Luka Doncic Part III

[BostonCouchGM]

Finley was measured at 6'5 3/4" without shoes. He's likely shrunk slightly with age but not considerably. So 6'7" with shoes. If you look at his shoulders and where they line up plus his head, he's clearly slightly taller than Doncic. So at best, WITH shoes, Doncic is 6'7". The notion he was 6'8" was always an embellishment

Here is a photo... Doncic is inch or two taller than Finley

no. Finley's chin, shoulders, eyes and base of his neck are clearly still north of Doncic's by close to an inch. Draw a straight line from the eyes, nose, chin, etc across and Finley's are 100% higher than Doncic's. You must be counting Doncic's hair lol Not to mention he's wearing dress shoes with higher heels then Finley's low top dockers. Why do people ignore irrefutable visual evidence? How could anyone think Doncic is "inch or two taller than Finley" based on this picture

[DryPaint]

if you want to go by pictures, you can only do it from such correct pics. not the ones with finley from skewed angles, fron below, from left etc ...

in this case the official measurements seem to be correct and this photo seems to prove it. mirotics talk is just that: talk without even some sort of relevant data.

doncic is 6ft 7 and something in shoes and brunson is a good 6 ft 2 in shoes.

[Nikson]

if you want to go by pictures, you can only do it from such correct pics. not the ones with finley from skewed angles, fron below, from left etc ...

in this case the official measurements seem to be correct and this photo seems to prove it. mirotics talk is just that: talk without even some sort of relevant data.

doncic is 6ft 7 and something in shoes and brunson is a good 6 ft 2 in shoes.

Hair.Cut.

[J_T]

Finley was measured at 6'5 3/4" without shoes. He's likely shrunk slightly with age but not considerably. So 6'7" with shoes. If you look at his shoulders and where they line up plus his head, he's clearly slightly taller than Doncic. So at best, WITH shoes, Doncic is 6'7". The notion he was 6'8" was always an embellishment

Here is a photo... Doncic is inch or two taller than Finley

no. Finley's chin, shoulders, eyes and base of his neck are clearly still north of Doncic's by close to an inch. Draw a straight line from the eyes, nose, chin, etc across and Finley's are 100% higher than Doncic's. You must be counting Doncic's hair lol Not to mention he's wearing dress shoes with higher heels then Finley's low top dockers. Why do people ignore irrefutable visual evidence? How could anyone think Doncic is "inch or two taller than Finley" based on this picture

Nobody is stu... silly enough to try getting conclusions from a photo like that. So don't worry.

[Archx]

This thread is crazy. People guaranteeing HOF LOL. I'm just curious. What do people think he's going to average next year? Also, I might be wrong, but I think teams will attack Doncic on the pick and role. Until he proves that he can consistently top notch wings on the switch, he'll be a defensively liability. Ultimately, I don't see Doncic as a game changer. I don't see him as a can't miss prospect. And I don't think his presence will change the Mavs very much. Barring significant additions in the offseason, the Mavs will be right back in the top 5 picks next draft. Doncic might be good, but I'm not seeing the elite scoring. Doncic, is at best a Scottie Pippen or Manu Ginobli type. A smart, high iq #2, but he needs a #1. Also, depending on how good his defense is, his teams might really struggle. Anyone saying out of the box that he can guard 1-4 is delusional. I don't see him guarding, quick and shifty guards well at all. All in all, I'm not nearly as high on Doncic as other people here. Guaranteed HOF. LOL!

And then you go and say that he will be like two hall of fame guys

But i know what you are saying. He has to prove a lot and i also hate that people already crown him this or that. Expectations are mega high and i don't think it is fair. Mavs themselves said he will have many struggles and will have to learn a lot through the years. I have no clue why his ultra fans think he will be Lebron from the start, its insane.

[J_T]

This thread is crazy. People guaranteeing HOF LOL. I'm just curious. What do people think he's going to average next year? Also, I might be wrong, but I think teams will attack Doncic on the pick and role. Until he proves that he can consistently top notch wings on the switch, he'll be a defensively liability. Ultimately, I don't see Doncic as a game changer. I don't see him as a can't miss prospect. And I don't think his presence will change the Mavs very much. Barring significant additions in the offseason, the Mavs will be right back in the top 5 picks next draft. Doncic might be good, but I'm not seeing the elite scoring. Doncic, is at best a Scottie Pippen or Manu Ginobli type. A smart, high iq #2, but he needs a #1. Also, depending on how good his defense is, his teams might really struggle. Anyone saying out of the box that he can guard 1-4 is delusional. I don't see him guarding, quick and shifty guards well at all. All in all, I'm not nearly as high on Doncic as other people here. Guaranteed HOF. LOL!

And then you go and say that he will be like two hall of fame guys

That was my exact thought but I figured there was no point in replying. HoF and MVP.

But i know what you are saying. He has to prove a lot and i also hate that people already crown him this or that. Expectations are mega high and i don't think it is fair. Mavs themselves said he will have many struggles and will have to learn a lot through the years. I have no clue why his ultra fans think he will be Lebron from the start, its insane.

Can you maybe quote 5 of these ultra fans that claim he is going to be LeBron from the start?

[Nikson]

This thread is crazy. People guaranteeing HOF LOL. I'm just curious. What do people think he's going to average next year? Also, I might be wrong, but I think teams will attack Doncic on the pick and role. Until he proves that he can consistently top notch wings on the switch, he'll be a defensively liability. Ultimately, I don't see Doncic as a game changer. I don't see him as a can't miss prospect. And I don't think his presence will change the Mavs very much. Barring significant additions in the offseason, the Mavs will be right back in the top 5 picks next draft. Doncic might be good, but I'm not seeing the elite scoring. Doncic, is at best a Scottie Pippen or Manu Ginobli type. A smart, high iq #2, but he needs a #1. Also, depending on how good his defense is, his teams might really struggle. Anyone saying out of the box that he can guard 1-4 is delusional. I don't see him guarding, quick and shifty guards well at all. All in all, I'm not nearly as high on Doncic as other people here. Guaranteed HOF. LOL!

And then you go and say that he will be like two hall of fame guys

That was my exact thought but I figured there was no point in replying. HoF and MVP.

But i know what you are saying. He has to prove a lot and i also hate that people already crown him this or that. Expectations are mega high and i don't think it is fair. Mavs themselves said he will have many struggles and will have to learn a lot through the years. I have no clue why his ultra fans think he will be Lebron from the start, its insane.

Can you maybe quote 5 of these ultra fans that claim he is going to be LeBron from the start?

Depends. LeBron at what age?

[J_T]

And then you go and say that he will be like two hall of fame guys

That was my exact thought but I figured there was no point in replying. HoF and MVP.

But i know what you are saying. He has to prove a lot and i also hate that people already crown him this or that. Expectations are mega high and i don't think it is fair. Mavs themselves said he will have many struggles and will have to learn a lot through the years. I have no clue why his ultra fans think he will be Lebron from the start, its insane.

Can you maybe quote 5 of these ultra fans that claim he is going to be LeBron from the start?

Depends. LeBron at what age?

The way I understand "like LeBron" is simply - LeBron. Average LeBron. There is no "rookie LeBron" or "prime LeBron" or "current "LeBron" to make me think differently. There is no way he can find 5 posters. At least not in the threads I've been reading. I can name 1-2 such posters.

Archx, you have been talking a lot about all these people that are crazy, but for once I would like to know who exactly are you talking about. I want to understand which statements exactly you consider to be crazy. Because if you don't specify, then I can't say whether I agree with you or not. My guess is that I don't agree with you, because I can't name 5 posters that would've been posting crazy things you mention. But I will only know once you clarify and post examples of posts that you consider totally unreasonable.

[Archx]

That was my exact thought but I figured there was no point in replying. HoF and MVP.


Can you maybe quote 5 of these ultra fans that claim he is going to be LeBron from the start?

Depends. LeBron at what age?

The way I understand "like LeBron" is simply - LeBron. Average LeBron. There is no "rookie LeBron" or "prime LeBron" or "current "LeBron" to make me think differently. There is no way he can find 5 posters. At least not in the threads I've been reading. I can name 1-2 such posters.

Archx, you have been talking a lot about all these people that are crazy, but for once I would like to know who exactly are you talking about. I want to understand which statements exactly you consider to be crazy. Because if you don't specify, then I can't say whether I agree with you or not. My guess is that I don't agree with you, because I can't name 5 posters that would've been posting crazy things you mention. But I will only know once you clarify and post examples of posts that you consider totally unreasonable.

There was no point in Lebron's career where he was average in my opinion. Even as a rookie he played really good. But anyway, i am not talking only about this thread but in all threads in general. For the past 2 months people were crowning Luka like he was the next Jesus Christ and that angered a lot of his supporters who started hating him just because of maniac fans. When he was drafted things stayed the same... "omg will be better than Dirk, we drafted next HOF etc etc etc... " I am talking about those kind of statements, even on reddit, youtube. But i am way too lazy to look them up. Shouldn't be hard to find them anyway since there were countless topics of him on realgm alone.

[JPF]

Depends. LeBron at what age?

The way I understand "like LeBron" is simply - LeBron. Average LeBron. There is no "rookie LeBron" or "prime LeBron" or "current "LeBron" to make me think differently. There is no way he can find 5 posters. At least not in the threads I've been reading. I can name 1-2 such posters.

Archx, you have been talking a lot about all these people that are crazy, but for once I would like to know who exactly are you talking about. I want to understand which statements exactly you consider to be crazy. Because if you don't specify, then I can't say whether I agree with you or not. My guess is that I don't agree with you, because I can't name 5 posters that would've been posting crazy things you mention. But I will only know once you clarify and post examples of posts that you consider totally unreasonable.

There was no point in Lebron's career where he was average in my opinion. Even as a rookie he played really good. But anyway, i am not talking only about this thread but in all threads in general. For the past 2 months people were crowning Luka like he was the next Jesus Christ and that angered a lot of his supporters who started hating him just because of maniac fans. When he was drafted things stayed the same... "omg will be better than Dirk, we drafted next HOF etc etc etc... " I am talking about those kind of statements, even on reddit, youtube. But i am way too lazy to look them up. Shouldn't be hard to find them anyway since there were countless topics of him on realgm alone.

Such comments happen for a lot of players and when you've got 3 threads with 300 or 400+ pages alltogether on this forum about a prospect, it's bound to happen 10 posters out of 100s will eventualy compare him to some HOFer, exaggerate etc. Nothing different as with other highly rated picks.
In general I think his deficiencies were nitpicked a lot here and I personaly consider vast majority of fans was trying to look at Dončič's negatives as well as positives.
If someone believes that just because he has no clue about an individual european prospects and that should supposedly make everyone else ineligible to comment about him as well (like it was the case with Porzingis), let alone believe Dončič should likely become one of the better players coming out of europe, definately not my problem.

[Archx]

Such comments happen for a lot of players and when you've got 3 threads with 300 or 400+ pages alltogether on this forum about a prospect, it's bound to happen 10 posters out of 100s will eventualy compare him to some HOFer, exaggerate etc. Nothing different as with other highly rated picks.
In general I think his deficiencies were nitpicked a lot here and I personaly consider vast majority of fans was trying to look at Dončič's negatives as well as positives.
If someone believes that just because he has no clue about an individual european prospects and that should supposedly make everyone else ineligible to comment about him as well (like it was the case with Porzingis), let alone believe Dončič should likely become one of the better players coming out of europe, definately not my problem.

Yes that is true but problem is when people start to defend their own favorite player in unrealistic manners. I always defended him objectively. I watched every game since he played for our team and i am very well aware of his flaws and struggles. But some went really overboard and crowning him the next sure thing, the next superstar or someone who will bring Mavs championship. And that kind of thinking is infested in peoples minds. There is no middle ground anymore, i can hardly see someone say. well if he doesn't turn out to be like Dirk, i hope he is at least a good role player 15-5-5 kind of guy (and those numbers are already really good) . There is no such thing anymore, it's either superstar or bust. And it pisses me off because he can quickly go from national pride to national embarrassment.

[J_T]

Depends. LeBron at what age?

The way I understand "like LeBron" is simply - LeBron. Average LeBron. There is no "rookie LeBron" or "prime LeBron" or "current "LeBron" to make me think differently. There is no way he can find 5 posters. At least not in the threads I've been reading. I can name 1-2 such posters.

Archx, you have been talking a lot about all these people that are crazy, but for once I would like to know who exactly are you talking about. I want to understand which statements exactly you consider to be crazy. Because if you don't specify, then I can't say whether I agree with you or not. My guess is that I don't agree with you, because I can't name 5 posters that would've been posting crazy things you mention. But I will only know once you clarify and post examples of posts that you consider totally unreasonable.

There was no point in Lebron's career where he was average in my opinion.

Average LeBron is not LeBron at level of an average NBA player. Average LeBron is whatever is average for LeBron James. At this point that would be 27.2 PPG 7.4 RPG 7.2 APG.

For the past 2 months people were crowning Luka like he was the next Jesus Christ and that angered a lot of his supporters who started hating him just because of maniac fans. When he was drafted things stayed the same... "omg will be better than Dirk, we drafted next HOF etc etc etc... " I am talking about those kind of statements, even on reddit, youtube. But i am way too lazy to look them up. Shouldn't be hard to find them anyway since there were countless topics of him on realgm alone.

Again, I think you are exaggerating. I don't think such statements very said much and I would be very surprised if someone actually ever said that Doncic will be better than Dirk. Show me at least that quote, please. You say reddit, YT... well there are many crazy statements there, but I don't think we are supposed to take statements made by 11-year old kids seriously enough to generalize how crazy and unrealistic Doncic fans are. I think that expectation around here about Doncic is very realistic, which is to be expected when you have a large number of people sharing their opinion. Some people are higher on him than others, which is also ok, nothing wrong with that. I still think that you are just afraid of being disappointed. But that doesn't mean that everyone who is more optimistic is just blind and unrealistic.

[wolfram]

When you never watched a game of the player and you compare him with Dirk. This kind of ignorance I don't understand. Probably they just need to talk about something so they just talk what they are familiar with.

Watch on YouTube

[Archx]

When you never watched a game of the player and you compare him with Dirk. This kind of ignorance I don't understand. Probably they just need to talk about something so they just talk what they are familiar with.

Watch on YouTube

I have no clue how these two have any credibility, biggest 2 clowns on TV... And not in just this video, they are always off with their analysis.

[Johnny Firpo]

I don't think the hype was even big with Luka. In his threads, the same 8-10 guys argued for literally years. Now all of a sudden people coming out of the woodwork to say he will have to do this and that, or else he will fail. I tell you why this is, not because we hype Luka more than other top prospects, but because he is European. A lot of American fans can't/don't want to wrap their head around how a European white guy can be a really good, cerebral player, who experts project to do well, because it's almost a consensus that his floor is high. And these haters, or however you want to call them, jump on every post now that he's been drafted because they don't want him to succeed simply because he is European. That is my opinion and there is tons of evidence for it on these forums.

[daoneandonly]

Clearly, I'm pulling for Luka, hoping he can deliver an exciting and fun basketball season for us mavs fans

[Mirotic12]

Finley was measured at 6'5 3/4" without shoes. He's likely shrunk slightly with age but not considerably. So 6'7" with shoes. If you look at his shoulders and where they line up plus his head, he's clearly slightly taller than Doncic. So at best, WITH shoes, Doncic is 6'7". The notion he was 6'8" was always an embellishment

Here is a photo... Doncic is inch or two taller than Finley

no. Finley's chin, shoulders, eyes and base of his neck are clearly still north of Doncic's by close to an inch. Draw a straight line from the eyes, nose, chin, etc across and Finley's are 100% higher than Doncic's. You must be counting Doncic's hair lol Not to mention he's wearing dress shoes with higher heels then Finley's low top dockers. Why do people ignore irrefutable visual evidence? How could anyone think Doncic is "inch or two taller than Finley" based on this picture

Hey man, please remember to use the green font next time.

I don't think the hype was even big with Luka. In his threads, the same 8-10 guys argued for literally years. Now all of a sudden people coming out of the woodwork to say he will have to do this and that, or else he will fail. I tell you why this is, not because we hype Luka more than other top prospects, but because he is European. A lot of American fans can't/don't want to wrap their head around how a European white guy can be a really good, cerebral player, who experts project to do well, because it's almost a consensus that his floor is high. And these haters, or however you want to call them, jump on every post now that he's been drafted because they don't want him to succeed simply because he is European. That is my opinion and there is tons of evidence for it on these forums.

I agree, and frankly it wreaks of xenophobia and nationalism, and it definitely looks like it's somewhat racially motivated also. You also see the same thing with some US sports media and so-called "analysts" (like former NBA and NCAA players) - that just get all totally bent out of shape at even the notion of a white European player being a top 3-5 draft pick.

[Johnny Firpo]

Clearly, I'm pulling for Luka, hoping he can deliver an exciting and fun basketball season for us mavs fans

He will, you'll be happy to be proven wrong, he has a very high floor.

[bondom34]

Porzingis was 19 his last Euro season. So was Doncic. Porzingis put up worse by a large margin, and look what he is now. Maybe lobs to DJ this year, Mavs are high on the league pass list.

[tomzor]

i never understood how scouts analys a players potential

like blake griffin, john wall, derrick favors, micheal beasley, andrew wiggins has a rating of 10 in potential on nbadraft.net. but from the looks of previous drafts its the players drafted late and with lower potential like curry, harden, kawhi, klay, devin booker, westbrook, cousins, nash, dirk who turns out to have the more potential

luka has things he could improve upon like his shooting, body, defense

in comparison to a cant miss when healthy ”high” potential prospect in this years draft like micheal porter jr who is tall, long and somewhat athletic(good vertical but kinda slow) has a very suspect handle

both players has flaws but i dont know how scouts can really say porter has that much more potential