Scoot Henderson

[babyjax13]

A small guard who can't shoot and doesn't have the athletic profile of a Westbrook, Rose or Ja to overcome it. What are we doing here?

Whats his athletic profile comparable to in your opinion, Big J?

Mike Conley.

This is a silly comp. Conley was fast but he's not strong or vertically explosive like Scoot. This is the silliest thing I've seen posted here in a while, lol

[mattao313]

Whats his athletic profile comparable to in your opinion, Big J?

I think he's a tier below maybe John wall like

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Ok name a PG who is a tier below John Wall please. I'm just very curious how people who are down on Scoot perceive him.

My bad I meant he's like John wall a tier below guys like Westbrook, rose, and morant.

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[JMAC3]

Whats his athletic profile comparable to in your opinion, Big J?

I think he's a tier below maybe John wall like

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Ok name a PG who is a tier below John Wall please. I'm just very curious how people who are down on Scoot perceive him.

There have been plenty of athletic point guards who struggled shooting the ball that did not work out. Scoot would be far from the first.

[Big J]

Whats his athletic profile comparable to in your opinion, Big J?

Mike Conley.

This is a silly comp. Conley was fast but he's not strong or vertically explosive like Scoot. This is the silliest thing I've seen posted here in a while, lol

Scoot looks strong, but all of that muscle is wasted because he doesn't play strong. He settles for a lot of bad mid range 2's, and his shooting at the rim is piss poor even when he does get there.

[Hal14]

I think he's a tier below maybe John wall like

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Ok name a PG who is a tier below John Wall please. I'm just very curious how people who are down on Scoot perceive him.

There have been plenty of athletic point guards who struggled shooting the ball that did not work out. Scoot would be far from the first.

1) There's been plenty of them who did work out. John Wall, Derrick Rose, D'Aaron Fox, Ja Morant, Russell Westbrook, Kemba Walker, etc. Seems like the hit rate is VERY high when these types of guys go in the top 10. How many athletic PG's who were consensus top 3 picks didn't work out in the past decade?

2) Saying that he struggles shooting the ball is a reach. Including the games vs Metro 92, Scoot shot 33% from 3 this season. Considering he played a good chunk of the season at age 18, was playing vs grown men in a league that's a step above NCAA competition, was shooting from the NBA 3 pt line (further away than NCAA line) and has shot around 80% on FT's over the past couple seasons - and also considering he has shot a good % on long 2's and off the dribble jumpers from 2, I'm not worried about the shooting. Oh, also consider he played a good chunk of this season hurt - his numbers would be higher obviously if he was healthy. Oh and also consider that his 3 pt % will likely continue to rise since he showed such a high increase from last season (22% from 3) to this season (33% from 3)

[clyde21]

You are the one who keeps referencing this haha. Nobody else pushing the agenda to go back down this rabbit hole except you. Really feels like you are trolling when you bring it up every post.

Just making sure you won't be pushin that propaganda again, that's when this thread started deteriorating with nonsense

Can you play Scoot with Raul Neto or Scoot with Patty Mills or Scoot with Trae? If not, then functionally he is a small guard. Just like if I were to argue Jalen Duren isn't a center. If you can't play him with James Wiseman then he has to play center.

lol? can you play him next to Jrue Holiday or Anthony Edwards or Dejounte Murray or Steph Curry or Jamal Murray or Markelle Fultz or DeAaron Fox or Bradley Beal?

Right now, I am taking Wemby and Miller over him.

so all this fud and you have him 3rd overall?

You do realize that 95% of stats ever shown have arbitrary cut off points?

yes, all stats are arbitrary and you're cutting yours in a way to try and prop up your takes but that also kinda blew up in your face as I pointed out in my last post.

[clyde21]

Whats his athletic profile comparable to in your opinion, Big J?

Mike Conley.

This is a silly comp. Conley was fast but he's not strong or vertically explosive like Scoot. This is the silliest thing I've seen posted here in a while, lol

just a reminder for the people at who what Mike Conley looked like at 19 vs. what Scoot looks like at 19

[Big J]

Mike Conley.

This is a silly comp. Conley was fast but he's not strong or vertically explosive like Scoot. This is the silliest thing I've seen posted here in a while, lol

just a reminder for the people at who what Mike Conley looked like at 19 vs. what Scoot looks like at 19

PED usage is more common now than back when Conley was 19, so what's your point?

[mattao313]

Mike Conley.

This is a silly comp. Conley was fast but he's not strong or vertically explosive like Scoot. This is the silliest thing I've seen posted here in a while, lol

just a reminder for the people at who what Mike Conley looked like at 19 vs. what Scoot looks like at 19

Who cares? He'd rather shoot mid range jumpers than bully guys on a consistent basis. It's like pointing out Drummond being huge but the guys would rather go up like a 6'2 pg than yam it on guys heads.

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[clyde21]

so now Scoot doesn't play with force either? we're at the point where I'm convinced none of you even watched a second of this dude play. just shut this thread down.

[Big J]

so now Scoot doesn't play with force either? we're at the point where I'm convinced none of you even watched a second of this dude play. just shut this thread down.

Yea, because settling for mid range J's & shooting 40% at the rim is the definition of playing with force.

[babyjax13]

so now Scoot doesn't play with force either? we're at the point where I'm convinced none of you even watched a second of this dude play. just shut this thread down.

Yea, because settling for mid range J's & shooting 40% at the rim is the definition of playing with force.

Link for rim fg%? I'm seeing 60% this season, 55% last season via synergy: https://theswishtheory.com/scouting-reports/scoot-henderson/#long-form-report

and 51% at the rim last year via instat: https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/scoot-henderson-is-an-outlier

Every time I've watched him I thought he looked pretty aggressive at looking for an opening + had a nice ability to go all the way. He should perhaps be a smidge more aggressive and drive on more of those midrange shots, but I have confidence in his ability to get to and finish at the rim (Westbrook for his career is 59.8% at the rim, good seasons around 63%, didn't shoot 60% at the rim till is third season; Rose at his peak had one season of over 60% at the rim).

He does like the midrange a lot, if it doesn't translate efficiently I think that's a legitimate concern, but I don't see how anyone could compare him to Mike Conley as an athlete.

If someone w/a synergy account wanted to show his percentages, that would be nice!

[JMAC3]

so now Scoot doesn't play with force either? we're at the point where I'm convinced none of you even watched a second of this dude play. just shut this thread down.

Yea, because settling for mid range J's & shooting 40% at the rim is the definition of playing with force.

Link for rim fg%? I'm seeing 60% this season, 55% last season via synergy: https://theswishtheory.com/scouting-reports/scoot-henderson/#long-form-report

and 51% at the rim last year via instat: https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/scoot-henderson-is-an-outlier

Every time I've watched him I thought he looked pretty aggressive at looking for an opening + had a nice ability to go all the way. He should perhaps be a smidge more aggressive and drive on more of those midrange shots, but I have confidence in his ability to get to and finish at the rim (Westbrook for his career is 59.8% at the rim, good seasons around 63%, didn't shoot 60% at the rim till is third season; Rose at his peak had one season of over 60% at the rim).

He does like the midrange a lot, if it doesn't translate efficiently I think that's a legitimate concern, but I don't see how anyone could compare him to Mike Conley as an athlete.

If someone w/a synergy account wanted to show his percentages, that would be nice!

Finishing at the rim is more than the percentage you shoot at the rim. Frequency is going to play a large part in the equation.

If someone is only shooting 10% of their shots at the rim, I would expect their fg% at the rim to be higher than someone shooting 30% of their attempts at the rim. They guy shooting 10% of his shots at the rim is only taking the easy ones (fastbreak, wideopen, blown coverages etc) where as the guy attempting more shots at the rim is probably shooting a much larger portion of his shots over actual good defense.

Not saying these exact percentages apply to Scoot, but we already see how much he settles for midrange instead of getting to the rim.

[eminence]

Making Conley your primary athletic profile is silly, and thats from me who strongly sees/made the playstyle connection between the two.

I do have Scoot a little less quick than some of the primary rim attackers mentioned here, but his strength projection is great and he’s still very quick and well balanced.

[JMAC3]

1) There's been plenty of them who did work out. John Wall, Derrick Rose, D'Aaron Fox, Ja Morant, Russell Westbrook, Kemba Walker, etc. Seems like the hit rate is VERY high when these types of guys go in the top 10. How many athletic PG's who were consensus top 3 picks didn't work out in the past decade?

Well since I already stated there has been 1 pg under 6-4 drafted in the top 4 over the last decade. Ja Morant. The answer would be zero.

But the problem is the NBA tends to sniff these guys out before they are drafted and majority of them fall outside the top 3 by draft night.

Austin Rivers was once a star highschool prospect and the #1 player in the country. If he had went the gleague route back then and played 20 games vs grown men and people wrote off his bad shooting % as being 18 vs tough competition he probably would of went higher.

but lets just look at small guards who went top 10 that really didn't work out.
Trey Burke, Emmanuel Mudiay, Dennis Smith Jr, Collin Sexton, Killian Hayes, Suggs

These guys all had hype at different points to go higher than where they ended up going, but then went lower than expected in most cases ala what I think happens to Scoot.

[clyde21]

Finishing at the rim is more than the percentage you shoot at the rim. Frequency is going to play a large part in the equation.

you didn't care about any context when you threw out his efficiency numbers over a 5g sample size now that another poster gives you his finishing metrics all the sudden you're the context guru?

Well since I already stated there has been 1 pg under 6-4 drafted in the top 4 over the last decade. Ja Morant. The answer would be zero.

can you explain the difference between a 6-4 guard with a 6-7 w/s and a 6-2 guard with a 6-10 w/s?

[reanimator]

Trey Burke, Emmanuel Mudiay, Dennis Smith Jr, Collin Sexton, Killian Hayes, Suggs

Mudiay, Hayes, Suggs are not small guards by your initial parameters. It'd just be easier to admit your point about "small" guards not being top 4 worthy wasn't well thought out...

[francilla]

Mike Conley.

This is a silly comp. Conley was fast but he's not strong or vertically explosive like Scoot. This is the silliest thing I've seen posted here in a while, lol

just a reminder for the people at who what Mike Conley looked like at 19 vs. what Scoot looks like at 19

Carrying an excessive amount of muscle isn't a good thing for NBA players because it reduces endurance, quickness, and can exacerbate injuries. Maximizing strength while keeping weight low is the ideal. And Scoot's mature-looking facial features, the water retention in his face, and the permanent 5-o'clock shadow are telltale signs of exogenous testosterone and DHT derivative use at an early age. Every kid I've known who took anabolics before they were fully mature developed these side effects and it always made them look 10 years older.

[Hal14]

1) There's been plenty of them who did work out. John Wall, Derrick Rose, D'Aaron Fox, Ja Morant, Russell Westbrook, Kemba Walker, etc. Seems like the hit rate is VERY high when these types of guys go in the top 10. How many athletic PG's who were consensus top 3 picks didn't work out in the past decade?

Well since I already stated there has been 1 pg under 6-4 drafted in the top 4 over the last decade. Ja Morant. The answer would be zero.

But the problem is the NBA tends to sniff these guys out before they are drafted and majority of them fall outside the top 3 by draft night.

Austin Rivers was once a star highschool prospect and the #1 player in the country. If he had went the gleague route back then and played 20 games vs grown men and people wrote off his bad shooting % as being 18 vs tough competition he probably would of went higher.

but lets just look at small guards who went top 10 that really didn't work out.
Trey Burke, Emmanuel Mudiay, Dennis Smith Jr, Collin Sexton, Killian Hayes, Suggs

These guys all had hype at different points to go higher than where they ended up going, but then went lower than expected in most cases ala what I think happens to Scoot.

Lmao, some of the names this guy just compared to Scoot. Man, I can't even

[Big J]

This is a silly comp. Conley was fast but he's not strong or vertically explosive like Scoot. This is the silliest thing I've seen posted here in a while, lol

just a reminder for the people at who what Mike Conley looked like at 19 vs. what Scoot looks like at 19

Carrying an excessive amount of muscle isn't a good thing for NBA players because it reduces endurance, quickness, and can exacerbate injuries. Maximizing strength while keeping weight low is the ideal. And Scoot's mature-looking facial features, the water retention in his face, and the permanent 5-o'clock shadow are telltale signs of exogenous testosterone and DHT derivative use at an early age. Every kid I've known who took anabolics before they were fully mature developed these side effects and it always made them look 10 years older.

Good points. We're seeing the same thing going on with Zion right now who has a similar build.