Paolo Banchero

[DroseReturnChi]

Y’all are arguing with two trolls who are just trying to get a rise lol.

said the same crap abt bagley. what happened? i dont like to call guys busts but there are few prospects i hate and banchero is one of them. this forum is abt talking objectively no need to sugar coat to get ups.

[NO-KG-AI]

#5th overall pick on an NBA stage vs #1 overall pick.

#1 overall pick on a college stage vs a second rounder. Two totally different levels of basketball and expectations. Liddell is also at a huge overall size/length disadvantage while Hezonja isn't.

Hezonja busted out of the league and could never adapt (I know because my team drafted him) and Lebron is an all time great who will play till he falls apart. Two totally different levels of basketball. Point being, mediocre players can make good plays on even great players - it doesn’t actually mean a thing. What point were you even trying to make?

He was drafted #5 overall for a reason, because he has the talent to make that play.

Well, Liddell was taken with the same pick as Jokic

I know it's trolling, but would you be willing to bet that EJ Liddell never gets a stop or blocks the shot of an all NBA or better player?

[SelfishPlayer]

Hezonja busted out of the league and could never adapt (I know because my team drafted him) and Lebron is an all time great who will play till he falls apart. Two totally different levels of basketball. Point being, mediocre players can make good plays on even great players - it doesn’t actually mean a thing. What point were you even trying to make?

He was drafted #5 overall for a reason, because he has the talent to make that play.

Well, Liddell was taken with the same pick as Jokic

I know it's trolling, but would you be willing to bet that EJ Liddell never gets a stop or blocks the shot of an all NBA or better player?

Liddell first needs to earn a single NBA minute.

[FrightCoward]

He was drafted #5 overall for a reason, because he has the talent to make that play.

Well, Liddell was taken with the same pick as Jokic

I know it's trolling, but would you be willing to bet that EJ Liddell never gets a stop or blocks the shot of an all NBA or better player?

Liddell first needs to earn a single NBA minute.

Even if he never plays a single minute in the NBA, it’s still idiotic logic. Guarantee you Shaq, David Robinson, Hakeem, or any hall of fame big who played college ball at some point in their careers got blocked by a stiff who didn’t even make the league, lol. It’s just dumb, pure and simple.

[bucknut]

So if we are talking about a 4 who has bad defense why are we not talking about Nikola Jovic ....its pretty obvious to me Banchero's ceiling is limited. Jovic has better footwork on offense , better handles, better playmaking ability, jaysum tatum type moves. Both have bad defense.

Jabari Parker feels like a perfect comp ,- he's gonna get you stats I have no question and Parker did as well before his leg injury. He's not gonna give you the boards of a randle though

But how many 4s can you find in the league that don't get you stats but help you win by doing the little things like defense, steals, blocks, etc - there is a surplus of 4s for role players for that position.

I could see Banchero stat wise being a good scorer but I' don't know if he's going to be as good for winning as guys with lesser stats drafted later. A player like Banchero, if you don't take him top 4, you almost don't even take him top 10 because its empty stats - argument could be made you just never draft him till the second round and that' s knowing he can give you 20 ppg

[K_chile22]

So if we are talking about a 4 who has bad defense why are we not talking about Nikola Jovic ....its pretty obvious to me Banchero's ceiling is limited. Jovic has better footwork on offense , better handles, better playmaking ability, jaysum tatum type moves. Both have bad defense.

Jabari Parker feels like a perfect comp ,- he's gonna get you stats I have no question and Parker did as well before his leg injury. He's not gonna give you the boards of a randle though

But how many 4s can you find in the league that don't get you stats but help you win by doing the little things like defense, steals, blocks, etc - there is a surplus of 4s for role players for that position.

I could see Banchero stat wise being a good scorer but I' don't know if he's going to be as good for winning as guys with lesser stats drafted later. A player like Banchero, if you don't take him top 4, you almost don't even take him top 10 because its empty stats - argument could be made you just never draft him till the second round and that' s knowing he can give you 20 ppg

I strongly disagree that jovic is better at any of that stuff on offense. He's a waaaay better 3 pt shooter. Paolo is better at everything else on offense. Jovic is also a few levels of magnitude worse moving on the perimeter

[SelfishPlayer]

Well, Liddell was taken with the same pick as Jokic

I know it's trolling, but would you be willing to bet that EJ Liddell never gets a stop or blocks the shot of an all NBA or better player?

Liddell first needs to earn a single NBA minute.

Even if he never plays a single minute in the NBA, it’s still idiotic logic. Guarantee you Shaq, David Robinson, Hakeem, or any hall of fame big who played college ball at some point in their careers got blocked by a stiff who didn’t even make the league, lol. It’s just dumb, pure and simple.

Liddell isn't a big. He's an undersized PF drafted in the second round blocking the shot of the 6'10" #1 overall pick. You aren't a big man just because you play the 4:and 5, you have to actually be big.

[FrightCoward]

Liddell first needs to earn a single NBA minute.

Even if he never plays a single minute in the NBA, it’s still idiotic logic. Guarantee you Shaq, David Robinson, Hakeem, or any hall of fame big who played college ball at some point in their careers got blocked by a stiff who didn’t even make the league, lol. It’s just dumb, pure and simple.

Liddell isn't a big. He's an undersized PF drafted in the second round blocking the shot of the 6'10" #1 overall pick. You aren't a big man just because you play the 4:and 5, you have to actually be big.

Yao Ming got blocked by Nate Robinson who was basically two feet shorter than him, lol. The logic is so dumb, I can’t with you people. Everybody gets blocked by someone at some point in their careers, scrubs, non scrubs, doesn’t matter. Just stop with this idiocy, lol.

[NO-KG-AI]

Liddell first needs to earn a single NBA minute.

Even if he never plays a single minute in the NBA, it’s still idiotic logic. Guarantee you Shaq, David Robinson, Hakeem, or any hall of fame big who played college ball at some point in their careers got blocked by a stiff who didn’t even make the league, lol. It’s just dumb, pure and simple.

Liddell isn't a big. He's an undersized PF drafted in the second round blocking the shot of the 6'10" #1 overall pick. You aren't a big man just because you play the 4:and 5, you have to actually be big.

You didn't answer the question. Are you willing to bet Liddell never blocks an all NBA player or gets a stop on them? You framed it as he can't succeed because Liddell stuffed him.

[bucknut]

I strongly disagree that jovic is better at any of that stuff on offense. He's a waaaay better 3 pt shooter. Paolo is better at everything else on offense. Jovic is also a few levels of magnitude worse moving on the perimeter[/quote]

I can't figure out why people see Jovic as being a slow lumbering guy he's literally doing insane behind the back to crossover to between the leg combos with a stepback constantly - looks way more guardlike to me then a guy like galinari

My only problem with him is I can see him falling in love with that type of stepback stuff whereas Bancharo has some post and mid range game to him. But Jovic looks more tatumish in moves in speed then Banchero to me

[SelfishPlayer]

Even if he never plays a single minute in the NBA, it’s still idiotic logic. Guarantee you Shaq, David Robinson, Hakeem, or any hall of fame big who played college ball at some point in their careers got blocked by a stiff who didn’t even make the league, lol. It’s just dumb, pure and simple.

Liddell isn't a big. He's an undersized PF drafted in the second round blocking the shot of the 6'10" #1 overall pick. You aren't a big man just because you play the 4:and 5, you have to actually be big.

Yao Ming got blocked by Nate Robinson who was basically two feet shorter than him, lol. The logic is so dumb, I can’t with you people. Everybody gets blocked by someone at some point in their careers, scrubs, non scrubs, doesn’t matter. Just stop with this idiocy, lol.

Nate Robinson played 11 NBA seasons and will receive the full NBA pension. That makes him an official NBA talent. You keep giving examples of NBA players. Liddell is just a second round pick and may never play in the league.

[FrightCoward]

Liddell isn't a big. He's an undersized PF drafted in the second round blocking the shot of the 6'10" #1 overall pick. You aren't a big man just because you play the 4:and 5, you have to actually be big.

Yao Ming got blocked by Nate Robinson who was basically two feet shorter than him, lol. The logic is so dumb, I can’t with you people. Everybody gets blocked by someone at some point in their careers, scrubs, non scrubs, doesn’t matter. Just stop with this idiocy, lol.

Nate Robinson played 11 NBA seasons and will receive the full NBA pension. That makes him an official NBA talent. You keep giving examples of NBA players. Liddell is just a second round pick and may never play in the league.

Lol, you’re clearly just trolling at this point. Get out of here. So basically if you ever get your shot blocked even just once by a player who didn’t make the league, you’re trash. Good to know, lol. Guarantee you some 6’0 white boy blocked LeBron once in high school.

[SelfishPlayer]

Even if he never plays a single minute in the NBA, it’s still idiotic logic. Guarantee you Shaq, David Robinson, Hakeem, or any hall of fame big who played college ball at some point in their careers got blocked by a stiff who didn’t even make the league, lol. It’s just dumb, pure and simple.

Liddell isn't a big. He's an undersized PF drafted in the second round blocking the shot of the 6'10" #1 overall pick. You aren't a big man just because you play the 4:and 5, you have to actually be big.

You didn't answer the question. Are you willing to bet Liddell never blocks an all NBA player or gets a stop on them? You framed it as he can't succeed because Liddell stuffed him.

No, it's more like, look how ordinary this 250lb 6'10" PF looks on this play against what is an undersized player at the PF position in the NBA. Liddell ended up only a 2nd round pick.

[clyde21]

judging a player by ONE play regardless of how u feel about Liddell is just absurd.

[FrightCoward]

Liddell isn't a big. He's an undersized PF drafted in the second round blocking the shot of the 6'10" #1 overall pick. You aren't a big man just because you play the 4:and 5, you have to actually be big.

You didn't answer the question. Are you willing to bet Liddell never blocks an all NBA player or gets a stop on them? You framed it as he can't succeed because Liddell stuffed him.

No, it's more like, look how ordinary this 250lb 6'10" PF looks on this play against what is an undersized player at the PF position in the NBA. Liddell ended up only a 2nd round pick.

You’re spinning in circles trying to justify this, lol.

[NO-KG-AI]

Liddell isn't a big. He's an undersized PF drafted in the second round blocking the shot of the 6'10" #1 overall pick. You aren't a big man just because you play the 4:and 5, you have to actually be big.

You didn't answer the question. Are you willing to bet Liddell never blocks an all NBA player or gets a stop on them? You framed it as he can't succeed because Liddell stuffed him.

No, it's more like, look how ordinary this 250lb 6'10" PF looks on this play against what is an undersized player at the PF position in the NBA. Liddell ended up only a 2nd round pick.

So can you answer the question? How hard is that?

Also, if Liddell blocks a bunch of all NBA player's shots and then scrubs out the league, does it invalidate all those players, or does it validate Paolo?

I need to understand.

[SelfishPlayer]

You didn't answer the question. Are you willing to bet Liddell never blocks an all NBA player or gets a stop on them? You framed it as he can't succeed because Liddell stuffed him.

No, it's more like, look how ordinary this 250lb 6'10" PF looks on this play against what is an undersized player at the PF position in the NBA. Liddell ended up only a 2nd round pick.

So can you answer the question? How hard is that?

Also, if Liddell blocks a bunch of all NBA player's shots and then scrubs out the league, does it invalidate all those players, or does it validate Paolo?

I need to understand.

I never posted an if. I posted the #1 overall pick getting his shot blocked by an undersized second round pick. The NBA is filled with guys that do not lack size who will be defending him.

[NO-KG-AI]

3rd time. Liddell blocks an all NBA player's shot, what does it mean?

[K_chile22]

Why are y'all still engaging in this dumb argument. Everyone knows it's dumb, you're not changing his mind, just wildly sending this thread to nowhere

[SelfishPlayer]

Paolo Banchero's shot looks different judging by summer league. His release point looks higher and the arch on the shot looks higher. That's a major positive.