Jonathan Jeanne

[12footrim]

Maybe a bit like Thon Maker but with a lower athletic ceiling and upside at different respective positions? FWIW, in time, I don't think either will ever be much more than 8th-9th bench players in the NBA. Just too much ground to make up in BBIQ and feel for the game at the NBA pace.

Or Hasheem Thabeet, maybe?

Thon has been starting and playing 5-20 minutes a night for us since before the ASB. His ceiling is much closer to Perennial All-Star than it is to 8th-9th man.

That's a leap if I've ever heard one. Rookie classes every year have plenty of guys with similar statistical profiles and impact if not superior ones and far far more fizzle out of the NBA or never amount to anything more than the few that ever pan out to being an All Star. This guy also has the suspicion he's could be 24 years old on top of it which would make that less of a realistic reality.

[SlowPaced]

I haven't seen this dude play, but based on what I've heard and read, he seems to be a Lucas Nogueira type.

Nogueira really figured it out defensively this season but he's trash on offense.

[doordoor123]

I haven't seen this dude play, but based on what I've heard and read, he seems to be a Lucas Nogueira type.

Nogueira really figured it out defensively this season but he's trash on offense.

If you haven't watched him play, how do you think he's a Nogueira type? Because I don't see that at all. Jeanne is more of a PF than C.

[SlowPaced]

I haven't seen this dude play, but based on what I've heard and read, he seems to be a Lucas Nogueira type.

Nogueira really figured it out defensively this season but he's trash on offense.

If you haven't watched him play, how do you think he's a Nogueira type? Because I don't see that at all. Jeanne is more of a PF than C.

I wrote "based on what I've heard and read" for a reason.

[doordoor123]

I haven't seen this dude play, but based on what I've heard and read, he seems to be a Lucas Nogueira type.

Nogueira really figured it out defensively this season but he's trash on offense.

If you haven't watched him play, how do you think he's a Nogueira type? Because I don't see that at all. Jeanne is more of a PF than C.

I wrote "based on what I've heard and read" for a reason.

No, I got that. But I also don't trust the stuff you've heard and read because I think there are a lot of people out there giving bad information on Jeanne specifically.

[retrobro90]

Theres some pretty basic stuff that could make Jeanne really deadly as an NBA pro. He just needs to build chemistry and work on his timing out of the PnR but he would be such a threat given his size/length and quickness. I like him as a prospect because it seems like most of his weaknesses are correctable with good coaching and experience.

[EvanZ]

As I predicted Jeanne opened up a lot of eyes at the Combine. We're looking at one of the most intriguing guys in this Draft, who could move way, way up. Maybe even a lottery pick after he works out with teams.

[Showtime:Part2]

Are you trolling again or is this a real take?

Do you watch basketball or nah?

Yeah, but I'm not sure we're watching the same game. Are we talking about the Ingram that shot 62% from the free throw line, 29% on 3s, 47.4% TS overall, 8.5 PER, and ranked #459 in RPM this season? That Ingram?

Because that Ingram was terrible as a rookie on both ends of the court. He shows some flashes of something, but he's very far from being a useful NBA player.

But, of course, now you'll tell me you were trolling. Just as you did a few years after telling me Jimmer would be an All-Star.

13 and 4 on 52% ts post asb w terrific d vs 8 and 4 on 45% pre asb. Do your homework first

[EvanZ]

Do you watch basketball or nah?

Yeah, but I'm not sure we're watching the same game. Are we talking about the Ingram that shot 62% from the free throw line, 29% on 3s, 47.4% TS overall, 8.5 PER, and ranked #459 in RPM this season? That Ingram?

Because that Ingram was terrible as a rookie on both ends of the court. He shows some flashes of something, but he's very far from being a useful NBA player.

But, of course, now you'll tell me you were trolling. Just as you did a few years after telling me Jimmer would be an All-Star.

13 and 4 on 52% ts post asb w terrific d vs 8 and 4 on 45% pre asb. Do your homework first

Uh, ok. Am I supposed to be impressed by more minutes and slightly more efficient half-season? Because I'm not.

[dorkestra]

I really like Jonathan Jeanne. I am tricking myself into seeing a little bit of Rudy. The agility and length combination is enticing.

[GimmeDat]

He's going to have to put on a fair bit of weight, but the tools are there.

From the recent hype around him he sounds like a definite 1st rounder.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Definitely needs to put on some considerable weight imo. I'd be hesitant to play him in a NBA game if I were a coach based on where he is right now.

[dorkestra]

If you're picking late lotto or mid teens, there isn't a higher ceiling guy you could take IMO. We'll look back in a few years and wonder how he wasn't consensus top five. He'll be a hell of a lot better than Isaac, Monk, either Collins, and any other big man in this draft will be, IMO.

[Catchall]

He's a polarizing prospect, a bit like Thon Maker last year.....which, as it turns out, might serve as a rough comp for him as a player at this stage.

[EvanZ]

He's light enough to be a 4 today, he'll definitely be a 5 in time. You're looking at Rudy Gobert with better shot, better mobility, and handles.

[KqWIN]

I'd caution the Rudy Gobert comparison. It's an easy connection to make, but there's a lot more to Rudy Gobert than his measurables.

I don't really now much about his mental makeup, but that will be key here. He's going to need to have a great deal of work ethic, passion, and desire to be great. That's true for every prospect, but especially guys for prospects like this. If he gets discouraged he could flame out of the league quickly.

[doordoor123]

I'd caution the Rudy Gobert comparison. It's an easy connection to make, but there's a lot more to Rudy Gobert than his measurables.

I don't really now much about his mental makeup, but that will be key here. He's going to need to have a great deal of work ethic, passion, and desire to be great. That's true for every prospect, but especially guys for prospects like this. If he gets discouraged he could flame out of the league quickly.

To learn the footwork and to have a jump shot shows more dedication than Gobert had. Gobert was pretty much just a guy with great measureables.

[KqWIN]

I'd caution the Rudy Gobert comparison. It's an easy connection to make, but there's a lot more to Rudy Gobert than his measurables.

I don't really now much about his mental makeup, but that will be key here. He's going to need to have a great deal of work ethic, passion, and desire to be great. That's true for every prospect, but especially guys for prospects like this. If he gets discouraged he could flame out of the league quickly.

To learn the footwork and to have a jump shot shows more dedication than Gobert had. Gobert was pretty much just a guy with great measureables.

I completely disagree. Being a better shooter or more skillful player does not show that you have more dedication. Different players work on different things, and there's a great deal of natural ability involved with all skills.

[doordoor123]

I'd caution the Rudy Gobert comparison. It's an easy connection to make, but there's a lot more to Rudy Gobert than his measurables.

I don't really now much about his mental makeup, but that will be key here. He's going to need to have a great deal of work ethic, passion, and desire to be great. That's true for every prospect, but especially guys for prospects like this. If he gets discouraged he could flame out of the league quickly.

To learn the footwork and to have a jump shot shows more dedication than Gobert had. Gobert was pretty much just a guy with great measureables.

I completely disagree. Being a better shooter or more skillful player does not show that you have more dedication. Different players work on different things, and there's a great deal of natural ability involved with all skills.

Lol what? How are you disagreeing with me? A better shooter when you're 7'2 you can just dominate the game by standing next to the basket, but he learned to shoot. He also has good footwork in the post. None of that is natural ability. Shooting is repetition and muscle memeory. Post game is actually really hard and why a lot of centers have a hard time learning how to play in the post.

[KqWIN]

Lol what? How are you disagreeing with me? A better shooter when you're 7'2 you can just dominate the game by standing next to the basket, but he learned to shoot. He also has good footwork in the post. None of that is natural ability. Shooting is repetition and muscle memeory. Post game is actually really hard and why a lot of centers have a hard time learning how to play in the post.

I find it ridiculous to say that one player is more dedicated because he is more skilled. Michael Beasley is infinitely more skilled than someone like Tony Allen, but that doesn't mean he is more dedicated to becoming a better player. Take a look at all the D-League guys that are just a shot away from being an NBA caliber players. You can bet that those guys are working everyday to become a better shooter, but there's still going to be guys that will better shooters after putting in a fraction of the work.

Skill development requires hard work, but hard work doesn't guarantee skill development. People always say that shooting can be taught, and while that's true it doesn't mean that everyone can be taught. Most guys that can't shoot coming into the league end up not being able to shoot, and it's not because they didn't work at it. The ones that do improve are the exceptions. If all took to become a great shooter was hard work, there would be a whole lot more great shooters in the league.

They are completely different players coming into the league, which is why I'm lukewarm on the comparison. If you want to say that Jeanne is more dedicated to becoming a better jump shooter, fine, but that doesn't mean he has a better work ethic than Gobert. That because it isn't a part of Gobert's game. If Gobert had been working on his post moves and shooting ability this whole time he'd either still be in the D-League or back in Europe.

Also, you don't just dominate the game because you're 7'2. If that's the case, you could just as easily say that Jeanne is lazy and doesn't want to dominate the game. He shoots >50% from the field, hardly domination.