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Re: Gary Trent Jr. 

Post#41 » by Killboard » Fri May 4, 2018 7:02 pm

He was an elite 3pt shooter for a freshman and is arguably the best 3pt shooter in the last 2 drafts (AlongMarkannen). Not one who can create his own shot but still a valuable asset in the NBA, and he has enough physical tools to translate. At his age that's a pretty good floor.

If he can be average on defense he will have a spot in the league, even as a role starter. That's enough to be considered late 1st IMO. If he can develop his on ball skills and defense his ceiling could be even higher.
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Post#42 » by Duke4life831 » Fri May 4, 2018 7:07 pm

Killboard wrote:He was an elite 3pt shooter for a freshman and is arguably the best 3pt shooter in the last 2 drafts (AlongMarkannen). Not one who can create his own shot but still a valuable asset in the NBA, and he has enough physical tools to translate. At his age that's a pretty good floor.

If he can be average on defense he will have a spot in the league, even as a role starter. That's enough to be considered late 1st IMO. If he can develop his on ball skills and defense his ceiling could be even higher.


He isnt even the best shooter to come out of Duke in the last 2 years. Luke Kennard is the far superior shooter than Trent. Trent is an extremely streaky shooter. He couldnt hit the broad side of a barn the first month and a half and last month and a half of the season. Hell I trust Grayson Allen as a shooter more than I do with Trent. Grayson is far better at shooting on the move and is far superior moving off the ball and creating space that way.
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Re: Gary Trent Jr. 

Post#43 » by clyde21 » Fri May 4, 2018 7:09 pm

I don't think I have him in my top 10 SGs, to be honest, but it is a pretty deep SG class.
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Re: Gary Trent Jr. 

Post#44 » by Killboard » Fri May 4, 2018 7:17 pm

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Killboard wrote:He was an elite 3pt shooter for a freshman and is arguably the best 3pt shooter in the last 2 drafts (AlongMarkannen). Not one who can create his own shot but still a valuable asset in the NBA, and he has enough physical tools to translate. At his age that's a pretty good floor.

If he can be average on defense he will have a spot in the league, even as a role starter. That's enough to be considered late 1st IMO. If he can develop his on ball skills and defense his ceiling could be even higher.


He isnt even the best shooter to come out of Duke in the last 2 years. Luke Kennard is the far superior shooter than Trent. Trent is an extremely streaky shooter. He couldnt hit the broad side of a barn the first month and a half and last month and a half of the season. Hell I trust Grayson Allen as a shooter more than I do with Trent. Grayson is far better at shooting on the move and is far superior moving off the ball and creating space that way.


Shoots on the move are bad shots if you arent superstar, so I dont care about those. Moving off the ball matters though. But what you arent factoring is age. How good of a shooter was Allen as a freshman?
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Post#45 » by Duke4life831 » Fri May 4, 2018 7:23 pm

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Killboard wrote:He was an elite 3pt shooter for a freshman and is arguably the best 3pt shooter in the last 2 drafts (AlongMarkannen). Not one who can create his own shot but still a valuable asset in the NBA, and he has enough physical tools to translate. At his age that's a pretty good floor.

If he can be average on defense he will have a spot in the league, even as a role starter. That's enough to be considered late 1st IMO. If he can develop his on ball skills and defense his ceiling could be even higher.


He isnt even the best shooter to come out of Duke in the last 2 years. Luke Kennard is the far superior shooter than Trent. Trent is an extremely streaky shooter. He couldnt hit the broad side of a barn the first month and a half and last month and a half of the season. Hell I trust Grayson Allen as a shooter more than I do with Trent. Grayson is far better at shooting on the move and is far superior moving off the ball and creating space that way.


Shoots on the move are bad shots if you arent superstar, so I dont care about those. Moving off the ball matters though. But what you arent factoring is age. How good of a shooter was Allen as a freshman?


When I say shoots on the move, I mean with their feet not planted, like curling off a screen while moving without the ball. Grayson was always a really good shooter. Again my main thing is Trent is just a very inconsistent shooter. He has always been an inconsistent shooter. Im just saying if you are expecting Trent to be the best shooter in this draft and the previous draft combined, I think youre going to be greatly disappointed.
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Post#46 » by Killboard » Fri May 4, 2018 7:43 pm

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He isnt even the best shooter to come out of Duke in the last 2 years. Luke Kennard is the far superior shooter than Trent. Trent is an extremely streaky shooter. He couldnt hit the broad side of a barn the first month and a half and last month and a half of the season. Hell I trust Grayson Allen as a shooter more than I do with Trent. Grayson is far better at shooting on the move and is far superior moving off the ball and creating space that way.


Shoots on the move are bad shots if you arent superstar, so I dont care about those. Moving off the ball matters though. But what you arent factoring is age. How good of a shooter was Allen as a freshman?


When I say shoots on the move, I mean with their feet not planted, like curling off a screen while moving without the ball. Grayson was always a really good shooter. Again my main thing is Trent is just a very inconsistent shooter. He has always been an inconsistent shooter. Im just saying if you are expecting Trent to be the best shooter in this draft and the previous draft combined, I think youre going to be greatly disappointed.


So he shot over 200 3pt attempts over .400 %, over .85 from the stripe but he is inconsistent. So if he reaches consistent levels what % we are going to be talking about?

This is a list of all the players who averaged 6 3pt attemtps, over .400 % and +1 DBPM since 2010-11: Jamal Murray, Russell and Trent Jr.

Edit: I should have said all the freshmen since 2010-2011.
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Post#47 » by Duke4life831 » Fri May 4, 2018 7:50 pm

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Shoots on the move are bad shots if you arent superstar, so I dont care about those. Moving off the ball matters though. But what you arent factoring is age. How good of a shooter was Allen as a freshman?


When I say shoots on the move, I mean with their feet not planted, like curling off a screen while moving without the ball. Grayson was always a really good shooter. Again my main thing is Trent is just a very inconsistent shooter. He has always been an inconsistent shooter. Im just saying if you are expecting Trent to be the best shooter in this draft and the previous draft combined, I think youre going to be greatly disappointed.


So he shot over 200 3pt attempts over .400 %, over .85 from the stripe but he is inconsistent. So if he reaches consistent levels what % we are going to be talking about?

This is a list of all the players who averaged 6 3pt attemtps, over .400 % and +1 DBPM since 2010-11: Jamal Murray, Russell and Trent Jr.


Yes he was streaky, the same way Malik Monk was a streaky shooter. Monk shot 7 3s a game and shot at a 40% clip but he was very streaky. Again for about 2-3 months Trent couldnt throw it in the ocean, then for 2 months he was on fire and couldnt miss. JR Smith shot 37% from 3 this year and 40% from 3 2 years ago. I would call JR Smith a streaky shooter.
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Re: Gary Trent Jr. 

Post#48 » by Catchall » Mon May 21, 2018 8:36 pm

Trent Jr. had a nice Combine. His game is similar to Devin Booker's, imo.

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Re: Gary Trent Jr. 

Post#49 » by GimmeDat » Tue May 22, 2018 7:50 am

Trent Jr. is tough to evaluate for sure. I think he feels a bit smaller than he is, I was surprised by his measurements because he feels like an undersized, poorly framed 2, but he's not that bad at all dimensions wise. He probably has more all-around scoring game than I'd have usually given him credit for as well. I'm still not really sold on him as a 1st rounder though.. there's lots of good players in this draft and the ones with question marks shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt over the guys that produced.

Came away positively from his showing at the combine, he looked good, and for a guy people are still trying to decipher, that likely helps his stock, imo.
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Re: Gary Trent Jr. 

Post#50 » by SeattleJazzFan » Tue May 22, 2018 2:45 pm

the streaky criticism is funny. how does one measure that? Trent is streaky. Who in the draft isn't streaky?

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