Jonas Valanciunas

Post #41 » by **5DOM** » Sat Mar 5, 2011 5:06 pm

Thanks for posting those vids. Looks like a good mobile player. And are they vuvuzelas???

karolis1221 · Post #42 » by **karolis1221** » Sat Mar 5, 2011 5:34 pm

5DOM wrote:Thanks for posting those vids. Looks like a good mobile player. And are they vuvuzelas???

no not vuvuzelas,i dont know how it calls but sometimes people using it to scare someone when he sleeping

Darknemo2000 · Post #43 » by **Darknemo2000** » Sat Mar 5, 2011 6:18 pm

Seems lika Valannciunas played a lithuanian league game today. Havent seen the game but judging from the stats and considering that Rytas (2nd place in the lithuanian league) played against the team in the 4th place he had another solid performance. His stats:

25 minutes, 22 points (10/12 FG), 13 Rebounds (6 offensive boards), 2 dimes and 4 blocks with overall +39 efficiency.

karolis1221 · Post #44 » by **karolis1221** » Sat Mar 5, 2011 6:40 pm

Darknemo2000 wrote:Seems lika Valannciunas played a lithuanian league game today. Havent seen the game but judging from the stats and considering that Rytas (2nd place in the lithuanian league) played against the team in the 4th place he had another solid performance. His stats:

25 minutes, 22 points (10/12 FG), 13 Rebounds (6 offensive boards), 2 dimes and 4 blocks with overall +39 efficiency.

lol i dont watching lithuanian league it sucks, except Rytas vs zalgiris its epic matches.

Dr Positivity · Post #45 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Mar 6, 2011 12:27 am

After watching those clips I want nothing to do with Valanciunas. I always thought he'd have more athleticism and explosiveness. A 7 footer with average NBA athleticism, a skinny frame, and a tendency to foul? I want absolutely nothing to do with that prospect package. None. Let David Kahn go down that road. If he gets a 10 and 10 guy out of it all the best to him.

I much prefer Kanter... give me a big man with a strong NBA frame to post up and rebound any day.

Jazzfan12 · Post #46 » by **Jazzfan12** » Sun Mar 6, 2011 12:54 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:After watching those clips I want nothing to do with Valanciunas. I always thought he'd have more athleticism and explosiveness. A 7 footer with average NBA athleticism, a skinny frame, and a tendency to foul? I want absolutely nothing to do with that prospect package. None. Let David Kahn go down that road. If he gets a 10 and 10 guy out of it all the best to him.

I much prefer Kanter... give me a big man with a strong NBA frame to post up and rebound any day.

Kanter hasn't played major basketball in like two years.

karolis1221 · Post #47 » by **karolis1221** » Sun Mar 6, 2011 1:04 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:After watching those clips I want nothing to do with Valanciunas. I always thought he'd have more athleticism and explosiveness. A 7 footer with average NBA athleticism, a skinny frame, and a tendency to foul? I want absolutely nothing to do with that prospect package. None. Let David Kahn go down that road. If he gets a 10 and 10 guy out of it all the best to him.

I much prefer Kanter... give me a big man with a strong NBA frame to post up and rebound any day.

Show me any prove that he can play like you say and i believe you. not nike hoop sumit or u16-18 championships just full game link of him playn in high level league? im not saying hes scrub or smth maybe hehave bright future but i just cant accept that he will be better just because he have strong nba frame and without seeing his game.

boogie-reke · Post #48 » by **boogie-reke** » Sun Mar 6, 2011 9:31 am

You gotta remember Jonas plays against MEN, he plays competitive euroleague basketball... now you can diss the Euroleague all you want, but NCAA doesn't come even close to it, not in a million years.

For a kid his age to play like that against pros, thats amazing.

Post #49 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Mar 6, 2011 1:17 pm

Yeah, I'm not sure what his critics are expecting from an 18 year old. For the people who think his frame is too skinny, guys like Tim Duncan, Moses Malone, and Emeka Okafor were skinnier at the same age. His expertise in running the pick and roll at that age is very impressive. And unlike a lot of the young talented bigs we see, he goes as hard for defensive rebounds as he does for offensive boards - and he gets them. Good hands and good agility.

Darknemo2000 · Post #50 » by **Darknemo2000** » Sun Mar 6, 2011 1:41 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:After watching those clips I want nothing to do with Valanciunas. I always thought he'd have more athleticism and explosiveness. A 7 footer with average NBA athleticism, a skinny frame, and a tendency to foul? I want absolutely nothing to do with that prospect package. None. Let David Kahn go down that road. If he gets a 10 and 10 guy out of it all the best to him.

I much prefer Kanter... give me a big man with a strong NBA frame to post up and rebound any day.

Let me guess you havent even seen Kanter play. He is not competing with men while Valanciunas does. i will take Valanciunas over Kanter anytime right now until I see Kanter game in a serious competition and not Nike Hoops and the like.

Yes Jonas is skinny but he is 18 year old. For christ sake Howard at 18 looked skinnier than Valanciunas does right now.

And he has good hands (catches the ball easily), good reflexes, rebounds very well and has high basketball IQ which helps him to take right decisions fast. His defensive awareness is low still and makes a lot of mistakes but who didn't at 18?

I really cant see how can you be so assure that Kanter is better. Kanter havent played in any major competitions for two years now. Yes he has a better frame, but if your all judgment begins and ends with good frame - then I have nothing to say.

baulderdash77 · Post #51 » by **baulderdash77** » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:15 pm

I think in general that great players dominate every level they're in. If you're not playing in the NBA and you're not dominating then you're not going to magically become a star in the NBA.

If this guy is getting pushed around and fouling out in Europe, he's going to get pushed around and foul out in the NBA but worse.

I know he's productive while he's in the game, but those easy buckes won't be there for him in the NBA and guys will actually compete for the rebounds in the NBA.

Watching the clips (which is all we can do) of him, I don't see a skill or athleticism that's going to translate well into the NBA.

He's going to get eaten alive until he fills out. Also he's already 240 pounds. He has to gain what 30 pounds to be able to hold up in the NBA so he's not pushed around? He'll be slow as molassas so he'll still be fouling out like crazy. I don't see how he's projectible into anything more than a bench player or a fringe starter.

karolis1221 · Post #52 » by **karolis1221** » Sun Mar 6, 2011 2:18 pm

Ruzious wrote:Yeah, I'm not sure what his critics are expecting from an 18 year old. For the people who think his frame is too skinny, guys like Tim Duncan, Moses Malone, and Emeka Okafor were skinnier at the same age. His expertise in running the pick and roll at that age is very impressive. And unlike a lot of the young talented bigs we see, he goes as hard for defensive rebounds as he does for offensive boards - and he gets them . Good hands and good agility.

Best thing is that he is very hard worker ,he loves to train hard everyday,not lazy,maybe i will make later his highlights in different way something like first euroleague games and now days,you will see that he added 10pounds in less than year and developing realy fast.

delaney8 · Post #53 » by **delaney8** » Sun Mar 6, 2011 7:25 pm

Isn't he supposed to be more athletic than Kanter? I don't think we can expect any of these big guys to have explosive athleticism/hops or they'd have been projected to go #1. Well except for PJ but he has effort issues it seems.

I actually like what he showed. It looked like he played with much more energy and effort than Bargnani does (i'm a raps fan) and it looked fairly consistent.

sisibilio · Post #54 » by **sisibilio** » Sun Mar 6, 2011 8:12 pm

baulderdash77 wrote:I think in general that great players dominate every level they're in. If you're not playing in the NBA and you're not dominating then you're not going to magically become a star in the NBA.

If this guy is getting pushed around and fouling out in Europe, he's going to get pushed around and foul out in the NBA but worse.

I know he's productive while he's in the game, but those easy buckes won't be there for him in the NBA and guys will actually compete for the rebounds in the NBA.

Watching the clips (which is all we can do) of him, I don't see a skill or athleticism that's going to translate well into the NBA.

He's going to get eaten alive until he fills out. Also he's already 240 pounds. He has to gain what 30 pounds to be able to hold up in the NBA so he's not pushed around? He'll be slow as molassas so he'll still be fouling out like crazy. I don't see how he's projectible into anything more than a bench player or a fringe starter.

There's so much fail in this post that my head is about to explode.

Post #55 » by **UGA Hayes** » Sun Mar 6, 2011 9:40 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:After watching those clips I want nothing to do with Valanciunas. I always thought he'd have more athleticism and explosiveness. A 7 footer with average NBA athleticism, a skinny frame, and a tendency to foul? I want absolutely nothing to do with that prospect package. None. Let David Kahn go down that road. If he gets a 10 and 10 guy out of it all the best to him.

I much prefer Kanter... give me a big man with a strong NBA frame to post up and rebound any day.

Really? I feel the opposite. Those were some high level European guys he is playing with and against. Additionally athleticism decreases in importance in relation to height, i.e 7 foot centers, and I don't really agree with your assessment of his athleticism either. I especially like that he looks to be a good rebounder which has been the downfall of some european prospects. His hands look good too. Honestly if a center can rebound, defend and catch the ball a lot of other stuff is gravy.

Darknemo2000 · Post #56 » by **Darknemo2000** » Mon Mar 7, 2011 3:01 am

baulderdash77 wrote:I think in general that great players dominate every level they're in. If you're not playing in the NBA and you're not dominating then you're not going to magically become a star in the NBA.

If this guy is getting pushed around and fouling out in Europe, he's going to get pushed around and foul out in the NBA but worse.

I know he's productive while he's in the game, but those easy buckes won't be there for him in the NBA and guys will actually compete for the rebounds in the NBA.

Watching the clips (which is all we can do) of him, I don't see a skill or athleticism that's going to translate well into the NBA.

He's going to get eaten alive until he fills out. Also he's already 240 pounds. He has to gain what 30 pounds to be able to hold up in the NBA so he's not pushed around? He'll be slow as molassas so he'll still be fouling out like crazy. I don't see how he's projectible into anything more than a bench player or a fringe starter.

Actually while being pushed around in euroleague he is still one of the best euroleague centers at age 18 if you look at his efficiency per minute ratio.

And he wont be as easy to push once he gains weight.

He will slow down a little, but I doubt that all that much. His athleticism is ok really, the clips that you see are just from two games. I have seen him dunk over the guys upon rebounding the offensive board.

He is a hard worker meaning that he will continue to improve rather than sit in one place. And he looks durable (compared to Kanter who already seems like he might have knee problems along the way).

If he will be eaten alive in NBA just as he is 'eaten alive' in Euroleague then I would be very happy.

droponov · Post #57 » by **droponov** » Mon Mar 7, 2011 3:21 pm

erudite23 wrote:I think you may be over playing it a bit. Biedrins doesn't possess the anchor to contend with power post players, but he seems quite good at every other aspect of interior defensive play....or was before he completely lost his self-confidence at the hands of Nellie's inexplicable substitution patterns. I think if he had been paired with an enforcer type big guy who lacked mobility, he could have become a great one.

Well, yeah, I said that in other aspects he just isn't as good as he should be. It's defending the post that he's too soft and lazy to make up for his lack of natural leverage. I agree that the fact Mullin kept drafting those frail lightweight bigs didn't help him at all.

droponov · Post #58 » by **droponov** » Mon Mar 7, 2011 3:28 pm

baulderdash77 wrote:I think in general that great players dominate every level they're in. If you're not playing in the NBA and you're not dominating then you're not going to magically become a star in the NBA.

If this guy is getting pushed around and fouling out in Europe, he's going to get pushed around and foul out in the NBA but worse.

I know he's productive while he's in the game, but those easy buckes won't be there for him in the NBA and guys will actually compete for the rebounds in the NBA.

Watching the clips (which is all we can do) of him, I don't see a skill or athleticism that's going to translate well into the NBA.

He's going to get eaten alive until he fills out. Also he's already 240 pounds. He has to gain what 30 pounds to be able to hold up in the NBA so he's not pushed around? He'll be slow as molassas so he'll still be fouling out like crazy. I don't see how he's projectible into anything more than a bench player or a fringe starter.

Pau Gasol? Gasol was much thinner than Valanciunas at the same age and was actually a bench filler when he was 19 years old (they aren't remotely similar players though). It's easier to be pushed around in Europe than in the NBA. I actually think Valanciunas is pretty strong and corpulent for his age.

Darknemo2000 · Post #59 » by **Darknemo2000** » Mon Mar 7, 2011 3:42 pm

karolis1221 wrote:maybe i will make later his highlights in different way.

It would be great to see some more vids of Valanciunas from euroleague and from LKL (mostly Zalgiris VS Rytas matches as Zalgiris is Euroleague club).

karolis1221 · Post #60 » by **karolis1221** » Mon Mar 7, 2011 4:06 pm

Darknemo2000 wrote:
karolis1221 wrote:maybe i will make later his highlights in different way.

It would be great to see some more vids of Valanciunas from euroleague and from LKL (mostly Zalgiris VS Rytas matches as Zalgiris is Euroleague club).

Hehe need to capture that three pointer which he launched