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Re: Top 5 Prospects for 2012 NBA Draft 

Post#41 » by Rockmaninoff » Sun Jul 3, 2011 6:48 am

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fredericklove wrote:did someone just say Sully is Fizer 2.0, clearly he hasn't watched any buckeye ball this yr.


Fizer averaged 23 ppg on 58% shooting his last year at ISU. What's your point?


Sullinger was much better as a freshmen, and that's what is important.
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Post#42 » by Roger Murdock » Sun Jul 3, 2011 4:56 pm

Anyone think Sullinger can play Center at the next level? Hes a beast at rebounding and scoring down low. Sure hes not a big shot blocker but he can defend by putting his body on somebody.

I'm curious if he would be a good fit next to Tristan Thompson. Their play styles compliment each other very well, but if would be a pretty short front court. I wonder if it could work.
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Post#43 » by Grits n Gravy » Mon Jul 4, 2011 2:08 am

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Knckles wrote:Bradley Beal is gonna be the best player in the 2012 draft, u can bank on that.


Top 5 for sure.

i saw literally only about 5 minutes of some all star high school game on tv and only a few plays of brad beal...one was a driving lay up and i immediately thought "wow that's russel westbrook" obviously it was only a very very small sample but the guy should be working on his point guard skills because he has amazing quickness and athletic ability and is definitely at least a bit undersized for a 2.
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Post#44 » by Grits n Gravy » Mon Jul 4, 2011 2:09 am

Roger Murdock wrote:Anyone think Sullinger can play Center at the next level? Hes a beast at rebounding and scoring down low. Sure hes not a big shot blocker but he can defend by putting his body on somebody.

I'm curious if he would be a good fit next to Tristan Thompson. Their play styles compliment each other very well, but if would be a pretty short front court. I wonder if it could work.

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Post#45 » by ManualRam » Mon Jul 4, 2011 3:29 am

kiwi_adam wrote:
ziplockfresh wrote:
Knckles wrote:Bradley Beal is gonna be the best player in the 2012 draft, u can bank on that.


Top 5 for sure.

i saw literally only about 5 minutes of some all star high school game on tv and only a few plays of brad beal...one was a driving lay up and i immediately thought "wow that's russel westbrook" obviously it was only a very very small sample but the guy should be working on his point guard skills because he has amazing quickness and athletic ability and is definitely at least a bit undersized for a 2.

He's really nothing like westbrook. Beal's appeal is that his game is extremely mature. He makes the right play, knows how to move without the ball, has an excellent stroke which he can get off in number of different situations. He just makes the right play most of the time, including making the right pass. He's also very fundamentally sound on defense.
He's also not a jaw dropping athlete like Westbrook. Decent athlete, but nothing exceptional. The only thing similar about them is their size and that can be a problem for beal since he's a 2 and not a combo.
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Post#46 » by JamesNaismith » Fri Jul 8, 2011 2:38 am

1. Miller
2. Davis
3. Barnes
4. McAdoo
5. Beal

H.M. Gilchrist but I think TJones is gunna mess up his stock by taking shots away from him and Davis will be the primary option. Lamb might come out of nowhere and make me eat crow...if Drummond shows up; then later Beal too.
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Post#47 » by peachbucket » Fri Jul 8, 2011 11:44 pm

1. Andre Drummond
2. Tony Wroten
3. Anthony Davis
4. Lebryan Nash
5. James McAdoo
6. Jared Sullinger
7. Quincy Miller
8. Perry Jones
9. Adonis Thomas
10. Harrison Barnes

I did this based on long term potential...I think 1 thru 4 have a chance to be franchise type of players.
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Post#48 » by theboomking » Sat Jul 9, 2011 12:35 am

ManualRam wrote:
kiwi_adam wrote:
ziplockfresh wrote:Top 5 for sure.

i saw literally only about 5 minutes of some all star high school game on tv and only a few plays of brad beal...one was a driving lay up and i immediately thought "wow that's russel westbrook" obviously it was only a very very small sample but the guy should be working on his point guard skills because he has amazing quickness and athletic ability and is definitely at least a bit undersized for a 2.

He's really nothing like westbrook. Beal's appeal is that his game is extremely mature. He makes the right play, knows how to move without the ball, has an excellent stroke which he can get off in number of different situations. He just makes the right play most of the time, including making the right pass. He's also very fundamentally sound on defense.
He's also not a jaw dropping athlete like Westbrook. Decent athlete, but nothing exceptional. The only thing similar about them is their size and that can be a problem for beal since he's a 2 and not a combo.


I mostly agree, but I think Beal is an underrated athlete. I saw him in two All Star games, and he looked like a very good, if not transcendant athlete. His game is definitely mature though, and Beal is a very bright kid. Beal's shot is also just a thing of beauty.

As much as everyone likes Miller, his injury history has to worry you.
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Post#49 » by lilojmayo » Sat Jul 9, 2011 6:04 am

bigboi wrote:If Andre Drummond can come out than he will be #1
Other than that

Quincy Miller- KD with post moves
Michael Gilchrist- Iggy
Lebryan Nash- monster
Tony Wroten- taller Rondo
Austin Rivers- Steph Curry
Anthony Davis- polished D. Favors


I think Tony Wroten will be the number 1 pick and is the best prospect in the draft. Totally off on the Rondo comparison. Wroten has Rondo's court vision ( maybe better), but he is no liability on offense. He is in fact a pass first pg that can really score the basketball that just happens to be 6'6.

He is a hit or miss player. If he has a great year at Washington ( which I think he will ) he will jumped to #1 on Mock Drafts . Much like Irving did this year. I mean a 6-6 -6'7 ( in shoes) PG that can handle the ball like Wroten that can pass the way he can pass. He is athletic, I can't recall every seeing a prospect like him before.
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Post#50 » by mattg » Sat Jul 9, 2011 7:50 pm

lilojmayo wrote:
bigboi wrote:If Andre Drummond can come out than he will be #1
Other than that

Quincy Miller- KD with post moves
Michael Gilchrist- Iggy
Lebryan Nash- monster
Tony Wroten- taller Rondo
Austin Rivers- Steph Curry
Anthony Davis- polished D. Favors


I think Tony Wroten will be the number 1 pick and is the best prospect in the draft. Totally off on the Rondo comparison. Wroten has Rondo's court vision ( maybe better), but he is no liability on offense. He is in fact a pass first pg that can really score the basketball that just happens to be 6'6.

He is a hit or miss player. If he has a great year at Washington ( which I think he will ) he will jumped to #1 on Mock Drafts . Much like Irving did this year. I mean a 6-6 -6'7 ( in shoes) PG that can handle the ball like Wroten that can pass the way he can pass. He is athletic, I can't recall every seeing a prospect like him before.

I don't think Wroten is good enough at managing the team/running the offense to be taken number 1. He can make some real nice passes(and be very flashy too) but sometimes he just gives me the vibe of style over substance.
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Re: Top 5 Prospects for 2012 NBA Draft 

Post#51 » by 7-Day Dray » Sat Jul 9, 2011 7:51 pm

mattg wrote:
lilojmayo wrote:
bigboi wrote:If Andre Drummond can come out than he will be #1
Other than that

Quincy Miller- KD with post moves
Michael Gilchrist- Iggy
Lebryan Nash- monster
Tony Wroten- taller Rondo
Austin Rivers- Steph Curry
Anthony Davis- polished D. Favors


I think Tony Wroten will be the number 1 pick and is the best prospect in the draft. Totally off on the Rondo comparison. Wroten has Rondo's court vision ( maybe better), but he is no liability on offense. He is in fact a pass first pg that can really score the basketball that just happens to be 6'6.

He is a hit or miss player. If he has a great year at Washington ( which I think he will ) he will jumped to #1 on Mock Drafts . Much like Irving did this year. I mean a 6-6 -6'7 ( in shoes) PG that can handle the ball like Wroten that can pass the way he can pass. He is athletic, I can't recall every seeing a prospect like him before.

I don't think Wroten is good enough at managing the team/running the offense to be taken number 1. He can make some real nice passes(and be very flashy too) but sometimes he just gives me the vibe of style over substance.


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Post#52 » by DirtyDez » Sat Jul 9, 2011 11:10 pm

Wroten is flashy and has terrific size and court vision but he needs 2 years in college which he'll have to do anyway with a new rule coming in. I think he can be Kidd-ish when he's ready.
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Post#53 » by ManualRam » Sat Jul 9, 2011 11:19 pm

i'd love to see wroten make the simple play look simple.
he does have good vision but i think his vision is hyped up even more due to the flashiness of his passes. he seems to always put more mustard on the hotdog whenever he can.
im not sold on him as a PG though. maybe a playmaker, but not a PG.

he's got a lot of work to do on his jumper as well. he slings it from mid-range and shoots almost flatfooted from distance.

a lot of those kids coming out of tacoma/seattle have a lot of street in their game. wroten's no exception. he'll have to weed that BS out of his game and learn how to make the simple basketball plays.
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Post#54 » by lilojmayo » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:35 am

7-Day Dray wrote:
mattg wrote:
bigboi wrote:If Andre Drummond can come out than he will be #1
Other than that

Quincy Miller- KD with post moves
Michael Gilchrist- Iggy
Lebryan Nash- monster
Tony Wroten- taller Rondo
Austin Rivers- Steph Curry
Anthony Davis- polished D. Favors



I don't think Wroten is good enough at managing the team/running the offense to be taken number 1. He can make some real nice passes(and be very flashy too) but sometimes he just gives me the vibe of style over substance.


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See, but can you explain this. How can Wroten be Style over Substance. When he is competing against ( and somewhat outplaying ) guys like John Wall in Pro-Am leagues games right now. He scored 37 points points to Wall's 36 points.

Wroten was born in 1993 :o
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Post#55 » by Deafjam57 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:18 pm

Wroten clearly has among the highest potential - maybe the highest - in this draft if he stays. But he's really a hit or miss type player. And what ManualRam is saying is completely true: Wroten needs to learn at what times he should be flashy and what times he shouldn't, but hopefully this sense will come with experience. Still, he'll need to show up in college to truly be taken seriously as a top prospect for the draft. Right now, Wroten is in the lottery of my mock draft, but not a top 5 prospect -- yet.
Still, my top 5 (including Drummond) is:
1: Andre Drummond
2: James McAdoo
3: Harrison Barnes
4: Anthony Davis
5: Perry Jones |||
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Post#56 » by glenclose » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:20 am

barnes lacks that explosiveness and athleticism that the really dominant wings have. however, he makes up for it with his height, savvy, and crunch time play. great player and potential perennial all star i would take him around 5-7th pick depending
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Post#57 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:00 pm

1. Andre Drummond
2. Perry Jones III
3. Jared Sullinger
4. James McAdoo
5. Quincy Miller

Still sold on PJIII having perenniel all-star talent

Barnes, Davis, Beal are all good but generic prospects in my opinion, they need something to differentiate themselves at the NBA level if they want to be more than mid level starters
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Post#58 » by ManualRam » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:55 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:1. Andre Drummond
2. Perry Jones III
3. Jared Sullinger
4. James McAdoo
5. Quincy Miller

Still sold on PJIII having perenniel all-star talent

Barnes, Davis, Beal are all good but generic prospects in my opinion, they need something to differentiate themselves at the NBA level if they want to be more than mid level starters

If those guys are "generic" prospects, why wouldnt you consider sullinger or mcadoo "generic" as well?
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Post#59 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:12 pm

No, I think Sullinger and McAdoo will be pretty unique for their positions. Sullinger should have exceptional rebounding ability and a hard to handle huge *ss, and McAdoo should have either exceptional skill for a PF or size for a SF. I think they have Love and Melo type mismatch potential, but realistically if they don't get there, I'd be surprised if they fall any lower than Millsap or Beasley with an IQ

Not saying that being unique automatically means being better. But I do think there's some merit to the idea that being solid athletes with solid skillsets doesn't take you as far as having something exceptional in your toolkit. I kind of see Beal and Barnes as solid specimens who can shoot... but is that enough? To have an NBA career sure, but I don't see them creating their own shots much at all.

Davis people are high on... I want to see whether his perimeter ability really is that great, because what I've seen is just solid, like as much as LMA's or something. I think LMA was still the better prospect with more things going for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Davis moved up to #2 on my list but right now I just see Ed Davis with more of a spot up midrange shot
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Post#60 » by ManualRam » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:16 pm

what exceptional skill does mcadoo have, even for a PF?

not every talented kid knows how to play winning basketball. very few do. the one's that do, i consider having an exceptional trait. having a skillset with very few holes is also an exceptional thing to have for prospects that young. those guys have less to work on and are more NBA ready. beal, davis and barnes fit into that category for me. those are the type of players who can be successful in any setting in the pros, with the upside of possibly becoming stars.
sullinger is that type of player as well, but i think he'll be slightly limited by his physical ability. i dont see him having the ability to create his own shot to the same degree that he does in college.

on the flip side, there's way more instances of kids who mentally just dont get it and flame out or stagnate because they dont know how to maximize their production while also fitting into a winning environment.

i'll just disagree with your take on ant davis, at the very least, his shot blocking ability is exceptional. LMA and davis are about even at the same stage. LMA had a more developed post game while davis has the better balls skills and shot blocking ability.
although i like ed davis, he's just not on the level of either of the aforementioned guys at the same stage. even after a yr at UNC, the kid still couldnt shoot a jump shot. he's more of a super efficient garbageman who plays very well within his role, but he's not that skilled.
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