Kolkmania wrote:King Ken wrote:SeattleJazzFan wrote:
heh. Marvin Williams - 0.9 blocks per 40. JJJ- 5.5 blks per 40.
Marvin is a pretty good shot blocker for a SF and Marvin wasn't a risk based shot blocker. He mainly was a help side shot blocker and only when needed. That wasn't what he tried to do as a defender in college or the NBA.
JJJ EYBL stats show that these numbers maybe disingenuous and I believe it is. He got a lot of blocks the way I call Josh Smith/Theo Ratliff blocks when I watch the games. These are blocks where it's mostly weakside or contesting as much as possible due to a lack of strength which is shown in his Foul rate. These are harder in the NBA as offensive players are more adapt to avoid blocks while scoring and they are also more skilled and crafty and will go into your body to draw a foul. These types of shot blockers are dangerous for a personnel because you can't rely on their shot blocking skills. This is far from a Rudy Gobert or Bamba or Mutombo type of shot blocker. This is more of a Kenyon Martin type but worse as Martin was strong core wise and only went for weakside or helpside attempts. Martin was a sound post defender at PF and would bang and avoid risky shot block attempts which I've seen a lot of in JJJ's tape.
Since when is a high foul rate an indicator of lack of strength? David Robinson PF/40 as a freshman: 8.72, Dikembe Mutombo as a freshman: 6.3, Joel Embiid: 8.5 and plenty of other examples of guys who turned out to be strong rim protectors who had foul issues in the early stages of their careers.
I'm not old enough to judge the Marvin Williams comparison, but the difference between a 1.4 BLK% and a 14.3 BLK% is rather gigantic. Not sure why it's a bad thing if a player blocks a lot coming from weakside help, isn't that what you want from a rim protecting center?
If anything Jaren Jackson might be the ideal type of rim protector in the NBA, long enough to contest shots, but also mobile to have value on the perimeter. Mohammed Bamba might struggle with the latter imo. Might be worth noting that Bamba is actually lighter than Jaren Jackson, regarding your comment on handling physicality of the NBA.
Embiid is not good example. Hes an anomaly and his gametape was superior in terms of ability. Not mention he had a growth spurt.
D rob and Deke didnt leave as freshman so mentioning it is highly foolish. Deke literally never played Basketball before Georgetown, Embiid was only in his 3rd year of basketball and D Rob literally was 5'11 just a season earlier. Foolish comparisons as Jaren been playing since early childhood.
Bamba has much more length and he jumps much higher. He also has a stronger upper body and base. His issue is his weak legs in contrast and his built is similar to Giannis as a rookie. He is just taller and longer. Not sure how that would work long term at center. Gobert is built similar to Tyson Chandler. I have my doubts on Bamba post defensive potential.
Marvin comparison is more so based on their similar body types, coordination, personal mindset, body control, core strength, mobility, run/jump prowess, etc. He plays like Theo Ratliff defensively.
JJJ wont suck but if you are expecting a franchise player, be prepared to be disappointed. High level role player is a clear projectable goal.
