Pro Comp for Kristap Porzingis

[p0peye]

Channing Frye. Outside shooter, can't pass, can't defend, can't rebound, can swat a shot or two as help defender.

He can dunk a basketball so he already is much more athletic than Frye.

Frye could too at his age, but yes he is springier version of Frye with less post defense.

[mos_def]

Remember when Jan Vesely was dunking on everyone? By the minute, Vesely is a decent rebounder but still has alot of work to do. If Porz is the less athletic Vesely, I dont know if thats a good thing. Just cuz a person comes from Europe it doesnt mean they are the next Nowitski or Stojakovic

[12footrim]

To mention him and Pau in the same sentence without noting that stark difference in BBIQ and passing is just wrong.

He's no-where near as intelligent and skilled as Pau, who was a supreme passer and decision maker.

Porzingis lack of BBIQ raises serious question marks for me.

and Porzingis also appears to be a better 3 point shooter and shotblocker probably even more important skills for the 2015 NBA big man to have.

BTW. Gasol averaged less than 1 assist in his years in Europe. Less than one for a transcendent passer

[12footrim]

Remember when Jan Vesely was dunking on everyone? By the minute, Vesely is a decent rebounder but still has alot of work to do. If Porz is the less athletic Vesely, I dont know if thats a good thing. Just cuz a person comes from Europe it doesnt mean they are the next Nowitski or Stojakovic

They couldn't be more different. Vesely was a proven dud, shot like 15% from 3 and 50% from the FT line at times in Europe. People knew he couldn't throw it in the ocean before he even came over. He was drafted for a high level of athleticism and never developed anything more.

[12footrim]

As I did Mirotic vs porzingis I can add Gasol easily:

Mirotic 2013 vs. Porzingis 2014 vs. Gasol 2001
http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=BGK
http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=259
http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=A2C

Points per minute 0.54 vs 0.49 vs 0.48
Rebounds per minute 0.24 vs 0.22 vs 0.22
Assist per minute 0.05 vs 0.02 vs 0.03
Steals per minute 0.05 vs 0.04 vs 0.05
Blocks per minute 0.02 vs 0.05 vs 0.05
Fouls per minute 0.07 vs 0.13 vs 0.08
Value per minute (kind of per) 0.69 vs 0.50 vs 0.60
Shooting % (1pt, 2pt, 3pt) 78, 59, 35 vs 79, 53, 32 vs 59, 59, 35

As you can see Porzingis and Gasol look quite alike, Gasol being a bit better, he was playing in a much better team though and his minutes were mainly as a SF, while porzingis plays PF mainly. Gasol's development during the year was amazing, while Porzingis is been kind of consistent through the year.

Interesting numbers, the only thing I would caution is that your are comparing a 19 year old Porzingis to a 20 year old Gasol and a 22 year old Mirotic. That age difference might not seen like alot, but a year of physical development makes a huge difference when evaluating these guys.

Player Efficiency Rating
Gasol 15.3 in year 1......21.0 in year 2

Porzingis 19.7 in 34 ACB games.....23.2 in 16 Eurocup


Honestly I can't believe how much people are sleeping on this guy. 7-1 19 year old putting up that kind of production vs European pro's is amazing, probably even more impressive than Towns or Okafors production given the competition. I think the guy is going to be a steal and will be scary when he grows into his body and adds 25lb. You know worst case he's a good shooter and can protect the rim some. Good athleticism as well dunking over 7-3 Tavares who was a draft pick that will be brought over. Looks more like Dirks game than Gasols to me.

[UcanUwill]

Vesely was overrated coming into the draft, but he wasn't a complete dud. Guy was super athletic, very tall for his position which was SF, and he played good perimeter defense. He was a terrible shot, but not an nonexistent one. I think he had potential to become 6'11 Thabo Sefolosha with freak athleticism. He just needed to put serious work into his shot and keep harden his defense.

But Wizards drafted him and immediately placed him at PF, the position he was unable to play even in Europe. They just didn't believe in his shooting. Guy had to not only transition to the NBA, he had to transition of playing completely different position. I think he finally figured it out, but it was too late. And even though hes a decent European bigman now, I think this whole experiment was kinda a waste, because his shot and dribble, tho terrible, was in development and his one main skill was on ball defense. Now its all gone, he still guard wings at times, but he does it less often, and hes nothing more but a garbage bucket man now.

If we go back to 2011, lets say different team drafts Vesely, with completely different plan set for him, I would still have faith.

[No-Man]

Vesely is playing at really high level in Turkey, but he is playing the C, and he was clearly a PF when he was drafted.
He has talent, but he is not that skilled offensively, and he plays as a garbage man, he was drafted in the AK47 mold, and while they are similar is clear that Vesely didnt reach that impact on the floor.
He might go back to the NBA if he keeps playing at this level.

[eyriq]

What about a Rasheed Wallace comp? At the point when he was hitting threes. Or Clifford Robinson in another direction.

[No-Man]

What about a Rasheed Wallace comp? At the point when he was hitting threes. Or Clifford Robinson in another direction.

Cliff makes more sense, Porzingis has not Rasheed fundamentals in the post, nor his strnegth or dfensive IQ, at least not yet.
He is physically more similar to Cliff also, I like that comp, but Kristaps potential is a bit higher, I mean a 7'2 Cliff Robinson is quite a good player.

[mos_def]

What about a Rasheed Wallace comp? At the point when he was hitting threes. Or Clifford Robinson in another direction.

Cliff makes more sense, Porzingis has not Rasheed fundamentals in the post, nor his strnegth or dfensive IQ, at least not yet.
He is physically more similar to Cliff also, I like that comp, but Kristaps potential is a bit higher, I mean a 7'2 Cliff Robinson is quite a good player.

It doesn't matter if he is 7'2'' cuz if he doesn't have girth to maintain position he is just going to get pushed around for a rebound

[No-Man]

strength is a cause of concern, but he is only 19 and has a good frame, wide shoulders, and has had added muscle lately.

[mos_def]

strength is a cause of concern, but he is only 19 and has a good frame, wide shoulders, and has had added muscle lately.

Its nbadraft, but Ive seen others were they say his has narrow shoulders so they question how much mass he can put on
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/kristaps-porzingis

[Ganji]

dude get's way to much hate, will be fun to necro this thread in a year or 2....

[Ganji]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nkX7tv7ZYg[/youtube]

[Zombiesonics]

Really a fan of him. super skilled and young with great size. uncle cliffy is not a good comp, he is like 3 inchs shorter than kp. I see a ton of pau and it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up being the best big in the class

[12footrim]

What about a Rasheed Wallace comp? At the point when he was hitting threes. Or Clifford Robinson in another direction.

Cliff makes more sense, Porzingis has not Rasheed fundamentals in the post, nor his strnegth or dfensive IQ, at least not yet.
He is physically more similar to Cliff also, I like that comp, but Kristaps potential is a bit higher, I mean a 7'2 Cliff Robinson is quite a good player.

It doesn't matter if he is 7'2'' cuz if he doesn't have girth to maintain position he is just going to get pushed around for a rebound

He's 19. Do you think he won't gain mass and strength?

[12footrim]

strength is a cause of concern, but he is only 19 and has a good frame, wide shoulders, and has had added muscle lately.

Its nbadraft, but Ive seen others were they say his has narrow shoulders so they question how much mass he can put on
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/kristaps-porzingis

Draft express says he has a good frame. Regardless anyone is capable of adding musculature to any frame and getting stronger.

[mos_def]

strength is a cause of concern, but he is only 19 and has a good frame, wide shoulders, and has had added muscle lately.

Its nbadraft, but Ive seen others were they say his has narrow shoulders so they question how much mass he can put on
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/kristaps-porzingis

Draft express says he has a good frame. Regardless anyone is capable of adding musculature to any frame and getting stronger.

Not really. Take Brandon Wright for example. He has always been skinny. You can bulk up but if your body structure doesnt allow it you wont get that big, which is why most people look at shoulders to fill in. I dont expect Porzingis to get bigger than 245 tops, which is still small for a player his size and players around him will be getting just as big/stronger with him

[majortom71]

What about a Rasheed Wallace comp? At the point when he was hitting threes. Or Clifford Robinson in another direction.

Cliff makes more sense, Porzingis has not Rasheed fundamentals in the post, nor his strnegth or dfensive IQ, at least not yet.
He is physically more similar to Cliff also, I like that comp, but Kristaps potential is a bit higher, I mean a 7'2 Cliff Robinson is quite a good player.

It doesn't matter if he is 7'2'' cuz if he doesn't have girth to maintain position he is just going to get pushed around for a rebound

That's exactly it, I mean height don't matter if you are weak amongst other bigs, just ask Shawn Bradley.

[djphan]

cliff robinson isn't a bad comp but he's lacking in alot of the skills that he had... namely dribbling and passing.. he'll be somewhere in between daye and robinson... which gives u someone a lot like bargnani...