Can Kendall Marshall become a top PG in NBA?

Warriorfan · Post #41 » by **Warriorfan** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 2:54 am

Cant think of a consensus borderline lotto pick with as low a scorinv avg but other duture top players started out with single diget scoring avgs.

karkinos · Post #42 » by **karkinos** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 4:44 pm

best pure passer in this draft class, and probably will be one of the last pure pg's we'll see for a while that looks nba ready.

i love his game. i also forsee an andre miller-ish type of career. not a ton of points but he'll drop dimes all day. the only real question is his defense.

c-dot · Post #43 » by **c-dot** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 1:48 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
old rem wrote:
CDansby wrote:I was just told that Chad Ford has Kendall Marshall falling all the way to the Mavs at 17, can someone confirm that for me (I'm not an insider on ESPN). No way he falls that far, that would probably change the Mavs Deron Williams plans.

He scored 8 ppg and .......having potentially 3 top 10 guys to pass to,pads the assists. Didn't look like a Jason Kidd or Rubio to me, more like a Mike Conley. He can become a starter,i suppose but no top 10 PG. It ain't 1963 when you might have a "playmaker" G who's only job was dribble and pass. Now, you need SOME scoring and decent D.

Wouldn't him having all those offensive options to pass to, coupled with his court vision, passing and playmaking ability also contribute to his not averaging many ppg?

And IDK if you watched much UNC this season, or even last towards the end, but he definitely looks the part of a Kidd or Rubio relative to the college level.

I'm not saying that will translate directly, but he made an enormous amount of "Holy **** did you see that?!" level thread the needle passes and when he wasn't, and instead was making more basic passes, he seemed to ALWAYS know EXACTLY where to put the ball in order for his teammates to succeed and score efficiently.

Just a surgeon running an offense.

Good post, sometimes I wonder if people actually seen him play when they evaluate him. He definitely lacks athleticism but his PG skills are elite level, you can't deny that. And BTW, in the month of March (Crunch time) he avg'd 15 and 10 on over .500 fg% so he does have scoring ability.

8305 · Post #44 » by **8305** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 3:20 pm

If the Pacers were able to package their pick, Collison and Hansbrough to move up and get Marshall, would there be a much better scenario for him. A bunch of good offensive players to pass to (George, Granger, Hibbert and West), good defensive players (HIll and George) to switch over to the elite offensive point guards and a very good alternative point guard (Hill) to replace him when he's really struggling.

He seems to be a solid guy, good worker. As noted the place he lands will be critical. Don't know if it could be done but Indiana would make things interesting for him and everyone else in my opinion.

derriko · Post #45 » by **derriko** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 7:32 pm

I would take him at 11 if his best case scenario was Andre Miller, and never look back

xpmar9x · Post #46 » by **xpmar9x** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:21 pm

Marshall has amazing "floor general" abilities, but can't score. I can see him as a 10p/10a type of guy, but I don't see him ever as a "top PG"

8305 · Post #47 » by **8305** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:09 am

In the right situation Marshall could be very valuable. Indiana while in no position to draft him is a good example, a collection of pretty decent finishers, good spot up shooters, versatile defenders. Guys who will be better having a great distributor like Marshall while at the same time capable of covering some of his weaknesses.

TheToothFairy · Post #48 » by **TheToothFairy** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:24 am

Mark Jackson????

noobcake · Post #49 » by **noobcake** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:00 am

You guys seriously don't watch Carolina basketball.

Marshall = Not NBA talent. Out of league after rookie contract. Will be a solid player in Europe.

Barnes = Career 20 minute backup + least athletic actually athletic player in NBA. If he can swallow his ego (which is fricken massive right now, calls himself Black Falcon and already has his own branding logo, look it up) and learn to become a defensive role player, he can be a starting SF for many years.

Henson = 50/50 total bust or solid starter for years.

Zeller = Solid starter, first big off the bench.

Lotto:
Zeller

20's:
Barnes
Henson

2nd Round:
Marshall

Post #50 » by **floppymoose** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:03 am

noobcake wrote:You guys seriously don't watch Carolina basketball.
Marshall = Not NBA talent. Out of league after rookie contract. Will be a solid player in Europe.

That was basically the deal with Marcus Williams (the UConn PG), except he also isn't good enough for Europe. Had to do China instead.

Nonetheless, I'm willing to gamble the #7 pick on Marshall. He's got a little more going for him athletically than Marcus, and a lot more going for him between the ears and in the heart. Henson and Marshall are my two targets at 7.

BIG FURB · Post #51 » by **BIG FURB** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:21 am

noobcake wrote:You guys seriously don't watch Carolina basketball.

Marshall = Not NBA talent. Out of league after rookie contract. Will be a solid player in Europe.

Barnes = Career 20 minute backup + least athletic actually athletic player in NBA. If he can swallow his ego (which is fricken massive right now, calls himself Black Falcon and already has his own branding logo, look it up) and learn to become a defensive role player, he can be a starting SF for many years.

Henson = 50/50 total bust or solid starter for years.

Zeller = Solid starter, first big off the bench.

Lotto:
Zeller

20's:
Barnes
Henson

2nd Round:
Marshall

pass me some of that ish you been smoking man

Superiorblogman · Post #52 » by **Superiorblogman** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:57 am

I have even less confidence in him being a quality player after the combine and his poor lateral quickness. That is alarming for a guard who will be out front of the defense.

karkinos · Post #53 » by **karkinos** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:32 am

i love his game but he doesn't really seem to have the athleticism/speed to really put him at the upper echelon level. he 'might' if he turns into a fantastic shooter, but unlikely.

noobcake · Post #54 » by **noobcake** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:40 am

Superiorblogman wrote:I have even less confidence in him being a quality player after the combine and his poor lateral quickness. That is alarming for a guard who will be out front of the defense.

THANK YOU. I've been saying this all along.

When he has Derek Fisher level of "slow as **** for college" lateral quickness, he is not a NBA player. Hell, he is at his athletic prime.

teamjosh04 · Post #55 » by **teamjosh04** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:33 am

Hes terrible at staying in front of his man, but he does have solid length and a good BBIQ. Does a nice job of stripping balls too. You need a good NBA coach to figure out how to hide him on defense and take advantage of his strengths. Effort is not an issue.

Marshall has always been a favorite of mine since his HS days, but when I watched him in all-star events, it was always obvious he was the worst athlete on the floor. Hes a world class passer and winner though, so Im really interested to see how he translates.

I like the Jose Calderon with shades of Jason Kidd comparisons Ive seen. I want to see him run an NBA offense. He may not rack of the stats, but he very well could do a great job putting his teammates in position to succeed.

Its kind of catch 22 with him. Moving into a higher league with more talent allows him to excel even more on offense by taking advantage of his teammates abilities. He can be very valuable on offense. But at the same time, he gets even worse on defense.

Interesting study, and despite everything, I think late lottery to mid first round is right for him. Best actual PG in the draft.

Ayt · Post #56 » by **Ayt** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:59 am

Jazzfan12 wrote:I don't think his defense matters, guys like Nash, Deron, and Westbrook are horrific defensively and it doesn't effect their team much at all. I'm much more concerned about his inability to make completely open jumpers or finish at the rim.

Westbrook and Deron are horrific defensively?

Ayt · Post #57 » by **Ayt** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:16 am

reapaman wrote:The simple question is: Was Rubio worth a top 5 selection, just based on what we have seen (even if it was only 41 games)?

If the answer is Yes, then Marshall should be up there. Rubio got most of the same strengths and also many of the same negatives this guy got. Marshall got killed like Rubio did with the same stuff like he can't shoot, he can't defend, his passing is overrated, blah blah blah. With all that said, Rubio made the wolves offense way more potent and even the wolves defense was much better with rubio on the floor.

Yes there are some difference between the two such as rubio being a little more explosive and Marshall is more fundamentally sound. With that said If Rubio can have a great impact on a lottery team to the point where they were serious contenders to make a playoff spot earlier in the year, then so can Marshall.

Rubio has the potential to be a defensive beast. He easily has the potential to make numerous All-D teams, and could be the best defense PG in the league at some point. Anyone who didn't see that prior to him entering the NBA wasn't paying attention.

Marshall is an excellent passer, but I don't think he is on the level of Rubio. Rubio would have been absurd playing on that NC squad with those athletes against NCAA competition. Rubio is like a QB who can throw a perfect pass into tight coverage over and over.

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ManualRam · Post #58 » by **ManualRam** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:17 am

Ayt wrote:
Jazzfan12 wrote:I don't think his defense matters, guys like Nash, Deron, and Westbrook are horrific defensively and it doesn't effect their team much at all. I'm much more concerned about his inability to make completely open jumpers or finish at the rim.

Westbrook and Daron are horrific defensively?

nash is probably the best defender out of the 3.
westbrook is pretty bad defensively and it was pretty evident in the finals.

Ayt · Post #59 » by **Ayt** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:33 am

ManualRam wrote:
Ayt wrote:
Jazzfan12 wrote:I don't think his defense matters, guys like Nash, Deron, and Westbrook are horrific defensively and it doesn't effect their team much at all. I'm much more concerned about his inability to make completely open jumpers or finish at the rim.

Westbrook and Daron are horrific defensively?

nash is probably the best defender out of the 3.
westbrook is pretty bad defensively and it was pretty evident in the finals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYcCGhkd ... age#t=295s

ManualRam · Post #60 » by **ManualRam** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:50 am

Ayt wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
Ayt wrote:
Westbrook and Daron are horrific defensively?

nash is probably the best defender out of the 3.
westbrook is pretty bad defensively and it was pretty evident in the finals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYcCGhkd ... age#t=295s

PPP
Nash: .82
Deron: .93
Westbrook: .88

OpFG%
Nash: 39.1%
Deron: 41.7%
Westbrook: 40.6%

IsoPPP
Nash: .76
Deron: .72
Westbrook: .83

PnR PPP
Nash: .76
Deron: .93
Westbrook: .85

and before you argue team defense, phoenix was 24th in the league in D-rating.