Zach Edey, 7-4

[GoBobs]

I would say start your list with shaq but that was 35 years ago.

[JustBuzzin]

List of two time Wooden Award winners

Ralph Sampson
Zach Edey

That's the list

(Edey technically hasn't won yet, but he's -2500 for the award right now, lmao)

Also, really weird to put Durant here instead of AD.

Are you like someone who argues that Tim Tebow was actually a bad college football player or something.

You said Edey was the best college player in the last 25 years.

I will ask this again did you watch Melo/KD in college?

Melo led his team to a Nat'l championship as a Freshmen.


Edey has been in college 4 years not a single Nat'l championship.


But you trying to sell me on the best college player in the past 25 years. Even Tyler Hansborough was better. I can give you a list of names better than Edey.

If you a Edey superfan just let me know broskie.

Hansbrough was better..? Oh, really? Lets look at the stats.

Hansbrough's best season he averaged just under 23 pts, 10 reb, his best season in blocks was 0.7 per game, his best season in terms of true shooting percentage was around 63%

Edey this season is averaging 24 pts, 11.8 reb and 2.2 blks with a true shooting percentage just under 66%. His numbers are definitively better than Hansbrough's.

Put together your list but Hansbrough isn't on it.

His best per 40 min numbers: 27 pts, 12.4 reb, 1 blk picking the best numbers from each season

Edey per 40 this season: 31 pts, 15 reb, 2.8 blk on better efficiency than Hansbrough ever had in college

Do Nat'l championships not matter?

Seems like you just a stats guy. Your guy so great he stayed 4 years at Purdue lmao

But he's the best college player in the last 25 years cmon put the stats away and realize this kid is still playing college basketball. It's for a reason he's not that great of a NBA prospect.

[JustBuzzin]

Imagine making a list and putting Edey with players like Melo/KD/AD/Zion like cmon people is this a real debate?

[King Ken]

If you take Edey #1 overall that GM deserves to get fired.

Guys just because you dominate in college basketball doesn't mean that will translate to the next level. This dude is a big body, he's not going to be able to stay on the floor long vs NBA athletes. This dude is playing against centers who will probably not make the NBA.

A guy that size needs to be fluid and have quick hips . Edey is not that kind of athlete. Can he be a backup center for 10 years maybe.

Look at the top centers in the NBA Jokic/Embiid/Wemby can all put the ball on the floor at the perimeter. Edey is simply not capable of doing that. Teams are gonna small ball him to death and run him out of oxygen.


Please do not take Edey in the top 10 you will regret it.

I didn't advise that you take him #1 overall. He is 22 years old. As an older NBA prospect, you expect a polished product.

So he's just breaking records and dominating because he's big right? Tell me you don't know his game without telling me you don't know his game. No one in Basketball history is just productive because and they suck at basketball. That's not how Basketball works. If you are breaking records, it's because you are damn good. Saying he's not playing against centers who won't play in the NBA is the terrible statement that could be used for every single prospect ever.

There aren't many guys his size period. He's a freak athlete for his size and moves his feet well for his size. He has poor fluidity. That's his massive weakness. It impacts on ball actions and some defensive actions which we see in college. That still doesn't stop him from doing what he's great at and it won't in the NBA either. It's not like he's doing things fluid now. He's not and he won't in the NBA either. Saying he needs it would only be true if it was clear he's not effective due to it but it's clear he is.

He's not them. He is his own prototype. I wish we can wake up and realize that. Haliburton fell out of the top 10 because, we never seen anyone like him before, does that mean he's a bust. No, it meant he's a new prototype. Just accept it and stop underrating proven players. Out of all of the excellent upperclassmen players which are Mikal Bridges, Brandon Clarke, Cam Johnson, Edey, and Denzel Valentine, only Denzel failed and that was due to a serious injury. He did have some success in year 2. I'll take my chances on excellent players who are upperclassmen. They have succeeded and Clarke as well as Johnson didn't have a prototype before they became that prototype.

How are you going to small ball him to death? He has elite BBIQ, feel for the game, and awareness. Guys like him adjust on the fly. You can't expose them like that. That's the problem, I don't even think you guys even know what you are talking about. It's like you haven't watched Edey play at all. You must think he's JaVale McGee or something. Swaggy P or Blatche.

If you fall in love with Edey and you got the personnel in place, do it. These guys won't believe it even then anyway, they will just create an excuse or blame the refs. I am pretty sure the he's just big will not go away from his naysayers.

Bro he's a post player. That is fine if this was the 90's, but there is no longer post up bigs in the league. Jokic/Embiid/AD can all put the ball on the floor.

Edey is just your old school low post center. He lacks mobility to switch in pick n roll. That's a huge problem if you expect him to be a long-term starter.

Guys like Hibbert, Okafor are no longer in the league because they can't be mobile and switch on perimeter players. Even Dwight is now out of the league because of this.

I just don't see Edey ever being a starting center long-term.

Which old-school center is a movement big? Shaq is the only one we have that actually was a movement big in the low-post and that was LA/Miami Shaq. Everyone was stationary, even early Shaq was but he had to adjust, especially after the introduction of zone defense to nerf Shaq. To think, Edey has low-post movement plus his motor and BBIQ and he has your typical movement actions for bigs like elite screening, being involved in perimeter actions to free up guards, and being a roll option. That's difficult to deal with and we haven't seen it before. Obviously, we all would like to see the PnP addition in the NBA from him. We haven't seen anything like Edey before, saying he's old school is admitting you don't have a damn clue.

He does have the mobility to defend on PnRs. He just lacks fluidity. He's very mobile for his size. He lacks fluidity. That's effects steals, close-outs, and switches but if you have him on the perimeter, he's not easy to get by at all and he's mobile enough to stick with you and contest your shot. He's a great athlete for his size. His issue is fluidity. We haven't had anyone outside of Edy Tavares with poor fluidity enter the NBA. So he will be a one of a kind.

Hibbert and Jah Okafor didn't lack fluidity. They lacked athleticism. Hibbert had success and was undone by the rule change for verticality which is back in the NBA again but was banned to nerf Hibbert which it did. Okafor was never going to be good as a NBA player if you can't defend the rim, paint, or even rebound. Even with his insane low post-game, footwork, and natural scoring ability from the post. Edey doesn't lack athleticism, he lacks fluidity. It's like you aren't watching Edey play and it's obvious, then you got the nerves to talk to me without having a clue on what's his actual game. I don't know how many times I have to say this, 90% of the time, Edey's damage is done before he ever touches the ball offensively. Focusing on the end product will make you miss what makes Edey. That's like watching Klay and being like, anyone that can shoot can make open shots but 90% of Klay's work is done before he even got the rock. He is a movement specialist for a big to an extreme degree. We haven't seen anyone like him before. Please stop saying he's old school or comparing him to archaic bigs.

It's quite obvious you don't see it if you are comparing him to Jah Okafor and Roy Hibbert. Stop envisioning him for what you think he is and envision him for what he actually is.

[King Ken]

I haven’t been keeping up with him this season but I’ve been high on him for a few years now. Any major/noteworthy improvements?

Significant improvements. I was down on him for most of his career. Didn't like his game for the NBA.

Elite screener. Didn't showcase it today but for the most part, he's surefire. This made him a legit NBA prospect in my eyes. 5s have to be at least good screeners or you can't start in today's NBA unless you are a defensive specialist who's a freak on that end.

His rolling has gotten a lot smarter, once again, didn't showcase it today but I've watched over 23 games in full this year, he's an insanely better roller than he was previously. He reads his PG exceptionally well and clearly understands where to roll. A lot of bigs just explode off a screen and rim run but that limits a PnR ball handler option. An elite roller must have tremendous patience but awareness and BBIQ to know where to go off the ball. You can't be a turkey either, that's of no help to the ball handler.

This has turned him into an elite helper: An elite helper is a big man, exclusively a true center in the modern NBA who has elite movement + Screening + Feel for the game + Awareness + BBIQ + Finishing = Elite Helper.

There are only a few players who have ever been this in the modern NBA: Horford, Duncan, and Jokic.

Elite helpers have changed as before the zone defense rules, PF could also be elite helpers too but are too small in today's NBA since the rule changes of 2001.

That's pretty much it. Everything else looks the same but it wasn't that valuable honestly. He had a tremendous motor, elite stamina, especially for his size, was a great athlete for his size, had poor fluidity which severely hampers him, and the elite mental trifecta for a hooper which is BBIQ, feel for the game, and awareness as a junior. But while this was impressive, he was still a tier 5 prospect and a 2nd rounder to UDFA guy at best. He just fits a role in the NBA now. Before, the backup 5 is as good as it gets and for some teams, that's not changing. Brandon Clarke was an excellent college basketball player but there is only so much you can do with a 6'8 215 small ball 5 even if he's highly productive. His poor fluidity could be a killer for some teams and he may not be a top 30 prospect for those teams as Clarke wasn't for some teams.

[GoBobs]

You said Edey was the best college player in the last 25 years.

I will ask this again did you watch Melo/KD in college?

Melo led his team to a Nat'l championship as a Freshmen.


Edey has been in college 4 years not a single Nat'l championship.


But you trying to sell me on the best college player in the past 25 years. Even Tyler Hansborough was better. I can give you a list of names better than Edey.

If you a Edey superfan just let me know broskie.

Hansbrough was better..? Oh, really? Lets look at the stats.

Hansbrough's best season he averaged just under 23 pts, 10 reb, his best season in blocks was 0.7 per game, his best season in terms of true shooting percentage was around 63%

Edey this season is averaging 24 pts, 11.8 reb and 2.2 blks with a true shooting percentage just under 66%. His numbers are definitively better than Hansbrough's.

Put together your list but Hansbrough isn't on it.

His best per 40 min numbers: 27 pts, 12.4 reb, 1 blk picking the best numbers from each season

Edey per 40 this season: 31 pts, 15 reb, 2.8 blk on better efficiency than Hansbrough ever had in college

Do Nat'l championships not matter?

Seems like you just a stats guy. Your guy so great he stayed 4 years at Purdue lmao

But he's the best college player in the last 25 years cmon put the stats away and realize this kid is still playing college basketball. It's for a reason he's not that great of a NBA prospect.

Do you realize that Hansbrough also played 4 years in college basketball? So did Tim Duncan, that doesn't mean a player isn't good.

Edeys stats also blow Tim Duncan's stats away, even though he was more than 25 years ago. And, actually I don't like stats at all, but it is the only evidence we can point to. Without stats I would be stuck making things up like you are.

[GoBobs]

Imagine making a list and putting Edey with players like Melo/KD/AD/Zion like cmon people is this a real debate?

All those guys played 1 year. None of their 1 years is close to what Edey did this year.

[King Ken]

Hansbrough was better..? Oh, really? Lets look at the stats.

Hansbrough's best season he averaged just under 23 pts, 10 reb, his best season in blocks was 0.7 per game, his best season in terms of true shooting percentage was around 63%

Edey this season is averaging 24 pts, 11.8 reb and 2.2 blks with a true shooting percentage just under 66%. His numbers are definitively better than Hansbrough's.

Put together your list but Hansbrough isn't on it.

His best per 40 min numbers: 27 pts, 12.4 reb, 1 blk picking the best numbers from each season

Edey per 40 this season: 31 pts, 15 reb, 2.8 blk on better efficiency than Hansbrough ever had in college

Do Nat'l championships not matter?

Seems like you just a stats guy. Your guy so great he stayed 4 years at Purdue lmao

But he's the best college player in the last 25 years cmon put the stats away and realize this kid is still playing college basketball. It's for a reason he's not that great of a NBA prospect.

Do you realize that Hansbrough also played 4 years in college basketball? So did Tim Duncan, that doesn't mean a player isn't good.

Edeys stats also blow Tim Duncan's stats away, even though he was more than 25 years ago. And, actually I don't like stats at all, but it is the only evidence we can point to. Without stats I would be stuck making things up like you are.

Duncan's impact blows Edey's out the water. Offensively, Edey has the edge but defensively, Duncan is superior. Duncan is still the greatest college basketball player over the last 40 years since David Robinson.

https://tankathon.com/players/compare?players=zach-edey--tim-duncan

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tim-duncan-1.html

Edey is significantly better than Hansbrough. Hansbrough edge on defense is even flawed as Edey does things that matter like rim and paint protect plus he's an excellent defensive rebounder who consistently boxes out.

[JustBuzzin]

Hansbrough was better..? Oh, really? Lets look at the stats.

Hansbrough's best season he averaged just under 23 pts, 10 reb, his best season in blocks was 0.7 per game, his best season in terms of true shooting percentage was around 63%

Edey this season is averaging 24 pts, 11.8 reb and 2.2 blks with a true shooting percentage just under 66%. His numbers are definitively better than Hansbrough's.

Put together your list but Hansbrough isn't on it.

His best per 40 min numbers: 27 pts, 12.4 reb, 1 blk picking the best numbers from each season

Edey per 40 this season: 31 pts, 15 reb, 2.8 blk on better efficiency than Hansbrough ever had in college

Do Nat'l championships not matter?

Seems like you just a stats guy. Your guy so great he stayed 4 years at Purdue lmao

But he's the best college player in the last 25 years cmon put the stats away and realize this kid is still playing college basketball. It's for a reason he's not that great of a NBA prospect.

Do you realize that Hansbrough also played 4 years in college basketball? So did Tim Duncan, that doesn't mean a player isn't good.

Edeys stats also blow Tim Duncan's stats away, even though he was more than 25 years ago. And, actually I don't like stats at all, but it is the only evidence we can point to. Without stats I would be stuck making things up like you are.

The thing I hate about this new generation is they always look at stats.

I miss the good ole days when you just watched players and judge them off the eye test. There is no way you can convince me Edey was a better college player than Melo/KD.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Do Nat'l championships not matter?

Seems like you just a stats guy. Your guy so great he stayed 4 years at Purdue lmao

But he's the best college player in the last 25 years cmon put the stats away and realize this kid is still playing college basketball. It's for a reason he's not that great of a NBA prospect.

Do you realize that Hansbrough also played 4 years in college basketball? So did Tim Duncan, that doesn't mean a player isn't good.

Edeys stats also blow Tim Duncan's stats away, even though he was more than 25 years ago. And, actually I don't like stats at all, but it is the only evidence we can point to. Without stats I would be stuck making things up like you are.

The thing I hate about this new generation is they always look at stats.

I miss the good ole days when you just watched players and judge them off the eye test. There is no way you can convince me Edey was a better college player than Melo/KD.

So was Tim Tebow a bad college football player?

[JustBuzzin]

Do you realize that Hansbrough also played 4 years in college basketball? So did Tim Duncan, that doesn't mean a player isn't good.

Edeys stats also blow Tim Duncan's stats away, even though he was more than 25 years ago. And, actually I don't like stats at all, but it is the only evidence we can point to. Without stats I would be stuck making things up like you are.

The thing I hate about this new generation is they always look at stats.

I miss the good ole days when you just watched players and judge them off the eye test. There is no way you can convince me Edey was a better college player than Melo/KD.

So was Tim Tebow a bad college football player?

No.

What does that have to do with Edey being the best college player in the last 25 years?

You guys try to change the subject after you make ridiculous comments. Calling Edey the best college basketball player in the last 25 years is cray cray!

[HadAnEffectHere]

The thing I hate about this new generation is they always look at stats.

I miss the good ole days when you just watched players and judge them off the eye test. There is no way you can convince me Edey was a better college player than Melo/KD.

So was Tim Tebow a bad college football player?

No.

What does that have to do with Edey being the best college player in the last 25 years?

You guys try to change the subject after you make ridiculous comments. Calling Edey the best college basketball player in the last 25 years is cray cray!

Well, he was completely dominant in each of the last two years, leading his teams to #1 seeds each year, and being declared the best player in college basketball both years, winning the Wooden Award each year.

But other than his stats and accolades and him leading his team to #1 seeds.

[BigGargamel]

The thing I hate about this new generation is they always look at stats.

I miss the good ole days when you just watched players and judge them off the eye test. There is no way you can convince me Edey was a better college player than Melo/KD.

So was Tim Tebow a bad college football player?

No.

What does that have to do with Edey being the best college player in the last 25 years?

You guys try to change the subject after you make ridiculous comments. Calling Edey the best college basketball player in the last 25 years is cray cray!

Calm down my dude.

No one is saying Edey is as "good" as those obviously superior players. But his college resume, four years, how much he has done, that's what makes him potentially the best college basketball player this century.

Instead of "best", we can say "most successful career" if that makes you happy.

[JustBuzzin]

So was Tim Tebow a bad college football player?

No.

What does that have to do with Edey being the best college player in the last 25 years?

You guys try to change the subject after you make ridiculous comments. Calling Edey the best college basketball player in the last 25 years is cray cray!

Well, he was completely dominant in each of the last two years, leading his teams to #1 seeds each year, and being declared the best player in college basketball both years, winning the Wooden Award each year.

But other than his stats and accolades and him leading his team to #1 seeds.

Why does he keep returning to school?

Obviously this guy isn't as great as you think. With all those accolades in a weak draft he should be the #1 overall pick.

Something not adding up...

[JustBuzzin]

So was Tim Tebow a bad college football player?

No.

What does that have to do with Edey being the best college player in the last 25 years?

You guys try to change the subject after you make ridiculous comments. Calling Edey the best college basketball player in the last 25 years is cray cray!

Calm down my dude.

No one is saying Edey is as "good" as those obviously superior players. But his college resume, four years, how much he has done, that's what makes him potentially the best college basketball player this century.

Instead of "best", we can say "most successful career" if that makes you happy.

Well you made this a lot easier than it should have been. If he said that from the start I wouldn't be throwing a tantrum.

I can agree he has the best college resume. But he's not even close to be the best college player I have seen in the last 25; years.


Thanks for clearing that up.

[HadAnEffectHere]

No.

What does that have to do with Edey being the best college player in the last 25 years?

You guys try to change the subject after you make ridiculous comments. Calling Edey the best college basketball player in the last 25 years is cray cray!

Well, he was completely dominant in each of the last two years, leading his teams to #1 seeds each year, and being declared the best player in college basketball both years, winning the Wooden Award each year.

But other than his stats and accolades and him leading his team to #1 seeds.

Why does he keep returning to school?

Obviously this guy isn't as great as you think. With all those accolades in a weak draft he should be the #1 overall pick.

Something not adding up...

So do you think Tim Tebow was not a good college football player.

[OriAr]

No.

What does that have to do with Edey being the best college player in the last 25 years?

You guys try to change the subject after you make ridiculous comments. Calling Edey the best college basketball player in the last 25 years is cray cray!

Well, he was completely dominant in each of the last two years, leading his teams to #1 seeds each year, and being declared the best player in college basketball both years, winning the Wooden Award each year.

But other than his stats and accolades and him leading his team to #1 seeds.

Why does he keep returning to school?

Obviously this guy isn't as great as you think. With all those accolades in a weak draft he should be the #1 overall pick.

Something not adding up...

Nearly $1m from NIL deals make staying in college a very easy decision, especially since he was projected to be a 2nd rounder last year.
Now he's projected a 1st rounder and even lottery in some mocks, I'd say going back to Purdue has been a good decision $$$ wise.

[JustBuzzin]

Well, he was completely dominant in each of the last two years, leading his teams to #1 seeds each year, and being declared the best player in college basketball both years, winning the Wooden Award each year.

But other than his stats and accolades and him leading his team to #1 seeds.

Why does he keep returning to school?

Obviously this guy isn't as great as you think. With all those accolades in a weak draft he should be the #1 overall pick.

Something not adding up...

Nearly $1m from NIL deals make staying in college a very easy decision, especially since he was projected to be a 2nd rounder last year.
Now he's projected a 1st rounder and even lottery in some mocks, I'd say going back to Purdue has been a good decision $$$ wise.

The best college player in the last 25 years was a projected 2nd round pick lmao


You can't make this stuff up!

[azcatz11]

Why does he keep returning to school?

Obviously this guy isn't as great as you think. With all those accolades in a weak draft he should be the #1 overall pick.

Something not adding up...

Nearly $1m from NIL deals make staying in college a very easy decision, especially since he was projected to be a 2nd rounder last year.
Now he's projected a 1st rounder and even lottery in some mocks, I'd say going back to Purdue has been a good decision $$$ wise.

The best college player in the last 25 years was a projected 2nd round pick lmao


You can't make this stuff up!

Jay Williams was a better college player than Edey

[OriAr]

Why does he keep returning to school?

Obviously this guy isn't as great as you think. With all those accolades in a weak draft he should be the #1 overall pick.

Something not adding up...

Nearly $1m from NIL deals make staying in college a very easy decision, especially since he was projected to be a 2nd rounder last year.
Now he's projected a 1st rounder and even lottery in some mocks, I'd say going back to Purdue has been a good decision $$$ wise.

The best college player in the last 25 years was a projected 2nd round pick lmao


You can't make this stuff up!

Being good in college != being a good NBA prospect, especially now.
Edey is still the most dominant college player in this side of 2000, regardless of where he goes in the draft.