Mirotic12 wrote: So wait a minute.....De Colo actually did say that Doncic is the most athletic player in EuroLeague history? Did he say that or not?
OMG, I thought it was clear enough. Trolling again. But I will answer anyway. DE COLO SAID THAT DONCIC WAS THE BEST PLAYER THAT AGE HE WAS EVER WATCHED IN EUROPE AND HIGHLIGHTED HIS PHYSICAL CONDITIONS.
Mirotic12 wrote: Theo Papalolukas = a point forward that was called a "point guard" or even "pure point guard"
OMG, (I think to reply to your posts I should start with that expression) Papaloukas not a PG? He has been one of best pure PGs in the game. When he was on the court both teams ended up playing the tempo that favored his interests. He completely controlled the tempo. He was a great passer and poor shooter with poor and slow shooting motion. not athletic enough to be a scorer in any position. But he was an awesome pure PG. That's what a coach wants, a guy that is his alter ego on the court. And Papaloukas was probably the best ever in European basketball to do that.
Mirotic12 wrote: Same thing happens in the NBA in some cases also, even in some cases of very famous "point guards" that were more like 2 or 3 positions. That's fine, but it's a way of how the league wants to market and promote players, not an issue of practicality and how they actually play on the court.
it is not about promoting, it is about egos. Most NBA players have a huge ego. They say: I can do more, I want the ball more. I can create. I am an artist. The perfect example is Jimmy Butler. Last year he started saying he wanted the ball more. He wanted to be kind of a PG. I am sorry Jimmy, you can't create ****. You can score and you are an awesome defender, but that's it. And that's enough, you are already a star.
Mirotic12 wrote: Doncic and Llull are not point guards. Llull could probably be considered a shoot first, score first point guard in some NBA teams, but even then, he just looks to score and shoot. Some people call James Harden a point guard...it does not mean he actually is one, and that's about the same case with Llull.
Again, Llull is 3rd in points and 5th in assists in the Euroleague. He is a modern PG. Forget about the idea of the old PGs. It is not like that anymore, nowadays, PGs have to do everything, even to help below the boards. Anyway, Llull played as a PG since Laso got to the team. BTW Laso is the all time leader in assists of the ACB, so he knows what a pure PG is, and he was the one that thought Llull could fit into the PG position. He was right obviously. Take a look of the numbers.
Mirotic12 wrote: I will break it down further for you. Marko Jaric and Tomas Satoransky - always called point guards in Europe, and even often in the NBA. Jaric played at PG a lot in NBA. Reality is neither of them was an actual point guard.
Let me make another comparison. Nick Collison, Chris Andersen. Two solid players that are having good careers in the NBA, even better than Jaric and Satoranski's ones. They are PF, 6'10",... Like Anthony Davis. That's what you are doing. Comparing two solid untalented players with one of the best talents ever. We don't know how far Doncic is going to get, but we can't deny that he is special, that he is something unseen in Europe. Doncic can be a real PG and he already is because he has the talent to do so. And his biggest talent is inside his head, the most important quality for a PG. He always knows what to do. That's why he dished 8 assist with no turnovers while being 17 y.o. at Euroleague level, and that's money for a PG. That's why he got 32 PIR taking just 5 shots. You are prejudging him without knowing enough of him. You see a big body and you think he is just another Jaric. Let me give you an advice, sit down, watch all Doncic games and enjoy. He is making history.
