Where would you rank Cade compared to past #1s

[lars_rosenberg]

Wiggins was super-hyped, don't let his NBA career distort your judgement.
Only Zion and AD were more hyped.
Ayton was probably the less hyped besides Bennet who doesn't even belong in the list.
Luka was the obvious top prospect, he even won the European Cup with Slovenia at 18 being the tournament MVP.
The reasoning of his detractors were beyond stupid. Stuff like "he already peaked, he has low ceiling". Yeah he peaked at 18

[Bball_Truth]

1. Anthony Davis
2. Zion Williamson
3. Cade Cunningham
4. Ben Simmons
5. Deandre Ayton
6. Andrew Wiggins
7. Anthony Edwards
8. Karl-Anthony Towns
9. Kyrie Irving
10. Markelle Fultz
11. Anthony Bennett

[stormi]

Pre draft evals only:

1) AD
2) Simmons
3) Kyrie
4) Zion
5) Fultz
6) Cade
7) Wiggins
8) Edwards
9) Ayton
10) Bennett

[CptCrunch]

Pretty low as I don't like Cade as a prospect.

1 Davis
2 Irving

3 Zion
4 Towns
5 Simmons

6 Fultz
7 Ayton
8 Wiggins
9 Edwards

10 Cade

11 Bennett

I think lots are underrating Wiggins in this thread. Pre draft, that was a stacked draft.

Edwards is overrated by most. Weakest draft next to the bennett draft and he still wasn't clear #1.

Some of the biggest Wiggins haters back then now hate Cade.

Looks like I'm the only one who was right. Very low tier #1 pick.

[MotownMadness]

He looks horrible right now. Good prospect but not a good #1 pick. Hopefully he turns it around and puts all this talk behind him but dammit

[azcatz11]

He looks horrible right now. Good prospect but not a good #1 pick. Hopefully he turns it around and puts all this talk behind him but dammit

Why has he looked bad? His numbers seem good on basketball reference

[MotownMadness]

He looks horrible right now. Good prospect but not a good #1 pick. Hopefully he turns it around and puts all this talk behind him but dammit

Why has he looked bad? His numbers seem good on basketball reference

He can't shoot or score inside against anyone. Im sure he'll step it up but he doesn't even try to take over.

I know thats not his style but damn we need something from him.

[EMG518]

Pretty low as I don't like Cade as a prospect.

1 Davis
2 Irving

3 Zion
4 Towns
5 Simmons

6 Fultz
7 Ayton
8 Wiggins
9 Edwards

10 Cade

11 Bennett

I think lots are underrating Wiggins in this thread. Pre draft, that was a stacked draft.

Edwards is overrated by most. Weakest draft next to the bennett draft and he still wasn't clear #1.

Some of the biggest Wiggins haters back then now hate Cade.

Looks like I'm the only one who was right. Very low tier #1 pick.

You had Kyrie as the same level prospect as Anthony Davis? And ahead of Zion?

And what are you right based on?

He has barely started his second season, you are going to say right now he has a worse career than Simmons, Wiggins, Fultz, Ayton, Towns and Edwards, all of them?

[CptCrunch]

Pretty low as I don't like Cade as a prospect.

1 Davis
2 Irving

3 Zion
4 Towns
5 Simmons

6 Fultz
7 Ayton
8 Wiggins
9 Edwards

10 Cade

11 Bennett



Some of the biggest Wiggins haters back then now hate Cade.

Looks like I'm the only one who was right. Very low tier #1 pick.

You had Kyrie as the same level prospect as Anthony Davis? And ahead of Zion?

And what are you right based on?

He has barely started his second season, you are going to say right now he has a worse career than Simmons, Wiggins, Fultz, Ayton, Towns and Edwards, all of them?

This is retrospective forward looking pre-draft ranking, not about how their careers turned out.

Just indicating that while everyone was calling Wiggins the next (Maple) Jordan, I considered him a crap tier prospect at #1. I was the original and biggest Wiggins hater a whole year before his draft.

And the next time I differed strongly from consensus for #1 is with Cade, who I considered not eligible for #1. Usually #1 pick have some strong argument for their pick even for failed picks like Fultz and Simmons, who were both clear best prospects their year pre-draft.

I thought Irving would be better than he turned out.

[reanimator]

He looks horrible right now. Good prospect but not a good #1 pick. Hopefully he turns it around and puts all this talk behind him but dammit

Why has he looked bad? His numbers seem good on basketball reference

Early in a NBA season you get two crowds 1. chest beaters who claim they had some foresight because of small samples 2. overreactors who think the world is crashing based on a small sample

Some pistons fans are mad because they thought Cade in year 2 was going to turn into Luka and anchor a playoff team

I'm old enough to remember when the obsession with Cade's imminent failure was his assist to turnover ratio

[CptCrunch]

He looks horrible right now. Good prospect but not a good #1 pick. Hopefully he turns it around and puts all this talk behind him but dammit

Why has he looked bad? His numbers seem good on basketball reference

Early in a NBA season you get two crowds 1. chest beaters who claim they had some foresight because of small samples 2. overreactors who think the world is crashing based on a small sample

Some pistons fans are mad because they thought Cade in year 2 was going to turn into Luka and anchor a playoff team

I'm old enough to remember when the obsession with Cade's imminent failure was his assist to turnover ratio

His ATO is still pure garbage and will likely regress to last year's numbers or around there

[reanimator]

Why has he looked bad? His numbers seem good on basketball reference

Early in a NBA season you get two crowds 1. chest beaters who claim they had some foresight because of small samples 2. overreactors who think the world is crashing based on a small sample

Some pistons fans are mad because they thought Cade in year 2 was going to turn into Luka and anchor a playoff team

I'm old enough to remember when the obsession with Cade's imminent failure was his assist to turnover ratio

His ATO is still pure garbage and will likely regress to last year's numbers or around there

I wouldn't call a 2:1 ratio bad but I understand you must move the goal post.

[EMG518]

Looks like I'm the only one who was right. Very low tier #1 pick.

You had Kyrie as the same level prospect as Anthony Davis? And ahead of Zion?

And what are you right based on?

He has barely started his second season, you are going to say right now he has a worse career than Simmons, Wiggins, Fultz, Ayton, Towns and Edwards, all of them?

This is retrospective forward looking pre-draft ranking, not about how their careers turned out.

Just indicating that while everyone was calling Wiggins the next (Maple) Jordan, I considered him a crap tier prospect at #1. I was the original and biggest Wiggins hater a whole year before his draft.

And the next time I differed strongly from consensus for #1 is with Cade, who I considered not eligible for #1. Usually #1 pick have some strong argument for their pick even for failed picks like Fultz and Simmons, who were both clear best prospects their year pre-draft.

I thought Irving would be better than he turned out.

You literally make zero sense and contradict yourself. You are claiming that you are right and that certain players are low tier #1 picks based on performance obviously, the only way you can judge at this point you were right but yet you claim it's not about how their careers turn out.

You didn't answer the second part, you thought AD was the same level of prospect as Kyrie and had Kyrie over Zion, this is what you are stating?

[clyde21]

Pretty low as I don't like Cade as a prospect.

1 Davis
2 Irving

3 Zion
4 Towns
5 Simmons

6 Fultz
7 Ayton
8 Wiggins
9 Edwards

10 Cade

11 Bennett

I think lots are underrating Wiggins in this thread. Pre draft, that was a stacked draft.

Edwards is overrated by most. Weakest draft next to the bennett draft and he still wasn't clear #1.

Some of the biggest Wiggins haters back then now hate Cade.

Looks like I'm the only one who was right. Very low tier #1 pick.

i love how you think ranking Fultz a whole tier above Cade makes you right.

[CptCrunch]

You had Kyrie as the same level prospect as Anthony Davis? And ahead of Zion?

And what are you right based on?

He has barely started his second season, you are going to say right now he has a worse career than Simmons, Wiggins, Fultz, Ayton, Towns and Edwards, all of them?

This is retrospective forward looking pre-draft ranking, not about how their careers turned out.

Just indicating that while everyone was calling Wiggins the next (Maple) Jordan, I considered him a crap tier prospect at #1. I was the original and biggest Wiggins hater a whole year before his draft.

And the next time I differed strongly from consensus for #1 is with Cade, who I considered not eligible for #1. Usually #1 pick have some strong argument for their pick even for failed picks like Fultz and Simmons, who were both clear best prospects their year pre-draft.

I thought Irving would be better than he turned out.

You literally make zero sense and contradict yourself. You are claiming that you are right and that certain players are low tier #1 picks based on performance obviously, the only way you can judge at this point you were right but yet you claim it's not about how their careers turn out.

You didn't answer the second part, you thought AD was the same level of prospect as Kyrie and had Kyrie over Zion, this is what you are stating?

There is no contradiction, you are injecting your own post facto bias into this.

Yes, the players are listed in how I would have drafted them if there were in the same draft after their last year in college.

Cade was clearly not a #1 pick quality player based on my assessment pre-draft, before the NBA season last year. Hence his tier only above Bennett who shouldn't have been a top 10 pick.

[Big J]

This is what I said all along. People were overhyping him to a ridiculous degree calling him a Luka level guy. I relentlessly comped him to Turkoglu, which. looks. pretty. accurate. His lack of athleticism is hurting him because he doesn't have the elite level of court awareness as a Luka.

[EMG518]

This is retrospective forward looking pre-draft ranking, not about how their careers turned out.

Just indicating that while everyone was calling Wiggins the next (Maple) Jordan, I considered him a crap tier prospect at #1. I was the original and biggest Wiggins hater a whole year before his draft.

And the next time I differed strongly from consensus for #1 is with Cade, who I considered not eligible for #1. Usually #1 pick have some strong argument for their pick even for failed picks like Fultz and Simmons, who were both clear best prospects their year pre-draft.

I thought Irving would be better than he turned out.

You literally make zero sense and contradict yourself. You are claiming that you are right and that certain players are low tier #1 picks based on performance obviously, the only way you can judge at this point you were right but yet you claim it's not about how their careers turn out.

You didn't answer the second part, you thought AD was the same level of prospect as Kyrie and had Kyrie over Zion, this is what you are stating?

There is no contradiction, you are injecting your own post facto bias into this.

Yes, the players are listed in how I would have drafted them if there were in the same draft after their last year in college.

Cade was clearly not a #1 pick quality player based on my assessment pre-draft, before the NBA season last year. Hence his tier only above Bennett who shouldn't have been a top 10 pick.

If you come in here saying looks like you were the only one right about Cade, then you are judging on his current performance thus far a few games into his second season because there is literally nothing else you could be commenting on.

You then said I'm not judging based off their careers, which is a contradiction because you couldn't be judging yourself to be right at this point off of anything else.

So again I will pose, on what basis are you right?

You are stating that Cade will have a worse career than all of Simmons, Fultz, Towns, Wiggins, Ayton, etc?

Is that settled?

[MotownMadness]

27, 4 and 4 at the half tonight on 6-10 so far. Hes been insanely more aggressive over the last couple games and that midrange pull up is butter right now.

[clyde21]

make that 35/9/8

[MotownMadness]

Probably would of had a 40 point triple-double if it weren't for the foul trouble