Franz Wagner, Michigan

[Wizop]

I like him a lot for my Pacers at 13.

[CptCrunch]

Don't see it mentioned, but I just learned from Wiki that this is the brother of NBA first rounder Moe Wagner.

[Sactowndog]

Not arguing that he's not a lotto pick, but he's far from being a knock down shooter. 35.7% from 3pt and 83.1% make him average. He was also only at 31.1% 3pt from his freshman year, but posted 83.3% from the line.

2-16 during the tournament isn't so great.. especially when it looks like he lost confidence in his shot today.

maybe follow his whole career? he was a knockdown shooter at age 17 starting games for a pro team in Germany, 39% from 3 and almost 90% from the FT

That's on 125 attempts from 3 btw

In 67 games he averaged 13mpg: 5.6pts. He attempted 1.87 3s/game and 0.97 FTs. You rounded his percentages up, he was at 38.4% from 3pt and 89.2% from FT.

I think the context is needed. So you have a 3 year sample size that suggests he's an average shooter at best.


ALSO PSA, when we look at college prospects, we look at college stats. I know playing professional is different than playing in the pro, but NO ONE looks at stats before college, especially when he was only 17.

Vlade?

89.2% from the line isn’t average and for growing kids free throw shooting is more predictive than college 3 point percentage

[76ciology]

Super high on this guy.

He’s top 5 on my mockboard.

1- Green
2- Cade
3- Kuminga
4-Suggs
5- Wagner

He’s not yet a good scorer but I can see him being one down the road.

He does it all.

Defense, rebounds, post up, run pick and roll and even catch and shoot.

[RookieStar]

May I ask what is the word on him?

He wasnt in the combine for measurements and all. Plus Don't think he talked with any teams yet?

[76ciology]

May I ask what is the word on him?

He wasnt in the combine for measurements and all. Plus Don't think he talked with any teams yet?

I think the issue with him is he’s not shown any ability to be neither a volume scorer (20+ppg) nor a defensive anchor. So many projects him to be a role player.

Rather, I look at him and see a guy with the tools and foundation to be a really good 2 way wing in the league.

For instance, I think his 80+FT%, mismatch against most wings (length+mobility) and ability to run PnR will eventually make him a good scorer in the league. Possibly as good as Celts or Hornets version of Hayward.

[DCasey91]

He has so much of Slowmo Kyle Anderson and Slowmo Joe Ingles to his game similar body types even has the head bob like Kyle does lol. Porter different body type had a wetter and a half and wasn’t a playmaker at all. Wags needs to get his shot down pat but the signs are very well there.

Like a 12/5/4/1/0.5 on 38% 3 do it all guy that’s a positive on defense and offense is value town for teams.

Can’t see the high level volume scoring when he’s more the beneficiary (pretty high assisted scores though does finish the play at a very high %).

Secondary ball-handler on the wing? Yes.

His impact will be more or less advanced (eye test) over just raw accumulation. He’ll
probably be a adv metric stats darling.

I mean both Ingles and Anderson could be shooting 33% from 3 or sub 40% even less in a game yet still can impact the game in a whole variety of ways.

After watching Fiba games, the NBA court sizes are massive in comparison.

He’s very good but I don’t see star quality in him. A very nice roleplayer add that scales higher depending on team.

[RookieStar]

May I ask what is the word on him?

He wasnt in the combine for measurements and all. Plus Don't think he talked with any teams yet?

I think the issue with him is he’s not shown any ability to be neither a volume scorer (20+ppg) nor a defensive anchor. So many projects him to be a role player.

Rather, I look at him and see a guy with the tools and foundation to be a really good 2 way wing in the league.

For instance, I think his 80+FT%, mismatch against most wings (length+mobility) and ability to run PnR will eventually make him a good scorer in the league. Possibly as good as Celts or Hornets version of Hayward.

Ummm lol I was asking where he is, where he is working out or what not. I mean he seemed to disappeaer.

[DCasey91]

May I ask what is the word on him?

He wasnt in the combine for measurements and all. Plus Don't think he talked with any teams yet?

I think the issue with him is he’s not shown any ability to be neither a volume scorer (20+ppg) nor a defensive anchor. So many projects him to be a role player.

Rather, I look at him and see a guy with the tools and foundation to be a really good 2 way wing in the league.

For instance, I think his 80+FT%, mismatch against most wings (length+mobility) and ability to run PnR will eventually make him a good scorer in the league. Possibly as good as Celts or Hornets version of Hayward.

Ummm lol I was asking where he is, where he is working out or what not. I mean he seemed to disappeaer.

I think he’s gotten the green light to shut it down from scouts and focus on the off-season. He’s mocked in the top ten range for a long while and his measurables are impressive for a wing.

I mean with Franz he’s very good just it’s extremely hard picturing him having massive development curve improvements (shot is the main one of course).

Can he be a 20ppg scorer? Probably not.

38% 3 ball is the magic marker on medium volume.

[RookieStar]

I think the issue with him is he’s not shown any ability to be neither a volume scorer (20+ppg) nor a defensive anchor. So many projects him to be a role player.

Rather, I look at him and see a guy with the tools and foundation to be a really good 2 way wing in the league.

For instance, I think his 80+FT%, mismatch against most wings (length+mobility) and ability to run PnR will eventually make him a good scorer in the league. Possibly as good as Celts or Hornets version of Hayward.

Ummm lol I was asking where he is, where he is working out or what not. I mean he seemed to disappeaer.

I think he’s gotten the green light to shut it down from scouts and focus on the off-season. He’s mocked in the top ten range for a long while and his measurables are impressive for a wing.

I mean with Franz he’s very good just it’s extremely hard picturing him having massive development curve improvements (shot is the main one of course).

Can he be a 20ppg scorer? Probably not.

38% 3 ball is the magic marker on medium volume.

I mean he didnt even had himself measured. Its a mistake to "hide" during these process. From a probable top-10... he could be outside the lotto cu his "rivals" are raising their stocks.

[DCasey91]

I don’t think he’s hiding at all for me personally. It’s just that with Franz you kind of know what prospect your are getting. There’s plenty of tape on him.

The shot consistency is the main focus that’s basically it. It’s kinda boring but scouts have way more info and knowledge than us.

[RookieStar]

I don’t think he’s hiding at all for me personally. It’s just that with Franz you kind of know what prospect your are getting. There’s plenty of tape on him.

The shot consistency is the main focus that’s basically it. It’s kinda boring but scouts have way more info and knowledge than us.

Still my point was he is missing his chance to go up in the rankings and might even fall down if he doesnt do anything to impress. So why would you not join the combine and stuff? Its understandable if your cade mobley suggs green. In fact i was surprised Kuminga showed up.. even Barnes.

[kobyz]

Luol Deng

[EvanZ]

I think he's more Mike Dunleavy.

[God Squad]

I don’t think he’s hiding at all for me personally. It’s just that with Franz you kind of know what prospect your are getting. There’s plenty of tape on him.

The shot consistency is the main focus that’s basically it. It’s kinda boring but scouts have way more info and knowledge than us.

Still my point was he is missing his chance to go up in the rankings and might even fall down if he doesnt do anything to impress. So why would you not join the combine and stuff? Its understandable if your cade mobley suggs green. In fact i was surprised Kuminga showed up.. even Barnes.

These two are arguably fighting for the same draft spots, and both had to show improvement in their jumper.

[RookieStar]

I don’t think he’s hiding at all for me personally. It’s just that with Franz you kind of know what prospect your are getting. There’s plenty of tape on him.

The shot consistency is the main focus that’s basically it. It’s kinda boring but scouts have way more info and knowledge than us.

Still my point was he is missing his chance to go up in the rankings and might even fall down if he doesnt do anything to impress. So why would you not join the combine and stuff? Its understandable if your cade mobley suggs green. In fact i was surprised Kuminga showed up.. even Barnes.

These two are arguably fighting for the same draft spots, and both had to show improvement in their jumper.

True. But at worst you gotta think they know 8 is the lowest they would go while if you are Wagner there is a chance you drop.out of the lotto. I mean from 5-8 is what? 2m lost earnings? while a possible 7 to 15th could be... i dunno more than 5m?

[God Squad]

Still my point was he is missing his chance to go up in the rankings and might even fall down if he doesnt do anything to impress. So why would you not join the combine and stuff? Its understandable if your cade mobley suggs green. In fact i was surprised Kuminga showed up.. even Barnes.

These two are arguably fighting for the same draft spots, and both had to show improvement in their jumper.

True. But at worst you gotta think they know 8 is the lowest they would go while if you are Wagner there is a chance you drop.out of the lotto. I mean from 5-8 is what? 2m lost earnings? while a possible 7 to 15th could be... i dunno more than 5m?

Oh I agree Wagner should have measured out. I was just pointing out why Kuminga and Barnes should be there. Even though IMO Kuminga and Barnes are pretty locked into that 5-7 range.

[Big J]

How does Wagner compare to Bogdanovic?

[Nate the Great]

The thing I don’t get about Wagner is that so many draft sites list perimeter shooting as one of his strengths. I didn’t see that in the games I watched, and his three point shooting percentages for the last two seasons haven’t backed that up either. Am I missing something?

[WargamesX]

These two are arguably fighting for the same draft spots, and both had to show improvement in their jumper.

True. But at worst you gotta think they know 8 is the lowest they would go while if you are Wagner there is a chance you drop.out of the lotto. I mean from 5-8 is what? 2m lost earnings? while a possible 7 to 15th could be... i dunno more than 5m?

Oh I agree Wagner should have measured out. I was just pointing out why Kuminga and Barnes should be there. Even though IMO Kuminga and Barnes are pretty locked into that 5-7 range.

I been watching Wagner and I yeah even missing the combine I doubt he falls out the lottery. He’s a solid 7-15 range and there isn’t much he can do to go above that. Even if he measures a great wingspan and shoots the 3 consistently that is his range.