zaz102 wrote:Negrodamus wrote:zaz102 wrote:The closes comp is Tatum. His AST% was 12.4, his FTR was .381, his FT% was .849. Obviously, these numbers are better than Ace's, but close enough that if you were Bailey-ver, that you could buy in if you wanted to (i.e. blame public high school/Rutgers and point to hos FT% of being about .900.
Otherwise, very similar shooting, STOCKs, and rebounding numbers.
Yea, I just don’t think those are close enough for me. I was a huge Tatum guy but quite down on Bailey. If he hit some of those marker or was just fringe missing them, I’d be forgiving, but he is clearly below each marker.
The other side of the coin is who at 3 do you feel more strongly about or who is willing to trade something that makes a trade back/out worth it.
Would love someone who hits 10+ AST%, >.300 FTr, >75% FT (Disclaimer: I usually evaluate more than just these numbers but I do feel they are good markers)
Recent wing(ish) all stars college stats (AST%, FTr, FT) the year they went to the draft:
All Three hit mark:
Cade Cunningham: 20.4 AST%, .390 FTr, 85% FT
Jalen Williams: 22.6 AST%, .330 FTr, 81% FT
Jalen Brunson: 26.6 AST%, .313 FTr, 80% FT
Tyrese Maxey: 18.7 AST%, .322 FTr, 83% FT
Ant Edwards: 17.9 AST%, .339 FTr, 77% FT
Shai Gilgeous: 28.8 AST%, .464 FTr, 82% FT
Darius Garland*: 25.7 AST%, .296 FTr, 75% FT (I'll give it to him for being close with FTr)
Ja Morant: 51.8 AST%, .512 FTr, 81% FT
Fred VanVleet: 39.6 AST%, .393 FTr, 82% FT
Trae Young: 48.6 AST%, .443, 86% FT
Jayson Tatum: 12.4 AST%, .381 FTr, 85% FT
Hit 2 of the marks:
Brandon Ingram: 11.4 AST%, .351 FTr, 68% FT
Ben Simmons: 27.4 AST%, .769 FTr, 67% FT
Devin Booker: 10.9 AST%, .223 FTr, 83% FT
Donovan Mitchell: 16.0 AST%, .243 FTr, 81% FT
Pascal Siakam: 12.1 AST%, .396 FTr, 68% FT
Zion Williamson: 14.9 AST%, .467, 64% FT
Julius Randle: 10 AST%, .739 FTr, 70% FT
Jaylen Brown: 15.3 AST%, .574 FTr, 65% FT
Andrew Wiggins: 9.2 AST%, .538 FTr, 78% FT
Dejounte Murray: 25.6 AST%, .345 FTr, 66% FT
De’Aaron Fox: 28.6 AST%, .474 FTr, 74% FT
Tyrese Haliburton: 35.3 AST%, .184 FTr, 82% FT
Tyler Herro: 15 AST%, .231 FTr, 94% FT
Paolo Banchero: 17.5 AST%, .366 FTr, 73% FT
Scottie Barnes: 31.6 AST%, .338 FTr, 62% FT
Hit only 1 of the marks:
Zach LaVine: 12.6 AST%, .236 FTr, 69% FT
(*Only 5 games)
This year’s draft
Hit all three:
Cooper Flagg: 26.8 AST%, .429 FTr, 84% FT
Dylan Harper: 27.1 AST%, .419 FTr, 75% FT
VJ Edgecombe: 19.2 AST%, .373 FTr, 78% FT
Jeremiah Fears: 28.6 AST%, .518 FTr, 85% FT
Kon Knueppel: 15.7 AST%, .339 FTr, 91% FT
Kasparas Jaku: 26.0 AST%, .496 FTr, .85% FT
Derik Queen: 11.6 AST%, .546 FTr, 77% FT
Hit 2:
Tre Johnson: 16.5 AST%, .265 FTr, 87% FT
Hit None:
Ace Bailey: 8.3 AST%, .243, 69% FT
Of the "hit all three" crowd, Flagg and Harper are obviously out, Edgecombe and Knueppel aren't really offensive initiators, Fears would be another small guard with McCain and Maxey (but I'd be on board with it). So Kasparas and Queen are the guys that most intrigue me at the moment of the college guys.
Tre Johnson is medium compelling to me, but he is all time bad at defense.
