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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#321 » by Klomp » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:02 pm

RationalGaze wrote:You have the inside track since you have that Wyoming tag so what's he look like when running an offense and how's his defense?

He's more of a combo guard than a true PG, and that's reflected in his 1.2:1 assist/turnover ratio. Also, he's only 6'2" in shoes with a 6'3.5" wingspan. He gave good effort on D in college (a requirement for a Larry Shyatt-coached team), but he won't ever be a lockdown defender.

At this point, I've conceded that he'll probably go undrafted. It's too bad, too.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#322 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:17 pm

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Do you think at 6'8', even 6'7 I've seen on some sites, he's too small completely for the C position?

What range would you project?

I still need to navigate through my rankings and likely I wont even try until the final list is out, too many questions as of who is in and not for now.
I think he can play smallball C for sure, with his length.
I probably would say early 2nd round, I like Robert Carter Jr, who is a similar player but more skilled, better.


I've heard both Guerschon Yabusele and Robert Carter Jr. are first round picks. I don't know if teams are just hyped for them or if they're actually first round picks, but I think the value of guys that can defend multiple positions and hit a three point shot is going to be at an all-time high this year as teams try to get the next Draymond Green, Andre Igoudala, Jonas Jerebko, or Jae Crowder. Those middle guys. If so, there are going to be steals in the second round.

Carter Jr and Diamond Stone somewhat nullified one another's stats. Romelo Trimble also took a lot of shots that either Stone or Carter might have converted. Another Maryland player, Jake Layman didn't get to demonstrate his own ability to play small ball PF this year, due to both Stone and Carter.

I could see all three players on NBA rosters, but of the three Carter is probably going to surprise the most if he can improve his defense.

I think Layman lacks confidence on offense and is a very solid defender.

Stone is going to take a couple years. He can score but is he ready to rebound and defend at the next level? Stone will have three point range and he is a very good passer.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#323 » by Negrodamus » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:38 pm

Another old guy that is not getting any love because he's old: Sheldon McClellan.

He was the reason they made it to the Sweet 16. There really isn't a facet of the game that he struggles with. Good defender, shoots 40% from 3. 56% from 2pt. Very athletic. Don't have the actual wingspan, but he appears to have long arms. Has the production. Basically the only thing that hurts him is that he's 23, will be 24 in December.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlKCU1MeHB0[/youtube]

Scored the ball pretty efficiently (16 ppg on 10 FGA).

Another guy that will be overlooked because of age, but is, at the very least, a role player in the NBA.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#324 » by freewhitemoon » Sun May 1, 2016 9:48 am

Has chinanu Onuaku been mentioned? He is mocked at late 2nd but I dont see how he isn't a first round pick. He has almost everything you want out of a center. SIze, good athlete, great defender and can pass pretty well
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#325 » by doordoor123 » Sun May 1, 2016 4:48 pm

freewhitemoon wrote:Has chinanu Onuaku been mentioned? He is mocked at late 2nd but I dont see how he isn't a first round pick. He has almost everything you want out of a center. SIze, good athlete, great defender and can pass pretty well


I love him as a prospect, but he's still very raw offensively and doesn't have the size you want at center. At that age to be that good at defending is great for his floor and ceiling. If he can improve his offense he can be a great player.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#326 » by freewhitemoon » Sun May 1, 2016 5:06 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
freewhitemoon wrote:Has chinanu Onuaku been mentioned? He is mocked at late 2nd but I dont see how he isn't a first round pick. He has almost everything you want out of a center. SIze, good athlete, great defender and can pass pretty well


I love him as a prospect, but he's still very raw offensively and doesn't have the size you want at center. At that age to be that good at defending is great for his floor and ceiling. If he can improve his offense he can be a great player.


he has the same standing reach as andre drummond though
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#327 » by Coeur » Sun May 1, 2016 6:02 pm

Klomp wrote:
RationalGaze wrote:You have the inside track since you have that Wyoming tag so what's he look like when running an offense and how's his defense?

He's more of a combo guard than a true PG, and that's reflected in his 1.2:1 assist/turnover ratio. Also, he's only 6'2" in shoes with a 6'3.5" wingspan. He gave good effort on D in college (a requirement for a Larry Shyatt-coached team), but he won't ever be a lockdown defender.

At this point, I've conceded that he'll probably go undrafted. It's too bad, too.

Larry nance jr would have went undrafted if his name wasn't Larry nance jr and he ended up a top 10-15 rookie.

It is sad. This is a terrible crop of PG's and Josh Adams is left out. He should be ranked as the 2-4 pg in this class but won't go to the combine.

It only takes one team- but it's not looking good
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#328 » by doordoor123 » Sun May 1, 2016 6:26 pm

freewhitemoon wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
freewhitemoon wrote:Has chinanu Onuaku been mentioned? He is mocked at late 2nd but I dont see how he isn't a first round pick. He has almost everything you want out of a center. SIze, good athlete, great defender and can pass pretty well


I love him as a prospect, but he's still very raw offensively and doesn't have the size you want at center. At that age to be that good at defending is great for his floor and ceiling. If he can improve his offense he can be a great player.


he has the same standing reach as andre drummond though


Drummond is 6'11 close to 7'0. Onuaku is is like a flat 6'10. Drummond also has a bigger body and he's more athletic.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#329 » by Gilles » Sun May 1, 2016 6:29 pm

Most people barely saw Adams before Portsmouth, and he didn't do himself any favors, when he launched and didn't make a few very long 3s early into shot-clock. 5/11 A/TO ratio doesn't look amazing either. He'll have to adjust and prove himself in SL and most likely NBADL.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#330 » by PickMeUpASixer » Mon May 2, 2016 2:45 pm

I like Adams as a boom or bust prospect, in the 2nd round I'd take a shot on him. Has some serious athleticism and runs the show for his team, reminds me of Zach Lavine in several ways.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#331 » by doordoor123 » Mon May 2, 2016 3:17 pm

PickMeUpASixer wrote:I like Adams as a boom or bust prospect, in the 2nd round I'd take a shot on him. Has some serious athleticism and runs the show for his team, reminds me of Zach Lavine in several ways.


LaVine did not run the show for his team, LaVine was a better shooter, LaVine was longer, LaVine avoided contact, LaVine shot a lot of dribble pull-ups and LaVine never played point guard. I don't know how you see LaVine. What I DO like about Adams is that, like LaVine, he's shifty. Shifty players often have a better chance of working out. He's also a natural passer. Reminds me more of a smaller Jeremy Lin than anyone.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#332 » by Notanoob » Mon May 2, 2016 3:29 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Spoiler:
Another old guy that is not getting any love because he's old: Sheldon McClellan.

He was the reason they made it to the Sweet 16. There really isn't a facet of the game that he struggles with. Good defender, shoots 40% from 3. 56% from 2pt. Very athletic. Don't have the actual wingspan, but he appears to have long arms. Has the production. Basically the only thing that hurts him is that he's 23, will be 24 in December.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlKCU1MeHB0[/youtube]

Scored the ball pretty efficiently (16 ppg on 10 FGA).

Another guy that will be overlooked because of age, but is, at the very least, a role player in the NBA.

The dude just about never passes the ball, that's his problem. He'll have to be less selfish in the NBA. Scoring skills all look legit though.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#333 » by Coeur » Mon May 2, 2016 3:31 pm

Adams getting left out of the combine is a shame. He would shine in that environment
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#334 » by No-Man » Mon May 2, 2016 3:54 pm

I'd go with Sulaimon over McClellan, better defender, better passing.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#335 » by Negrodamus » Mon May 2, 2016 4:03 pm

Notanoob wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Spoiler:
Another old guy that is not getting any love because he's old: Sheldon McClellan.

He was the reason they made it to the Sweet 16. There really isn't a facet of the game that he struggles with. Good defender, shoots 40% from 3. 56% from 2pt. Very athletic. Don't have the actual wingspan, but he appears to have long arms. Has the production. Basically the only thing that hurts him is that he's 23, will be 24 in December.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlKCU1MeHB0[/youtube]

Scored the ball pretty efficiently (16 ppg on 10 FGA).

Another guy that will be overlooked because of age, but is, at the very least, a role player in the NBA.

The dude just about never passes the ball, that's his problem. He'll have to be less selfish in the NBA. Scoring skills all look legit though.


I've actually read that his coach felt like he was deferring too much instead of just taking over games.

Look, you don't put JR Smith or Jamal Crawford in the game for their passing. Not say he will be those, but he's a combo scoring guard that brought UM to the Sweet 16. I'd take him over many of the prospects that are projected to go in the first round. I'd definitely take him over Sulaimon. Worse scorer, worse playmaker, has a checkered past, worse defender, played with a far better team and made it the same distance.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#336 » by PickMeUpASixer » Mon May 2, 2016 5:47 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
PickMeUpASixer wrote:I like Adams as a boom or bust prospect, in the 2nd round I'd take a shot on him. Has some serious athleticism and runs the show for his team, reminds me of Zach Lavine in several ways.


LaVine did not run the show for his team, LaVine was a better shooter, LaVine was longer, LaVine avoided contact, LaVine shot a lot of dribble pull-ups and LaVine never played point guard. I don't know how you see LaVine. What I DO like about Adams is that, like LaVine, he's shifty. Shifty players often have a better chance of working out. He's also a natural passer. Reminds me more of a smaller Jeremy Lin than anyone.



I don't think I said that they are the same, just that they are similar in several ways. Both have excellent leaping ability off of one foot, Adams also likes to shoot off the dribble. They had vastly different roles in college, but both have shown flashes of PG ability, but are inconsistent with their ball handling and passing. Adams has good assist numbers but poor turnover numbers, Lavine had less of both, but that is probably in large part due to a different role.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#337 » by doordoor123 » Mon May 2, 2016 8:15 pm

PickMeUpASixer wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
PickMeUpASixer wrote:I like Adams as a boom or bust prospect, in the 2nd round I'd take a shot on him. Has some serious athleticism and runs the show for his team, reminds me of Zach Lavine in several ways.


LaVine did not run the show for his team, LaVine was a better shooter, LaVine was longer, LaVine avoided contact, LaVine shot a lot of dribble pull-ups and LaVine never played point guard. I don't know how you see LaVine. What I DO like about Adams is that, like LaVine, he's shifty. Shifty players often have a better chance of working out. He's also a natural passer. Reminds me more of a smaller Jeremy Lin than anyone.



I don't think I said that they are the same, just that they are similar in several ways. Both have excellent leaping ability off of one foot, Adams also likes to shoot off the dribble. They had vastly different roles in college, but both have shown flashes of PG ability, but are inconsistent with their ball handling and passing. Adams has good assist numbers but poor turnover numbers, Lavine had less of both, but that is probably in large part due to a different role.


I know, I just wanted you to be more specific.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#338 » by Lukeem » Tue May 3, 2016 3:55 pm

Caris Levert.... obvious reasons - risk, leading him to be ranked so low but I love his potential if he can just get healthy.

A little patience - strength development, and a little luck and I think he's easily got significant role player on contender written all over him
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#339 » by No-Man » Tue May 3, 2016 4:26 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Notanoob wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Spoiler:
Another old guy that is not getting any love because he's old: Sheldon McClellan.

He was the reason they made it to the Sweet 16. There really isn't a facet of the game that he struggles with. Good defender, shoots 40% from 3. 56% from 2pt. Very athletic. Don't have the actual wingspan, but he appears to have long arms. Has the production. Basically the only thing that hurts him is that he's 23, will be 24 in December.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlKCU1MeHB0[/youtube]

Scored the ball pretty efficiently (16 ppg on 10 FGA).

Another guy that will be overlooked because of age, but is, at the very least, a role player in the NBA.

The dude just about never passes the ball, that's his problem. He'll have to be less selfish in the NBA. Scoring skills all look legit though.


I've actually read that his coach felt like he was deferring too much instead of just taking over games.

Look, you don't put JR Smith or Jamal Crawford in the game for their passing. Not say he will be those, but he's a combo scoring guard that brought UM to the Sweet 16. I'd take him over many of the prospects that are projected to go in the first round. I'd definitely take him over Sulaimon. Worse scorer, worse playmaker, has a checkered past, worse defender, played with a far better team and made it the same distance.


a checkered past? never was charged with anything, he was kicked out of Duke, sure it doesnt bode well, but nothing has come out of it, and he was a A+ student all the way.

Sulaimon has better tools than McClellan, he is quicker, has a better potential defensively and has more versatility to his game, McClellan is the better shooter, purer, but Rasheed can play some combo and handle the rock a bit.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#340 » by Negrodamus » Tue May 3, 2016 6:50 pm

Fischella wrote:
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Notanoob wrote:The dude just about never passes the ball, that's his problem. He'll have to be less selfish in the NBA. Scoring skills all look legit though.


I've actually read that his coach felt like he was deferring too much instead of just taking over games.

Look, you don't put JR Smith or Jamal Crawford in the game for their passing. Not say he will be those, but he's a combo scoring guard that brought UM to the Sweet 16. I'd take him over many of the prospects that are projected to go in the first round. I'd definitely take him over Sulaimon. Worse scorer, worse playmaker, has a checkered past, worse defender, played with a far better team and made it the same distance.


a checkered past? never was charged with anything, he was kicked out of Duke, sure it doesnt bode well, but nothing has come out of it, and he was a A+ student all the way.

Sulaimon has better tools than McClellan, he is quicker, has a better potential defensively and has more versatility to his game, McClellan is the better shooter, purer, but Rasheed can play some combo and handle the rock a bit.


Not only checkered past, but he regressed each year he was at Duke, then came to Maryland and was like the fourth option on the team.

Conversely, McClellan puts up Sulaimon type stats in his freshman year at Texas and improves each year, ending with him carrying Miami to a Sweet 16 on a substantially worse team.

But you're right, Suliamon is definitely better.

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