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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#41 » by Chosen01 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:09 pm

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Drummond slipped. But he wasn't ever projected as the #1 prospect, was he? I thought Davis had that on lock all along.

This draft is stacked with elite prospects. You can't just completely ignore what your eyes are telling you because the kid's past reputation was off the charts.

He was projected number 1 going into UCONN, it was big "sweepstakes" of where he went just like Wiggins. Anthony Davis was pegged at number 2 and didn't rise until the season started.


You are remembering incorrectly.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/And ... t-history/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ant ... t-history/


These same criticisms have also been made towards Harrison Barnes, Quincy Miller, Perry Jones, Rudy Gay, OJ Mayo, BJ Mullens, Brandan Wright and other super hyped high school prospects that have either underwhelmed in the NBA or have been just terrible.
I usually look at nbadraft.net but I'm sure I saw him at number 1 on their site at one point

Any history for them?
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#42 » by Al Swearengen » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:10 pm

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"He doesn't shoot it great, and he's got zero aura about him."


No aura? Well hells bells. This Wiggins fellow sounds like a total bust.


Hopefully this is a misdiagnosis, similar to Rose's lack of "it". But still, it's a gamble. This aura problem could cripple his future franchise.

And even if he does turn it around, people will question if he took AEDs (Aura Enhancing Drugs).
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#43 » by Rasho_libre » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:11 pm

The only people in for dissapointment are the ones expecting he to be next coming of Lebron. I don't know if people remember Lebron coming in. People need to temper expectations for wiggins, especially day 1 expectations.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#44 » by GlennQuagmire » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:11 pm

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Kyrama wrote:Bring on the butthurt Canadians.


I'm not butthurt. I think he's overrated.


Make that 2.

Not all Canadian people are jaded into thinking Wiggins is some next LeBron and in fact that comment is borderline trolling because if you went into the Raptor forum a lot posters DO realize that he's not some generational talent but of course want him to be successful.


Very True.
But with that out the way you and I both know that there is a big population who do think he will be the next Kobe, Lebron.

Had a discussion the other day with my buddy Cleveland who thinks Mario Bennet is the next KG. LOLOLOL
An fyi I think the guys going to be a bust despite his somewhat impressive preseason. He's a couple double bacon cheeseburgers away from being Eddie Curry.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#45 » by AJ Valliant » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:12 pm

Q C wrote:Why does everyone get in an uproar when a prospect is judged off a practice but not when they are judged by meaningless glorified streetball high school and AAU games? Seriously, when you watch a high school mixtape and its 10 wide open dunks for every 1 skill move/jumpshot jumpshot you shouldn't be surprised to hear stuff like this.


Because in practice you specifically work on things that you are bad at. You take shots from spots that you do not prefer, layup with the wrong hand, post up on the opposite block you prefer....so you can get better at these things. It's not useless information, but it's far from properly representative.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#46 » by flashstinson0 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:12 pm

There have only been 3 GUARANTEED locks to go #1 before their season started or a year before their draft class from what I can remember and that was:

Lebron

Oden

Wall

Wiggins is supposedly to be a lock for #1, but as I said earlier I swear Jabari Parker can get it if he wants it.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#47 » by TONY_YAYO » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:13 pm

B4 the season starts you will have some these miscellaneous scouts coming out saying they see some negatives whatever....Once the season starts we will find out but I dont put much into anymous scouts for a Practice..........Wiggins has had the spotlight on him for the past 2 years and now they see holes in his game whatever they wil be droolng again by the end of the season
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Post#48 » by EuroPacer » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:14 pm

I think it is sad for the kid. He is what, 18? all this pressure on him really can't be helping him at all. If I make the (slightly skewed) comparison with young football players (soccer) here that are tipped to be the next Lord coming. A lot of them fail, if they don't in the first years, then in the later years.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#49 » by flashstinson0 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:19 pm

GlennQuagmire wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:
LLJ wrote:
I'm not butthurt. I think he's overrated.


Make that 2.

Not all Canadian people are jaded into thinking Wiggins is some next LeBron and in fact that comment is borderline trolling because if you went into the Raptor forum a lot posters DO realize that he's not some generational talent but of course want him to be successful.


Very True.
But with that out the way you and I both know that there is a big population who do think he will be the next Kobe, Lebron.

Had a discussion the other day with my buddy Cleveland who thinks Mario Bennet is the next KG. LOLOLOL
An fyi I think the guys going to be a bust despite his somewhat impressive preseason. He's a couple double bacon cheeseburgers away from being Eddie Curry.


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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#50 » by ndnow » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:20 pm

Bay Based wrote:If he ends up being a bust that would be a great lesson learned when it comes to hyping kids up when they're just in HS. All those $150 million endorsement rumors and he ends up being just an average player.


As much as I want wiggin's to be successful watching a major shoe company blow 150$M would be far more satisfying.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#51 » by MKG35 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:21 pm

BubbaTee wrote:Why would anyone judge whether he can or can't shoot based off of practice instead of actual games? During practice Dwight is an 80% FT shooter - in games, not so much.


The example you are using for Howard isn't a good one (and somehow it doesn't make much sense regarding Wiggings), it has to do a lot with his height and the arch he needs to make. That's why smaller guys have a better FT% with exceptions like KD.

Regarding it making sense, Howard does make his shots (again, free throws is something totally different) during practice but not during actual games. Wiggings can't even make his shots during practice, so why would he be more succesful during an actual game with proper/better defense and perhaps double teams.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#52 » by Q C » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:23 pm

AJ Valliant wrote:
Q C wrote:Why does everyone get in an uproar when a prospect is judged off a practice but not when they are judged by meaningless glorified streetball high school and AAU games? Seriously, when you watch a high school mixtape and its 10 wide open dunks for every 1 skill move/jumpshot jumpshot you shouldn't be surprised to hear stuff like this.


Because in practice you specifically work on things that you are bad at. You take shots from spots that you do not prefer, layup with the wrong hand, post up on the opposite block you prefer....so you can get better at these things. It's not useless information, but it's far from properly representative.


No more misrepresentative than watching a standard high school basketball game and trying to use it to determine how good a guy will be in the NBA. A scout would rather sit there and watch a guy struggle practicing what he's bad at than watch him throw down a bunch of easy dunks in your average high school game for determining how good he actually is. Tells you a lot more
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#53 » by miltk » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:25 pm

without knowing or caring what happens to wiggins,,,,,,,,

he may simply be toning down his game to fit in with the other players given all the hype he has coming in
or
self might not choose to hilite wiggins or build the team around him
or
maybe wiggins doesn't have to be hilited on the kansas team,

as opposed to kentucky which is dependent YEARLY on incoming frosh and therefore all the frosh get hilited.
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Post#54 » by flashstinson0 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:28 pm

miltk wrote:without knowing or caring what happens to wiggins,,,,,,,,

he may simply be toning down his game to fit in with the other players given all the hype he has coming in
or
self might not choose to hilite wiggins or build the team around him
or
maybe wiggins doesn't have to be hilited on the kansas team,

as opposed to kentucky which is dependent YEARLY on incoming frosh and therefore all the frosh get hilited.


I think the word you are looking for is HIGHLIGHTED.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#55 » by Joker » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:28 pm

Tim Duncan should've slid to the second round. Zero aura factor.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#56 » by Ricky ROY Rubio » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:37 pm

Parker>>Wiggins>>>everyone else. That being said, the Canadian will go number one because of his athleticism.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#57 » by irie » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:42 pm

Man, people obsess over these kids. I wonder how different his pro career would be if he went relatively unnoticed until college.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#58 » by flashstinson0 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:43 pm

Ricky ROY Rubio wrote:Parker>>Wiggins>>>everyone else. That being said, the Canadian will go number one because of his athleticism.


Stop it, not that much of a gap between Parker, Wiggins and Randle, Randle is a beast, and could creep up and possibly go #1.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#59 » by EddieJonesFan » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:47 pm

Why the hell does it matter whether he's a lock or not before the season has even started? Get a grip, people.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1? 

Post#60 » by MikeLowrey » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:55 pm

I'll take the 100+ other articles about Wiggins being a superstar over one sole practice. He won't be a bust, its just practice man.

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