now. he wont be giannis, but he will be in better shape than he is now.

[iamworthy]

Stop dreaming Laker fans......You are going to have to deal with a Booker/Ingram tandem for the next 15 years!

You don't have Booker though

You don't have Ingram. And please don't say neither do the Lakers because we all know it's very likely we get him.

[JMac1]

You don't have Booker though

You don't have Ingram. And please don't say neither do the Lakers because we all know it's very likely we get him.

Oh, you guys will get him for sure and he is the better player. Booker Ingram tandem would have been nice, but the NBA knew it so you know how that goes for the Suns.

[Snotbubbles]

I like Ingram as a prospect, but I don't love him. It's going to be 4 or 5 years before his body is even NBA ready. Definitely a useful player in the NBA, but not a guy I think will be a star. In most drafts he wouldn't be considered at the #1 or #2. But in this draft, I don't think you have much of a choice.

[iamworthy]

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[Jagic Mohnson]

You don't have Booker though

He's coming next year in FA, though, cuz LA.

It doesnt matter who Sons get because they cant win titles with good players like the Lakers.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Better or worse prospect than Jabari Parker?

[nicnac215]

Better or worse prospect than Jabari Parker?

I think Ingram has higher ceiling and a lower floor. Jabari more of a sure thing but less superstar in him.