Bismack Biyombo

[Draft Master J]

ManualRam, please read this sentence over and over again until it sinks in:

Numbers-wise, he's clearly superior to Ibaka coming into the league.

What Ibaka's doing in the NBA is irrelevant to that statement. It's a simple observation about their comparable ACB production─nothing more.

As for my claim, maybe clearly was too absolute. They clearly look superior to me, but that's because I'm looking at their numbers as a whole, and Biyombo's insane shot blocking clearly gives him the overall advantage. Outside of that, I agree that they're very similar.

Anyways, looking at how impressive Biyombo's production is and his absurd measurements (assuming they're [at least close to] legit), I fully expect him to go in the lottery. I think Ibaka's progress has erased the bitterness of Saer Sene and Desagana Diop.

[Manhattan Project]

Even still the numbers really don't tell the story of a superior player between the two. Not anything to really build an argument really IMO. When looking at Ibaka and how raw he was coming into the league it does bold the question of what team can actually develop him properly? I don't know a thing about his work ethic or his desire to improve considering his name really just came on the scene.

I don't see him as a Diop or Sene prospect at all as both had their short comings. However lottery? It's possible but I personally don't see it. I think he lands right outside the lotto, going anywhere from 15-20. He seems like the ideal player to trade up for for any team that's willing to let him develop.

[ManualRam]

ManualRam, please read this sentence over and over again until it sinks in:

Numbers-wise, he's clearly superior to Ibaka coming into the league.

What Ibaka's doing in the NBA is irrelevant to that statement. It's a simple observation about their comparable ACB production─nothing more.

As for my claim, maybe clearly was too absolute. They clearly look superior to me, but that's because I'm looking at their numbers as a whole, and Biyombo's insane shot blocking clearly gives him the overall advantage. Outside of that, I agree that they're very similar.

Anyways, looking at how impressive Biyombo's production is and his absurd measurements (assuming they're [at least close to] legit), I fully expect him to go in the lottery. I think Ibaka's progress has erased the bitterness of Saer Sene and Desagana Diop.

i read it perfectly clear. they still look similar, unless you're projecting those shotblocking numbers out to the NBA and you think biyombo will be a shotblocker of epic proportions. looking at those numbers you would assume that ibaka doesnt project to be an elite shotblocker. i understand that, but he's already in the league and is already is an elite shotblocker. extrapolating from that specific number is moot.

yes, clearly was "too absolute." yet, you used it again. at the same stage, biyombo doesnt look CLEARLY superior.

[Draft Master J]

i read it perfectly clear. they still look similar, unless you're projecting those shotblocking numbers out to the NBA and you think biyombo will be a shotblocker of epic proportions.

looking at those numbers you would assume that ibaka doesnt project to be an elite shotblocker. i understand that, but he's already in the league and is already is an elite shotblocker. extrapolating from that specific number is moot.

You're making this far more complicated than it should be.

Yes, I realize that Ibaka's shot blocking has progressed since his days in the ACB league, to the point where he's now an elite-level shot blocker. No, I'm not saying Biyombo's superior shot blocking numbers at the same points in their careers extrapolates into him being a superior shot blocker in the NBA.

I made a simple observation: Biyombo's ACB numbers are superior to Ibaka's. They are, unless you exclude his shot blocking, in which case they're about even. I didn't exclude Biyombo's shot blocking (why would I?), thus I concluded he was more productive overall.

That's it. That's the extent of my statement. Please stop reading more into it then that.

yes, clearly was "too absolute." yet, you used it again. at the same stage, biyombo doesnt look CLEARLY superior

Biyombo's numbers in the ACB league are clearly superior to Ibaka's to me, yes. That doesn't mean they're clearly superior to everyone, as your objection proves.

[sisibilio]

i read it perfectly clear. they still look similar, unless you're projecting those shotblocking numbers out to the NBA and you think biyombo will be a shotblocker of epic proportions.

looking at those numbers you would assume that ibaka doesnt project to be an elite shotblocker. i understand that, but he's already in the league and is already is an elite shotblocker. extrapolating from that specific number is moot.

You're making this far more complicated than it should be.

Yes, I realize that Ibaka's shot blocking has progressed since his days in the ACB league, to the point where he's now an elite-level shot blocker. No, I'm not saying Biyombo's superior shot blocking numbers at the same points in their careers extrapolates into him being a superior shot blocker in the NBA.

I made a simple observation: Biyombo's ACB numbers are superior to Ibaka's. They are, unless you exclude his shot blocking, in which case they're about even. I didn't exclude Biyombo's shot blocking (why would I?), thus I concluded he was more productive overall.

Actually you're not comparing their numbers at the same points in their careers, Biyombo is 1 year younger than Ibaka was when he played in the ACB.

[Grits n Gravy]

seraphin went a lot higher than most people were expecting last year after a nice showing in the hoops summit, if he has a good game there than i definitely think he could get in the lottery in a draft where many underclassmen might return to school.

[EvanZ]

As a Warriors fan, this guy and Noguiera are the two bigs that I am most interested in right now. Seems like both should be available late lottery. If Henson declares, he's also a possibility.

[Ruzious]

seraphin went a lot higher than most people were expecting last year after a nice showing in the hoops summit, if he has a good game there than i definitely think he could get in the lottery in a draft where many underclassmen might return to school.

Good point. And as raw as Seraphin has looked this year, I gotta figure the Bis is even rawer - with somewhat similar physical attributes (same height, Bis is longer, Seraphin thicker, looks like roughly equal athleticism). Seraphin shows some promise, but his lack of early success probably hurts Bis in the draft.

[EvanZ]

From DX today:

The most intriguing long-term NBA prospects on the international team are 1992-born front-court players: 6'9” Bismack Biyombo from the Congo (currently playing for Fuenlabrada in Spain), and 7'0” center Lucas Nogueira from Brazil. Both players have some limitations on the offensive end, but also possess some freakish physical tools that were on display during every practice session thus far.

Biyombo stands out immediately when he walks into the gym. He sports a chiseled frame (measured 4.8 % body fat) with broad shoulders and an incredible 7'7” wingspan, and as we saw during some of the brief 5 on 5 sessions, he has an outstanding motor, which makes him a terror on the glass and on the defensive end. He also looks to be a very mature player with a great attitude, often seen encouraging teammates, talking with the coaching staff, and helping others with instructions. The experience he's garnered seeing heavy minutes in the top league in the world outside the NBA—the Spanish ACB--over the past few months was very evident.

Lucas also has a ridiculous 7'6” wingspan, and he runs the floor like a deer, but he's still fairly thin, as expected from an 18 year old 7-footer. He showed great mobility and shot-blocking ability yesterday, and he'll be a guy scouts will be keeping a close eye on over the next few days to see just how far along he is in his development.

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[zike_42]

I would love him for the Knicks at #16-17 wherever we land but it might be too low. We need a big guy who rebounds and block shots which fits him to a tee. The number I love is the 4.8% body fat. A lot of the time big guys are big because they are kinda tubby, while Bismack seems to be a tank.

[droponov]

When looking at Ibaka and how raw he was coming into the league

Was Ibaka that raw? Obviously, 19 years old bigs aren't polished, but I think that for the type of player he is, Ibaka developed very quickly. He was a solid backup in his rookie year and a quality starter and role-player in his 2nd.

I don't know a thing about his work ethic or his desire to improve considering his name really just came on the scene.

He's been around for awhile and he has a good basketball background. Terrific work ethic too. He's a defensive/rebounding specialist but he knows the game.

[gswhoops]

I think he's a solid pick in the late lotto right now. The top of his head might only be 6' 9" off the ground but a 9' 3" standing reach is better then most 7 footers. He's obviously strong (243 lbs at under 5% body fat ) and athletic.

That alone should be good enough for a late lotto pick in this weak draft.

[Foye]

I'm on the Bismack bandwagon.


Still think Seraphin will turn out being a really good player as well.

[Jazzfan12]

Getting way too hype right now, but I think he'll fall back down to around 20-25 which is where he should go.

[Grits n Gravy]

Getting way too hype right now, but I think he'll fall back down to around 20-25 which is where he should go.

i would disagree, i have actually never seen him play, but for nba scouts when you combine that sort of crazy length, great athletic ability on an 18 year old guy and the kicker is a great motor and heart...imo there's no doubt thats a lottery pick, especailly in a year like this. he may not be ready or polished in any way but he has all the tools to be shaped into a very good nba player, especially defensively.

[Dr Positivity]

I've seen too many raw big men with great motors fail. No way I would take this guy over either of the Morris twins.

[Casperkid23]

Getting way too hype right now

Totally agree.

I would argue that virtually nobody here has seen him play outside of a few sketchy youtube videos of game film and the practice videos put up two days ago. Yet he already has a bandwagon and people are foaming at the mouth.

I'd at least wait until the game tonight to profess your love and adoration. Right now, I basically only view him as a guy with insane measurements. The fact that some people (without scout access) have him in the mid-lotto of a mock draft... well that's embarrassing.

[Dr Positivity]

Well the mock drafts are what we expect to happen, not what we think should happen. I don't think Biyombo should be going as high as the lottery but the hype right is suggesting so. In particular the guy has Daryl Morey at #14 written all over him.

[sisibilio]

Getting way too hype right now

Totally agree.

I would argue that virtually nobody here has seen him play outside of a few sketchy youtube videos of game film and the practice videos put up two days ago. Yet he already has a bandwagon and people are foaming at the mouth.

I'd at least wait until the game tonight to profess your love and adoration. Right now, I basically only view him as a guy with insane measurements. The fact that some people (without scout access) have him in the mid-lotto of a mock draft... well that's embarrassing.

He was almost a complete unknown even in Spain a few months ago but he's been playing in the ACB since then, that should give you more information that whatever he does tonight.
You can download 5 of his games here if you're interested, from the "jornada 16" onwards.

[droponov]

Am I the only one who find amusing how assertive people are about where players should go, what they're going to be and what not? I've seen Biyombo playing quite a few times, I've heard about him right after he arrived from Yemen, I saw him playing with their farm team, in practices, I know some of his teammates and coaches... and I have no clear idea about where he should go in the draft - because I never thought too much about it and because there are lots of guys in the draft that I barely know, I only saw a couple of times at most.

At first I was impressed by the knowledge of people here, everybody had definitive opinions about every freaking player, big east stars, obscure guys from mid-major, europeans, brazilians...