DeAndre Ayton

[thr3ep01nte4]

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Hope Ayton can be better than this. Towns is horrible.

Damn just really goes to show just how bad is on defense. That was really hard to watch. This also goes to show the hilariously bad low light defensive highlights like you see a lot with Harden dont really show all that much. Its a video like this, that breaks down the average play where you see what poor defense leads to.

Yup. A lot Towns' problems seem to be related to a lack of defensive IQ. Ayton appears to have the same problem. Chances of improving are not very good.

[Duke4life831]

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Hope Ayton can be better than this. Towns is horrible.

Damn just really goes to show just how bad is on defense. That was really hard to watch. This also goes to show the hilariously bad low light defensive highlights like you see a lot with Harden dont really show all that much. Its a video like this, that breaks down the average play where you see what poor defense leads to.

Yup. A lot Towns' problems seem to be related to a lack of defensive IQ. Ayton appears to have the same problem. Chances of improving are not very good.

The thing watching that, it seems to be a few different things being combined which makes Towns so bad. He clearly has a lack of defensive IQ, he doesnt have the quickest feet and isnt the quickest laterally, he has horrible fundamentals and footwork defensively and there was a clear just lack of effort in a bunch of those things. I think when you combine all those things, you get arguably the worst defensive big getting major minutes right now.

I do think Ayton has some of those same issues, the IQ and effort definitely are question marks. Ayton isnt super light of foot but I do think he has quicker feet than towns and I do think he has better footwork and fundamentals than Towns. So I dont think he will be as bad of a defender as Towns. He does have some positives going for him.

[Justwar]

Ayton has athleticism, we won't know about effort and motor till the end of the year, offense I still take towns. Now since he went to the nba his motor dropped. But maybe that 2k15 uk team hid him. I don't think it benefits ayton to play pf in college. Harder adjustment.

[No-Man]

The issue with Ayton isn't how bad is he on D, it's if he is good enough on O to justify it, honestly I haven't seen it yet

[Justwar]

I know I'm the resident uk Homer but if ayton or bamba go to UK, especially ayton he would stop forcing 3s. Cal is known for taking shooting bigs, putting them in the post and it ends up helping long term development wise. He also gets people motor up. Only a couple coaches are gutsy enough to just pull someone being lazy or forcing jumpers. Get those jumpers in the nba when the court is spread

[No-Man]

I know I'm the resident uk Homer but if ayton or bamba go to UK, especially ayton he would stop forcing 3s. Cal is known for taking shooting bigs, putting them in the post and it ends up helping long term development wise. He also gets people motor up. Only a couple coaches are gutsy enough to just pull someone being lazy or forcing jumpers. Get those jumpers in the nba when the court is spread

Ayton is many things, but lazy he is not

[Justwar]

Then it's extremely bad coaching for Miller who'll probably be out because of the scandal anyway. If he showed up in the nba with at least below average defense, and a good post game he wouldn't get flack about his d. Your gonna have to start from scratch on any kind of inside moves the way it looks because he floats

[No-Man]

Then it's extremely bad coaching for Miller who'll probably be out because of the scandal anyway. If he showed up in the nba with at least below average defense, and a good post game he wouldn't get flack about his d. Your gonna have to start from scratch on any kind of inside moves the way it looks because he floats

You havent been watching much have you? his post game is really good (saying that you have to start from scratch is ludicrous) there is 0 issues there, he is shooting jumper because he can and he plays the 4 half the time so they need him too, but he is scoring plenty inside, not in PnRs but they don't run those often anyway

He has power moves in the post.

And of course he would get flack about his D regardless of how good his post game is this is isn't 1997 man, his defense is at least below average also, just what the way he can move and his size you get that much.

[reignfire]

Not high on this guy. I think he's a stiff and having a small wingspan hurts bigs way more than any other position.

[The-Power]

Not high on this guy. I think he's a stiff and having a small wingspan hurts bigs way more than any other position.

Small wingspan? What are you talking about?

[reignfire]

Not high on this guy. I think he's a stiff and having a small wingspan hurts bigs way more than any other position.

Small wingspan? What are you talking about?

I read the stats of Bagley. Oops.

I'll retract that statement and say he's just a stiff. I don't think he's built for 2017 style of basketball.

[The-Power]

Not high on this guy. I think he's a stiff and having a small wingspan hurts bigs way more than any other position.

Small wingspan? What are you talking about?

I read the stats of Bagley. Oops.

I'll retract that statement and say he's just a stiff. I don't think he's built for 2017 style of basketball.

He runs a little too upright but he's perfectly mobile including lateral movement. He has no issues moving around defending Guards out on the perimeter. The problem with him is that he has frequently no idea of where to be and sometimes he rotates back too slowly on defense for whatever reason but to downgrade Ayton for his physical traits is unreasonable imo. Ayton is an exceptional – albeit not a perfect – athlete.

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[doordoor123]

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It was an impressive game for him. This game meant a lot for me. Ayton is extremely fluid for a 7 footer. He played like a top 3 pick. He has so much upside on offense and the NBA spacing is going to help him a lot. I wish he could learn more moves off the dribble because his fluidity is really great. If he can fake out someone from the high post, he can destroy a lot of guys driving to the basket. I also wish he had a better feel for the game and made more of the right passes. The perfect fit for Ayton is on the Lakers. I don’t know how they would trade for him, but they definitely should.

[No-Man]

He is just so freaking static with the ball, NBA spacing could help and whatever you want, but the guy is quite archaic in terms of what he does well, he is a classic big, low-post, high post type, range is pretty meh, jumper is certainly shaky, and he has very little face-up game.

Add that up with his D, and I am just not there, he can be a really good big, an All Star, I am just not buying the generational tag.

[thr3ep01nte4]

He did say he loves Porzingis’ game.

[doordoor123]

He is just so freaking static with the ball, NBA spacing could help and whatever you want, but the guy is quite archaic in terms of what he does well, he is a classic big, low-post, high post type, range is pretty meh, jumper is certainly shaky, and he has very little face-up game.

Add that up with his D, and I am just not there, he can be a really good big, an All Star, I am just not buying the generational tag.

The way he moves reminds me more of a young Dirk Nowitzki than anything, but Dirk was able to take advantage of his fluidity with his handle, jumpshot and fadeaway. I’m saying if he is able to develop his game in the same way, I could see that being a possibility. But he’s not Dirk Nowitzki and he would have to develop a ton to get to that point. I don’t think he’s a generational talent, but with a lot of work I could see him getting there. I just don’t think it’s a realistic possibility. But when you look around, if there are many generational talents in this draft, they aren’t in plain sight. I would rather safely pick someone who could be an all-star high in the draft than gamble on someone who could flop.

Ayton is probably one of the safer picks in this draft at the top.

[No-Man]

Like, no way, Dirk got low with his handle pretty naturally and was handling coast to coast as a 18 year old, the jumper isn't even in the same atmosphere

He is sitting at 5th for me, and I agree on him having a high floor, just not sold on the hyperbole that people are selling

[doordoor123]

Like, no way, Dirk got low with his handle pretty naturally and was handling coast to coast as a 18 year old, the jumper isn't even in the same atmosphere

He is sitting at 5th for me, and I agree on him having a high floor, just not sold on the hyperbole that people are selling

What I’m saying is that he doesn’t have a handle, but if he can develop one, it could make him elite. I’m not comparing the two in terms of skill, just in terms of fluidity. And as I said, it’s a long shot. I don’t expect him to be elite.

[No-Man]

Yeah, if DeAndre Jordan developed a handle he could be Shaq, what are we talking about here?