Cameron Reddish

[GimmeDat]

Cam hype full steam ahead

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God, Rashad Phillips has consistently horrible takes, all the time.

[Goudelock]

Cam hype full steam ahead

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God, Rashad Phillips has consistently horrible takes, all the time.

lmao this Rashad Phillips guy just had one of the worst takes I've ever seen. Randy Moss was scoring 26 touchdowns in his final college season and was probably the best player in college football in 1997, albeit against SoCon competition. If Ja Morant had character concerns, I could see a Moss comparison. Cam Reddish isn't that though.

[King Ken]

Rashad my guy, love him. His hot take on Cam is based on talent and potential more than production and analytics.

For me, I am big on Cam but for the Hawks, Warriors, and Rockets. Clearly not for the Knicks, Bulls and teams who just don't play the style that will hide his weaknesses and show his strengths.

[Stillwater]

My thing is that hes already being punished for his production by being ranked anywhere from 8-13 depending on the mocks. I mean, had he performed to expectations hed probably be the second to third pick in the draft. So if you're in that range its technically not a bad pick because his flaws were already factored in. Bad pick is when you draft him way ahead of his value. So for a team like the Hawks, hes a great pick.

I remember there was this poster who loved him for the Hawks. Well there he is at 8 and at 10 they can still take a shot at Bol Bol if they want.

Having all the skill in the world and not being able to use it as useless as a injured player.
Some solid development orgs might be conned into thinking he has the work ethic to mold into shape, but in reality he is more likely to bust than any other prospect in the 1st round sans maybe Keldon Johnson or Langford if either are picked before 20.
At best he is a decent defender in time that can hit a league average % of threes and spends the majority of his rookie deal at the end of a rotation after the first year.

Where is the evidence that he doesn't have a solid work ethic? For the life of me I can't understand why every post I read in this thread seems like a personal attack on him. Like did he do something to you personally? Your family? Might Cam not workout? Of course, plenty of draft picks done. Might Cam end up as a role player? Of course. Might he figure it out and put it all together? It's a possibility. But please miss me with the being "conned." No one is talking about him being a top 3 pick, he's lower lottery. Precisely where he should be. What's the difference between Stanley Johnson and Justise Winslow or Kris Dunn and Thon Maker and Cam? Some lottery picks don't pan out. Doesn't mean the player is a bad person or a despicable human being.

if he had a solid work ethic given his baseline skillset going into college he would not have been so terrible,there is your evidence.its nothing personal hes just another overhyped long tall shooter with average skill against college level which equates to below avg in the pros.
but you keep on thinking hes gonna find a role worth going in the lottery,when the odds are he is overpaid if he does get picked in the lottery

[Coeur]

Watch the Knicks do Knicks things and draft reddish @3.

[Duke4life831]

Cam hype full steam ahead

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God, Rashad Phillips has consistently horrible takes, all the time.

lmao this Rashad Phillips guy just had one of the worst takes I've ever seen. Randy Moss was scoring 26 touchdowns in his final college season and was probably the best player in college football in 1997, albeit against SoCon competition. If Ja Morant had character concerns, I could see a Moss comparison. Cam Reddish isn't that though.

Haha I was just going to say. Moss at Marshall put up freaking production, to go with freaking athleticism.

Cam put up horrible production and also is limited with his athletic explosion. Two very very different scenarios haha.

[pootbrah]

Reminds me of Wesley Johnson...

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[CoreyVillains]

If your team is lacking talent to the extent that they are picking top-10, you roll the dice on this kid. Taking the safe pick is for teams that are contending.

To me, if a talent lacking team like Cleveland would pass on Reddish based on game tape, or Bol Bol because of injury worries, your just asking to never become relevant. You have to gamble. Cameron is a worthy gamble.

Or you take a safer pick that you’ve concluded has equal or better potential bc you see Reddish as an overrated prospect with real warts to his game. Gambling for the sake of gambling can back fire big time and lead to a loss of what could be a useful asset. Drafting a Hunter over Reddish doesn’t mean you want to be relevant, it means you value smart team building.

[Nazrmohamed]

[quote="Stillwater"][quote="prime1time"][quote="Stillwater"]
Having all the skill in the world and not being able to use it as useless as a injured player.
Some solid development orgs might be conned into thinking he has the work ethic to mold into shape, but in reality he is more likely to bust than any other prospect in the 1st round sans maybe Keldon Johnson or Langford if either are picked before 20.
At best he is a decent defender in time that can hit a league average % of threes and spends the majority of his rookie deal at the end of a rotation after the first year.[/quote]
Where is the evidence that he doesn't have a solid work ethic? For the life of me I can't understand why every post I read in this thread seems like a personal attack on him. Like did he do something to you personally? Your family? Might Cam not workout? Of course, plenty of draft picks done. Might Cam end up as a role player? Of course. Might he figure it out and put it all together? It's a possibility. But please miss me with the being "conned." No one is talking about him being a top 3 pick, he's lower lottery. Precisely where he should be. What's the difference between Stanley Johnson and Justise Winslow or Kris Dunn and Thon Maker and Cam? Some lottery picks don't pan out. Doesn't mean the player is a bad person or a despicable human being.[/quote]
if he had a solid work ethic given his baseline skillset going into college he would not have been so terrible,there is your evidence.its nothing personal hes just another overhyped long tall shooter with average skill against college level which equates to below avg in the pros.
but you keep on thinking hes gonna find a role worth going in the lottery,when the odds are he is overpaid if he does get picked in the lottery[/quote]

It's not that linear bro. And still, I wanna leave room for total failure cuz it can happen to anybody. I've seen lots of way more productive busts through history but still, it isn't that linear. Understand all three players were play initiators in HS and had the ball in thier hands. Reddish was probably the best out of them at shooting the 3 so when the time came to play them together somebody's gotta play off the ball and why not the best shooter. But that dont mean hes a great catch and shoot, wait for 2 guys to play thier game and get the scraps shooter. So I just wanna say that before just saying production = effort you gotta look at circumstances and truth is Reddish was really the only guy asked to change his fortunes role. That's not something that's just easy as a fan wants to make it. We've seen NBA stars lose thier primary scoring role and then you assume they'd just be the second option instead and it just don't happen or worse theres chemistry issues. So why at 18 is it hard to understand.

In any case the kid didnt perform. You are correct to be suspicious. I just don't think at this level its wise to talk in absolutes about just about anybody. You draft based on potential and Reddish hasnt failed to prove he still has potential, in fact I think his potential is near the top.

[Stillwater]

Watch the Knicks do Knicks things and draft reddish @3.

that would make me cry tears of joy

[Stillwater]

Where is the evidence that he doesn't have a solid work ethic? For the life of me I can't understand why every post I read in this thread seems like a personal attack on him. Like did he do something to you personally? Your family? Might Cam not workout? Of course, plenty of draft picks done. Might Cam end up as a role player? Of course. Might he figure it out and put it all together? It's a possibility. But please miss me with the being "conned." No one is talking about him being a top 3 pick, he's lower lottery. Precisely where he should be. What's the difference between Stanley Johnson and Justise Winslow or Kris Dunn and Thon Maker and Cam? Some lottery picks don't pan out. Doesn't mean the player is a bad person or a despicable human being.

if he had a solid work ethic given his baseline skillset going into college he would not have been so terrible,there is your evidence.its nothing personal hes just another overhyped long tall shooter with average skill against college level which equates to below avg in the pros.
but you keep on thinking hes gonna find a role worth going in the lottery,when the odds are he is overpaid if he does get picked in the lottery

It's not that linear bro. And still, I wanna leave room for total failure cuz it can happen to anybody. I've seen lots of way more productive busts through history but still, it isn't that linear. Understand all three players were play initiators in HS and had the ball in thier hands. Reddish was probably the best out of them at shooting the 3 so when the time came to play them together somebody's gotta play off the ball and why not the best shooter. But that dont mean hes a great catch and shoot, wait for 2 guys to play thier game and get the scraps shooter. So I just wanna say that before just saying production = effort you gotta look at circumstances and truth is Reddish was really the only guy asked to change his fortunes role. That's not something that's just easy as a fan wants to make it. We've seen NBA stars lose thier primary scoring role and then you assume they'd just be the second option instead and it just don't happen or worse theres chemistry issues. So why at 18 is it hard to understand.

In any case the kid didnt perform. You are correct to be suspicious. I just don't think at this level its wise to talk in absolutes about just about anybody. You draft based on potential and Reddish hasnt failed to prove he still has potential, in fact I think his potential is near the top.

i get the off ball assignment excuse, but he couldnt do much when he was the ball handler with that negative column finishing ability

[Fat]

Cam will serve lots of crow

[Nazrmohamed]

if he had a solid work ethic given his baseline skillset going into college he would not have been so terrible,there is your evidence.its nothing personal hes just another overhyped long tall shooter with average skill against college level which equates to below avg in the pros.
but you keep on thinking hes gonna find a role worth going in the lottery,when the odds are he is overpaid if he does get picked in the lottery

It's not that linear bro. And still, I wanna leave room for total failure cuz it can happen to anybody. I've seen lots of way more productive busts through history but still, it isn't that linear. Understand all three players were play initiators in HS and had the ball in thier hands. Reddish was probably the best out of them at shooting the 3 so when the time came to play them together somebody's gotta play off the ball and why not the best shooter. But that dont mean hes a great catch and shoot, wait for 2 guys to play thier game and get the scraps shooter. So I just wanna say that before just saying production = effort you gotta look at circumstances and truth is Reddish was really the only guy asked to change his fortunes role. That's not something that's just easy as a fan wants to make it. We've seen NBA stars lose thier primary scoring role and then you assume they'd just be the second option instead and it just don't happen or worse theres chemistry issues. So why at 18 is it hard to understand.

In any case the kid didnt perform. You are correct to be suspicious. I just don't think at this level its wise to talk in absolutes about just about anybody. You draft based on potential and Reddish hasnt failed to prove he still has potential, in fact I think his potential is near the top.

i get the off ball assignment excuse, but he couldnt do much when he was the ball handler with that negative column finishing ability

Yeah, it wasnt pretty. I think we can all agree on that. Real disappointment

[Saints14]

Where is the evidence that he doesn't have a solid work ethic? For the life of me I can't understand why every post I read in this thread seems like a personal attack on him. Like did he do something to you personally? Your family? Might Cam not workout? Of course, plenty of draft picks done. Might Cam end up as a role player? Of course. Might he figure it out and put it all together? It's a possibility. But please miss me with the being "conned." No one is talking about him being a top 3 pick, he's lower lottery. Precisely where he should be. What's the difference between Stanley Johnson and Justise Winslow or Kris Dunn and Thon Maker and Cam? Some lottery picks don't pan out. Doesn't mean the player is a bad person or a despicable human being.

if he had a solid work ethic given his baseline skillset going into college he would not have been so terrible,there is your evidence.its nothing personal hes just another overhyped long tall shooter with average skill against college level which equates to below avg in the pros.
but you keep on thinking hes gonna find a role worth going in the lottery,when the odds are he is overpaid if he does get picked in the lottery

It's not that linear bro. And still, I wanna leave room for total failure cuz it can happen to anybody. I've seen lots of way more productive busts through history but still, it isn't that linear. Understand all three players were play initiators in HS and had the ball in thier hands. Reddish was probably the best out of them at shooting the 3 so when the time came to play them together somebody's gotta play off the ball and why not the best shooter. But that dont mean hes a great catch and shoot, wait for 2 guys to play thier game and get the scraps shooter. So I just wanna say that before just saying production = effort you gotta look at circumstances and truth is Reddish was really the only guy asked to change his fortunes role. That's not something that's just easy as a fan wants to make it. We've seen NBA stars lose thier primary scoring role and then you assume they'd just be the second option instead and it just don't happen or worse theres chemistry issues. So why at 18 is it hard to understand.

In any case the kid didnt perform. You are correct to be suspicious. I just don't think at this level its wise to talk in absolutes about just about anybody. You draft based on potential and Reddish hasnt failed to prove he still has potential, in fact I think his potential is near the top.

I can buy the argument that he wasn’t put in an optimal role to succeed, but if he can’t be an effective 3&D role player in college isn’t that kind of a red flag? Except for the rare rookie wing given an opportunity to run an offense, that’s going to be his role for much of his rookie contract. So unless he really pops as a lead ball-handler, I think he already showed that he doesn’t scale well to being on a more talented team.

This is where the Wiggins comps just scare the crap out of me for Reddish. Wiggins is kinda sorta effective as a go-to scorer, but he’s not good enough in that role to do it on a good team, and he’s even worse as a lower usage role player

[Duke4life831]

if he had a solid work ethic given his baseline skillset going into college he would not have been so terrible,there is your evidence.its nothing personal hes just another overhyped long tall shooter with average skill against college level which equates to below avg in the pros.
but you keep on thinking hes gonna find a role worth going in the lottery,when the odds are he is overpaid if he does get picked in the lottery

It's not that linear bro. And still, I wanna leave room for total failure cuz it can happen to anybody. I've seen lots of way more productive busts through history but still, it isn't that linear. Understand all three players were play initiators in HS and had the ball in thier hands. Reddish was probably the best out of them at shooting the 3 so when the time came to play them together somebody's gotta play off the ball and why not the best shooter. But that dont mean hes a great catch and shoot, wait for 2 guys to play thier game and get the scraps shooter. So I just wanna say that before just saying production = effort you gotta look at circumstances and truth is Reddish was really the only guy asked to change his fortunes role. That's not something that's just easy as a fan wants to make it. We've seen NBA stars lose thier primary scoring role and then you assume they'd just be the second option instead and it just don't happen or worse theres chemistry issues. So why at 18 is it hard to understand.

In any case the kid didnt perform. You are correct to be suspicious. I just don't think at this level its wise to talk in absolutes about just about anybody. You draft based on potential and Reddish hasnt failed to prove he still has potential, in fact I think his potential is near the top.

I can buy the argument that he wasn’t put in an optimal role to succeed, but if he can’t be an effective 3&D role player in college isn’t that kind of a red flag? Except for the rare rookie wing given an opportunity to run an offense, that’s going to be his role for much of his rookie contract. So unless he really pops as a lead ball-handler, I think he already showed that he doesn’t scale well to being on a more talented team.

This is where the Wiggins comps just scare the crap out of me for Reddish. Wiggins is kinda sorta effective as a go-to scorer, but he’s not good enough in that role to do it on a good team, and he’s even worse as a lower usage role player

I can't buy the argument that he wasn't put into an optimal role to succeed. Out of the 3 freshman at Duke, Cam was given the easiest path to succeed. I think Zion was put into the worst situation to succeed.

The initial plan going into the season was for Cam to play more of a point forward role. If you go back to Duke's earlier games, you will see Cam being handed the ball a lot more at the top of the arc and being asked to create more, it didn't work at all. So as the season went on, Cam saw the possibility to create less and less and Zion saw his improve. Also Cam was given a 2nd chance at this when Zion went down in the middle of the season. Cam during that stretch averaged 16ppg on 15.5 shots (35/30/69 shooting split) and 1.5 assists to 3.5 turnovers a game.

So both instances when he was given a chance to create more, he failed miserably. So you would think with his shooting ability and playing alongside 2 guys that love to attack the rim and a guy like Zion that created so much interior gravity which then left Cam shooting so many open 3s, he would exceed in that role. Nope. And for those that think he just didn't get enough attempts being the 3rd guy. In conference play, Cam averaged 14 shots a game, compared to Zion's 12.5. So Cam actually got more shot attempts than Zion in conference play. I honestly don't know what better of a situation Cam could've asked for.

[prime1time]

I still don’t get the hate for Cam. Look at Kawhi’s numbers his freshman year.

[Stillwater]

It's not that linear bro. And still, I wanna leave room for total failure cuz it can happen to anybody. I've seen lots of way more productive busts through history but still, it isn't that linear. Understand all three players were play initiators in HS and had the ball in thier hands. Reddish was probably the best out of them at shooting the 3 so when the time came to play them together somebody's gotta play off the ball and why not the best shooter. But that dont mean hes a great catch and shoot, wait for 2 guys to play thier game and get the scraps shooter. So I just wanna say that before just saying production = effort you gotta look at circumstances and truth is Reddish was really the only guy asked to change his fortunes role. That's not something that's just easy as a fan wants to make it. We've seen NBA stars lose thier primary scoring role and then you assume they'd just be the second option instead and it just don't happen or worse theres chemistry issues. So why at 18 is it hard to understand.

In any case the kid didnt perform. You are correct to be suspicious. I just don't think at this level its wise to talk in absolutes about just about anybody. You draft based on potential and Reddish hasnt failed to prove he still has potential, in fact I think his potential is near the top.

I can buy the argument that he wasn’t put in an optimal role to succeed, but if he can’t be an effective 3&D role player in college isn’t that kind of a red flag? Except for the rare rookie wing given an opportunity to run an offense, that’s going to be his role for much of his rookie contract. So unless he really pops as a lead ball-handler, I think he already showed that he doesn’t scale well to being on a more talented team.

This is where the Wiggins comps just scare the crap out of me for Reddish. Wiggins is kinda sorta effective as a go-to scorer, but he’s not good enough in that role to do it on a good team, and he’s even worse as a lower usage role player

I can't buy the argument that he wasn't put into an optimal role to succeed. Out of the 3 freshman at Duke, Cam was given the easiest path to succeed. I think Zion was put into the worst situation to succeed.

The initial plan going into the season was for Cam to play more of a point forward role. If you go back to Duke's earlier games, you will see Cam being handed the ball a lot more at the top of the arc and being asked to create more, it didn't work at all. So as the season went on, Cam saw the possibility to create less and less and Zion saw his improve. Also Cam was given a 2nd chance at this when Zion went down in the middle of the season. Cam during that stretch averaged 16ppg on 15.5 shots (35/30/69 shooting split) and 1.5 assists to 3.5 turnovers a game.

So both instances when he was given a chance to create more, he failed miserably. So you would think with his shooting ability and playing alongside 2 guys that love to attack the rim and a guy like Zion that created so much interior gravity which then left Cam shooting so many open 3s, he would exceed in that role. Nope. And for those that think he just didn't get enough attempts being the 3rd guy. In conference play, Cam averaged 14 shots a game, compared to Zion's 12.5. So Cam actually got more shot attempts than Zion in conference play. I honestly don't know what better of a situation Cam could've asked for.

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[CP War Hawks]

Reminds me of Wesley Johnson...

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You know what, I don't think Redd will bust that hard, but the similarities are hard to ignore. I was absolutely sold on Wes btw. I have a bet pending with a board member he will not finish top 5 in rookie rankings. I'm taking all comers that would like to wager something.

[Duke4life831]

I still don’t get the hate for Cam. Look at Kawhi’s numbers his freshman year.

Kawhi shot 35% from the field and had a sub 50 TS% while playing alongside 2 other top 3 picks so he got the worst defender on him every game and wide open shots?

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I still don’t get the hate for Cam. Look at Kawhi’s numbers his freshman year.

His PER is like a full 10 points higher than Cam Reddish. Like Reddish is a subaveraged 13.6...kawhi leonard is better than some nba allstars with like 23 PER. I know its not an end all/be all stat but i think its alright at incorporating basic stats/minute. I'm assuming or well simply guessing kawhi had some pretty good defensive stats as well, not sure on reddish.

I find almost invariably when someone says compare this guy to this guy, see? type of argument on realgm, they are missing something.