2021 NBA Draft, Part 2

[Marcus]

G League Ignite Draft Prospect Isaiah Todd is canceling workouts with teams owning late first-round picks — such as the Jazz — because he has focused on visits with teams with lottery picks, sources said.

Via shams

maybe he has some info we don't know about but if he's doing this on the strength it might not be the best move to close out additional options. The talent is there without question but i don't know if the belief outside of his camp is as strong.

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annoyed that the Warriors aren't on this list, but par the course for Mr Myers

Either a typo or he worked out for the Pacers twice, lol

Edit - looks like it was actually the Hornets instead of the Pacers twice:

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G League Ignite Draft Prospect Isaiah Todd is canceling workouts with teams owning late first-round picks — such as the Jazz — because he has focused on visits with teams with lottery picks, sources said.

Via shams

Do you have a link that confirms this? Not seeing it confirmed in any of Shams' tweets in the past week..

[monalotry]

G League Ignite Draft Prospect Isaiah Todd is canceling workouts with teams owning late first-round picks — such as the Jazz — because he has focused on visits with teams with lottery picks, sources said.

Via shams

Do you have a link that confirms this? Not seeing it confirmed in any of Shams' tweets in the past week..

https://theathletic.com/2703448/2021/07/13/sixers-opening-up-ben-simmons-trade-talks-knicks-interested-in-collin-sexton-plus-more-nba-news/

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G League Ignite Draft Prospect Isaiah Todd is canceling workouts with teams owning late first-round picks — such as the Jazz — because he has focused on visits with teams with lottery picks, sources said.

Via shams

Do you have a link that confirms this? Not seeing it confirmed in any of Shams' tweets in the past week..

https://theathletic.com/2703448/2021/07/13/sixers-opening-up-ben-simmons-trade-talks-knicks-interested-in-collin-sexton-plus-more-nba-news/

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[CP War Hawks]

Springer reminds me of Brogdan. Stout combo guard with good length and two way ability. He's been mocked at 20 to Atl in a few mocks lately. I believe he's 2nd youngest to Primo in the class.

[monalotry]

Do you have a link that confirms this? Not seeing it confirmed in any of Shams' tweets in the past week..

https://theathletic.com/2703448/2021/07/13/sixers-opening-up-ben-simmons-trade-talks-knicks-interested-in-collin-sexton-plus-more-nba-news/

I can't read that without a subscription

It's a Sham's article stating the Todd news at the very bottom.

[EMG518]

There was a topic years ago, I can't seem to find it. Maybe someone else remembers. It was showing that a certain percentage of players that went on to be stars all had these stats in common. Like stl % greater than x, etc.

[Nuntius]

The more videos I see about McBride and the more I read about him, the more I cannot understand why Davion Mitchell is mocked ahead of him. Can someone explain that to me?

Mitchell to me looks like someone who has gotten a ton of hype due to playing a big role for a team that won the NCAA title and due to a very significant senior jump. Winning an NCAA title is significant, no doubt, and I can totally get behind the argument that he's ready to help a team right now and that he's a winning player and all that. I just don't think that this is enough to become a lotto pick.

[Nuntius]

There was a topic years ago, I can't seem to find it. Maybe someone else remembers. It was showing that a certain percentage of players that went on to be stars all had these stats in common. Like stl % greater than x, etc.

If this article is accurate then it's a combination of age, height, length, assist rate and steal rate -> https://deanondraft.com/2021/06/15/how-good-is-scottie-barnes/

[The-Power]

The more videos I see about McBride and the more I read about him, the more I cannot understand why Davion Mitchell is mocked ahead of him. Can someone explain that to me?

I don't really see the great appeal of either, to be honest. I have Mitchell as a late-first and McBride as an early-second round guy, so to me they are in the same tier. If that's your point – that they should be much closer on draft board – I'd agree.

[Nuntius]

The more videos I see about McBride and the more I read about him, the more I cannot understand why Davion Mitchell is mocked ahead of him. Can someone explain that to me?

I don't really see the great appeal of either, to be honest. I have Mitchell as a late-first and McBride as an early-second round guy, so to me they are in the same tier. If that's your point – that they should be much closer on draft board – I'd agree.

I'd put McBride ahead of Mitchell (based on the little I've seen, I'm definitely not an expert) but, yeah, late 1st is a good range for both. The issue is that Mitchell is being mocked almost exclusively in the lottery and I've seen him mocked as high as #7 (in NBA.com's mock draft) and I just can't see why.

[nolang1]

G League Ignite Draft Prospect Isaiah Todd is canceling workouts with teams owning late first-round picks — such as the Jazz — because he has focused on visits with teams with lottery picks, sources said.

Via shams

maybe he has some info we don't know about but if he's doing this on the strength it might not be the best move to close out additional options. The talent is there without question but i don't know if the belief outside of his camp is as strong.

Don't see how this is that big of a deal if you read it correctly and see it says nothing about him thinking he's definitely going to be taken in the lottery. Flying around working for 20+ teams isn't very smart, and it probably has as much or more to do with wanting to go to a team where early playing time is available since he already was in the G league.

This is the exact same prelude to all the identical “why did this late first round guy slide?” that somehow manage to fool people year after year. The money towards the end of the first round isn’t that great and an increasing number of players would rather be able to show what they can do and get to their second contract sooner as opposed to being stuck on the end of like Utah’s bench for 2-3 years.

[Charm]

Some team should figure out how to get Sengun and Thor...that could very quickly become the best young frontcourt combo in the NBA.

[clyde21]

The more videos I see about McBride and the more I read about him, the more I cannot understand why Davion Mitchell is mocked ahead of him. Can someone explain that to me?

BIG NOPE

have no fkn clue why/how people are talking about Mitchell as a lotto guy while a dude like Deuce can be had in the 2nd round maybe...doesn't make any sense to me.

really the issue is that people are way too high on Mitchell for some reason.

[Nuntius]

The more videos I see about McBride and the more I read about him, the more I cannot understand why Davion Mitchell is mocked ahead of him. Can someone explain that to me?

BIG NOPE

have no fkn clue why/how people are talking about Mitchell as a lotto guy while a dude like Deuce can be had in the 2nd round maybe...doesn't make any sense to me.

really the issue is that people are way too high on Mitchell for some reason.

I guess that this is the effect of winning the NCAA title. Players who have impressive performances in March Madness do tend to get overhyped. But then again, why isn't Jared Butler overhyped? He was also huge for Baylor's title and he didn't receive nearly the hype that Mitchell received for it, even before his health issues surfaced.

Is it perhaps due to Mitchell's elite burst?

[clyde21]

The more videos I see about McBride and the more I read about him, the more I cannot understand why Davion Mitchell is mocked ahead of him. Can someone explain that to me?

BIG NOPE

have no fkn clue why/how people are talking about Mitchell as a lotto guy while a dude like Deuce can be had in the 2nd round maybe...doesn't make any sense to me.

really the issue is that people are way too high on Mitchell for some reason.

I guess that this is the effect of winning the NCAA title. Players who have impressive performances in March Madness do tend to get overhyped. But then again, why isn't Jared Butler overhyped? He was also huge for Baylor's title and he didn't receive nearly the hype that Mitchell received for it, even before his health issues surfaced.

Is it perhaps due to Mitchell's elite burst?

no clue, I thought Butler was better than Mitchell in the tourney and is a better prospect overall (If the health issues check out)...I've been lost on that one.

[Big J]

The more videos I see about McBride and the more I read about him, the more I cannot understand why Davion Mitchell is mocked ahead of him. Can someone explain that to me?

BIG NOPE

have no fkn clue why/how people are talking about Mitchell as a lotto guy while a dude like Deuce can be had in the 2nd round maybe...doesn't make any sense to me.

really the issue is that people are way too high on Mitchell for some reason.

Probably because Mitchell was amazing in the tourney. He showed he is a big game player. He could end up being 6’ Nate Robinson. I think the also has the Donovan Mitchell name/number thing going for him.

[clyde21]

i mean, just from a draft logic standpoint, taking an older, undersized PG who hasn't really showcased an outlier passing or shooting ability just seems weird to me, we get guys available in the 2nd round like Davion every year, whether it's Deuce this year, Tre Jones last year, Jevon Carter in 18, etc, these guys can always be had later in the draft...there is just no point in spending lotto or even top20 draft capital on guys like this who are not that hard to find tbh.

[Nuntius]

BIG NOPE

have no fkn clue why/how people are talking about Mitchell as a lotto guy while a dude like Deuce can be had in the 2nd round maybe...doesn't make any sense to me.

really the issue is that people are way too high on Mitchell for some reason.

I guess that this is the effect of winning the NCAA title. Players who have impressive performances in March Madness do tend to get overhyped. But then again, why isn't Jared Butler overhyped? He was also huge for Baylor's title and he didn't receive nearly the hype that Mitchell received for it, even before his health issues surfaced.

Is it perhaps due to Mitchell's elite burst?

no clue, I thought Butler was better than Mitchell in the tourney and is a better prospect overall (If the health issues check out)...I've been lost on that one.

I didn't watch the tournament but based on the videos I've seen of both guys, I'd easily take Butler over Mitchell. Frankly, I'd take a lot of guards over Mitchell.

Mitchell basically projects as a Pat Beverley type with less length which is just not terribly exciting. It's not bad and I do expect him to have a decent NBA career but it's just hard to get excited about it, especially early in the draft.