2020 NBA Draft II

Post #381 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:44 pm

Coeur · Post #382 » by **Coeur** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:13 am

I can’t even keep Cassius Stanley at 9-10. This is 3 inches taller and a year ahead Russ Westbrook. I’m a HUGE Nico Mannion fan. But I still can’t understand Nico, Obi, RJ Hampton tier being above CS.

Tier 1: wiseman and Edwards

Tier 2: Deni, ball, O O

Tier 3: Cassius, Obi, RJ Hampton

#9: Nico Mannion, maxey

Coeur · Post #383 » by **Coeur** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:17 am

Splash Cousin Deni

Don’t let the warriors “losing” wiseman not prove they still win it at 3 or maybe 4. Deni on the warriors would be sick

Coeur · Post #384 » by **Coeur** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:28 am

Don’t send Deni to NY

Here’s this years best for NBA “lottery”

1 Wizards : wiseman

2: Hawks or Pelicans: Edwards

3: warriors: Deni

4: Knicks or kings: Obi

Would love to see O O and Cassius go to good teams.

Nico Mannion is most interesting to see which team takes him. ball is a stud. Getting him 3-6 is a huge steal. I hate saying I almost hope he falls to a better team too. Imagine him going 9-12 to the Kings: people would want him to whine and cry but he’d be perfect with the Kong’s and Bogdan and the lefty. That’s a squad. If you get something out of bagley??

getrichordie · Post #385 » by **getrichordie** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:44 am

I'm still not understanding what O O does better than Stewart. They bring the same skill set, but Isaiah is stronger and longer, in my opinion. He has great hands too. They both do. I also like Stewart's motor better than O O's. He's the better free throw shooter too.

mg · Post #386 » by mg » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:49 pm

Who would be the best pick for the Cavs? They are obviously starving for any type of length/athleticism on the wing. Maybe this is a year to draft for fit?

getrichordie · Post #387 » by **getrichordie** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:59 pm

mg wrote:Who would be the best pick for the Cavs? They are obviously starving for any type of length/athleticism on the wing. Maybe this is a year to draft for fit?

With Love likely out the door and Drummond with only a year left and Zizic and Thompson gone, I’d take Wiseman if he’s available.

If Wiseman is gone and Edwards or Avdija is available, they make a lot of sense.

Post #388 » by **Marcus** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:19 pm

getrichordie wrote:I'm still not understanding what O O does better than Stewart. They bring the same skill set, but Isaiah is stronger and longer, in my opinion. He has great hands too. They both do. I also like Stewart's motor better than O O's. He's the better free throw shooter too.

Don't see Stewart with the same defensive potential as Okongwu. Doesn't look mobile enough to defend in space the same way I know it's hard to see with the zone they ran at Washington but Isaiah recovery didn't look that impressive to me. Okongwu offensive potential seems higher to me as well. Better roller, better above the rim, good touch. Both could be pick and pop guys and neither post game is world beating right now but O's first step on the face up is quick as is his dropstep and he's a wiz off ball with his reads. In terms of bigman basics there might now be a ton separating but the gap in ceiling is fairly high IMO. Stewie is likely this guy, solid starter/rotation big. I think Okongwu has more in the bag and is scratching the surface of what he could eventually be.

Post #389 » by **Marcus** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:21 pm

getrichordie wrote:
mg wrote:Who would be the best pick for the Cavs? They are obviously starving for any type of length/athleticism on the wing. Maybe this is a year to draft for fit?

With Love likely out the door and Drummond with only a year left and Zizic and Thompson gone, I’d take Wiseman if he’s available.

If Wiseman is gone and Edwards or Avdija is available, they make a lot of sense.

You don't think adding Antman creates a logjam? Or do you think they move Bull, DG, or KPJ to give Ant room to flourish?

mg · Post #390 » by mg » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:05 pm

^No I don't think the Cavs take Edwards. It would create a huge logjam esp with Sexton and Porter Jr playing the position. I mean if he was the clear cut consensus #1 guy of course but I don't see him as that type. Green or Okoro might be the best fits on paper but I don't think either one is a top 5 talent even in this weaker draft. Haliburton and Hayes might be good fits as bigger distributing guards that also play defense but taking a PG in the lottery again might raise some eyebrows. They did bring in Exum to possibly play that role but he will never stay healthy.

We might be down to Avdija, Okongwu and possibly Wiseman? I think they might prefer someone that can get out on the perimeter to play some defense esp with all the small scoring guards already on the roster. Per the wiretap they have already extensively scouted Deni and OO.

clyde21 · Post #391 » by **clyde21** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:16 pm

Cavs should take Obi

Post #392 » by **Marcus** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:17 pm

clyde21 wrote:Cavs should take Obi

Was thinking the same with KLove likely gone

getrichordie · Post #393 » by **getrichordie** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:48 pm

Marcus wrote:
getrichordie wrote:I'm still not understanding what O O does better than Stewart. They bring the same skill set, but Isaiah is stronger and longer, in my opinion. He has great hands too. They both do. I also like Stewart's motor better than O O's. He's the better free throw shooter too.

Don't see Stewart with the same defensive potential as Okongwu. Doesn't look mobile enough to defend in space the same way I know it's hard to see with the zone they ran at Washington but Isaiah recovery didn't look that impressive to me. Okongwu offensive potential seems higher to me as well. Better roller, better above the rim, good touch. Both could be pick and pop guys and neither post game is world beating right now but O's first step on the face up is quick as is his dropstep and he's a wiz off ball with his reads. In terms of bigman basics there might now be a ton separating but the gap in ceiling is fairly high IMO. Stewie is likely this guy, solid starter/rotation big. I think Okongwu has more in the bag and is scratching the surface of what he could eventually be.

See, I would disagree. I think O-O has had more space to operate with the better guard play in Arizona where as Stewart has been the go to guy. He doesn’t have a Mannion or a Green to take pressure off of him. He literally has to battle 2 guys on most of his possessions and I feel like he has flashed more of a mid-range game than O-O.

I think there’s a reason why Stewart was the #2 prospect coming out of high school and O-O was #19. I personally don’t think O-O has done enough to significantly separate him from Stewart.

Honestly shocked that you say that Stewart doesn’t look mobile enough. He’s just as mobile if not more mobile than O-O, in my mind.

Post #394 » by **Marcus** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:54 pm

getrichordie wrote:
Marcus wrote:
getrichordie wrote:I'm still not understanding what O O does better than Stewart. They bring the same skill set, but Isaiah is stronger and longer, in my opinion. He has great hands too. They both do. I also like Stewart's motor better than O O's. He's the better free throw shooter too.

Don't see Stewart with the same defensive potential as Okongwu. Doesn't look mobile enough to defend in space the same way I know it's hard to see with the zone they ran at Washington but Isaiah recovery didn't look that impressive to me. Okongwu offensive potential seems higher to me as well. Better roller, better above the rim, good touch. Both could be pick and pop guys and neither post game is world beating right now but O's first step on the face up is quick as is his dropstep and he's a wiz off ball with his reads. In terms of bigman basics there might now be a ton separating but the gap in ceiling is fairly high IMO. Stewie is likely this guy, solid starter/rotation big. I think Okongwu has more in the bag and is scratching the surface of what he could eventually be.

See, I would disagree. I think O-O has had more space to operate with the better guard play in Arizona where as Stewart has been the go to guy. He doesn’t have a Mannion or a Green to take pressure off of him. He literally has to battle 2 guys on most of his possessions and I feel like he has flashed more of a mid-range game than O-O.

I think there’s a reason why Stewart was the #2 prospect coming out of high school and O-O was #19. I personally don’t think O-O has done enough to significantly separate him from Stewart.

Honestly shocked that you say that Stewart doesn’t look mobile enough. He’s just as mobile if not more mobile than O-O, in my mind.

Not sure we're talking about the same prospect anymore. I thought you were referring to Okongwu from USC.

getrichordie · Post #395 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:07 am

Marcus wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Don't see Stewart with the same defensive potential as Okongwu. Doesn't look mobile enough to defend in space the same way I know it's hard to see with the zone they ran at Washington but Isaiah recovery didn't look that impressive to me. Okongwu offensive potential seems higher to me as well. Better roller, better above the rim, good touch. Both could be pick and pop guys and neither post game is world beating right now but O's first step on the face up is quick as is his dropstep and he's a wiz off ball with his reads. In terms of bigman basics there might now be a ton separating but the gap in ceiling is fairly high IMO. Stewie is likely this guy, solid starter/rotation big. I think Okongwu has more in the bag and is scratching the surface of what he could eventually be.

See, I would disagree. I think O-O has had more space to operate with the better guard play in Arizona where as Stewart has been the go to guy. He doesn’t have a Mannion or a Green to take pressure off of him. He literally has to battle 2 guys on most of his possessions and I feel like he has flashed more of a mid-range game than O-O.

I think there’s a reason why Stewart was the #2 prospect coming out of high school and O-O was #19. I personally don’t think O-O has done enough to significantly separate him from Stewart.

Honestly shocked that you say that Stewart doesn’t look mobile enough. He’s just as mobile if not more mobile than O-O, in my mind.

Not sure we're talking about the same prospect anymore. I thought you were referring to Okongwu from USC.

What leads you to believe that? I am talking about Okungwu.

Post #396 » by **Marcus** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:04 am

getrichordie wrote:
Marcus wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
See, I would disagree. I think O-O has had more space to operate with the better guard play in Arizona where as Stewart has been the go to guy. He doesn’t have a Mannion or a Green to take pressure off of him. He literally has to battle 2 guys on most of his possessions and I feel like he has flashed more of a mid-range game than O-O.

I think there’s a reason why Stewart was the #2 prospect coming out of high school and O-O was #19. I personally don’t think O-O has done enough to significantly separate him from Stewart.

Honestly shocked that you say that Stewart doesn’t look mobile enough. He’s just as mobile if not more mobile than O-O, in my mind.

Not sure we're talking about the same prospect anymore. I thought you were referring to Okongwu from USC.

What leads you to believe that? I am talking about Okungwu.

Because as I mentioned he plays at USC you just said he had better guard play around him compared to Stewart and used Nico Mannion and Josh Green as your reasoning. They go to a whole different school sir. Arizona's big man is Zeke Nnaji. Different prospect. Only pro prospect around Okongwu is Isaiah Mobley and he likely doesn't become that until season with baby bro.

getrichordie · Post #397 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:29 am

Marcus wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Not sure we're talking about the same prospect anymore. I thought you were referring to Okongwu from USC.

What leads you to believe that? I am talking about Okungwu.

Because as I mentioned he plays at USC you just said he had better guard play around him compared to Stewart and used Nico Mannion and Josh Green as your reasoning. They go to a whole different school sir. Arizona's big man is Zeke Nnaji. Different prospect. Only pro prospect around Okongwu is Isaiah Mobley and he likely doesn't become that until season with baby bro.

Ah, ****. I get USC and Arizona mixed up all the time. My bad. I had a brain fart. Ixnay on the Green/Mannion line of reasoning, lol. It's been a long ass week.

Post #398 » by **Marcus** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:35 am

getrichordie wrote:
Marcus wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
What leads you to believe that? I am talking about Okungwu.

Because as I mentioned he plays at USC you just said he had better guard play around him compared to Stewart and used Nico Mannion and Josh Green as your reasoning. They go to a whole different school sir. Arizona's big man is Zeke Nnaji. Different prospect. Only pro prospect around Okongwu is Isaiah Mobley and he likely doesn't become that until season with baby bro.

Ah, ****. I get USC and Arizona mixed up all the time. My bad. I had a brain fart. Ixnay on the Green/Mannion line of reasoning, lol. It's been a long ass week.

All good bro. We all going through it right now lol.

HeadtopChunes · Post #399 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:53 am

Who’s a better prospect Devin Vasell or Mikal Bridges and why ?

pcbothwel · Post #400 » by **pcbothwel** » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:43 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:Who’s a better prospect Devin Vasell or Mikal Bridges and why ?

Great question. This is my exact Comp for Vassell.
I think Vassell has a slightly higher upside because of his defensive tools and attitude. I think Mikal is a naturally better shooter, but Vassell is a slighly better athlete and loves to defend.

Vassells ability to be a high level defender probably puts him SLIGHTLY above Mikal as a prospect.
But its really a coin flip.
Him and Tyler Bey are going to be interesting to watch as both appear to seamlessly transition to a rotational player on a contender.