Hal14 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:Hal14 wrote:1) not sure where you getting those numbers from - I haven't seen a reliable/accurate source for HS stats. Also, HS games are only 32 mins so counting stats will obviously be lower - especially on a team like Brown was on that was loaded with D1 talent so stats will be distributed more across the team and it's cast of stars - on a team like that no one is gonna have high assist totals other than Chandler.
So while the assist totals might not be super high, what is clear (not just in highlights but in actual raw game footage) was Brown's feel for the game, instincts, vision and unselfishness. as a passer) maybe not in super high quantity, but absolutely evident in quality. Remember, Brown has mainly been used as a finisher rather than a creator..not because he can't create but because he played with Chandler in HS, Akinjo in college and Brown is one of the best finishers in the country (both in HS and in college)
2) Brown had 10 assists in a single game in college. Not bad considering he's only played in 11 games.
Again, my main point was that compared to the other non-PGs in the 2021 HS class, Brown was as good a passer as any of them.
Let's look at the assist and usage numbers of some non-PG's who mostly play off the ball during their freshman year:
Kendall Brown = 12.7% assist on 20% usage
Caleb Houstan = 7.8% assist on 18.1% usage
Max Christie = 9.2% assist on 18.1% usage
Bryce McGowens = 10.8% assist on 25% usage
Bennedict mathurin = 9.2% assist rate on 19.6% usage
Moses Moody = 8.2% assist on 22.3% usage
Johnny Davis = 9.3% assist rate on 17.9% usage
Chet Holmgren = 15.6% assist rate on 22.7% usage
Paolo Banchero = 12.8% assist rate on 28% usage
Jabari Smith = 16% assist rate on 27% usage rate
Harrison Ingram = 22.7% assist rate on 22.5% usage
Clearly, I underestimated Ingram's passing ability. Clearly (at least so far on a smalls ample of games) he's the best passing non-PG in this group. But to be fair, he does actually initiate the offense quite a bit, and Stanford doesn't really have any good PGs (Baylor does) so he almost isn't relevant to include in this group..
Outside of Ingram, the next 3 with the most impressive assist to usage rates are Chet, Brown and Jabari.
I believe I got those stats straight from the high school. But your first point is proving my point. I understand who he played high school ball with, this is one of the reasons I actually followed Brown in high school pretty well. Duke was recruiting Kennedy Chandler really hard. But all that backs up my point because again my point has been, yes I agree Brown has shown potential and flashes with his ability to make plays. But that has never been a major aspect of his game yet. Its one thing to show flashes, its one thing to be handed that role and succeed consistently in it.
Like I said in my original post, I know he showed out against Nicholls State, but again that is Nicholls State. This is one of the reasons why advanced numbers in college can be pretty useless, especially early on. That one game drastically bumps up his assist numbers.
Id be unbelievably hypocritical if I were to praise Brown on that game just because I like him as a prospect. While I completely ignore someone like Duren when he puts up monster numbers against a Western Kentucky. Nicholls State starts 4 guys 6'4 or under.
Again I like Brown, but take away his Nicholls State games and we would be looking at a stat line of
13/2.9/0.8 with 1 steal and 1 block (1 block total)
Over half his assists have come from that Nicholls State game. I assume his AST% would take a pretty big hit.
Again I really like Brown as a prospect. I have him in my top 5. I agree that he has potential as a playmaker. But just because he has shown flashes of it, Im not willing to put it as one of his big time pros. Lots of players show flashes of something but it never becomes a major aspect of their game.
1) ok, whatever we don't have to keep going back and forth on such a minor point. It doesn't have to be like the Alperen Sengun thread, with 20 pages about how tall he is.
2) Not sure why you would remove the Nicholls State game. They're 8-5 on the season - that's respectable. They only lost by 12 to undefeated LSU.
They're a solid mid major team, but its not a great game to base future NBA success from. They're a tiny team, again they only start 1 guy that is over 6'4. They also arent the most athletic team. So there were lots of wide open easy passing lanes, especially for a team that is as long and athletic as Baylor is.
Then also add on top of that, there has only been 1 other game this year where he has had multiple assists in a game (3 assists). He has more games with 0 assists, than he does games with multiple assists.
All Im saying is we are talking about a guy who's high school coach didnt put the ball in his hands often to be a playmaker and his college coach is also not doing that. So we have no good idea on how well his playmaking scales up. Even bad playmakers like Okoro had a game where he had 7 assists and that was against a Frank Martin South Carolina team. And to be clear Im not saying he is a bad playmaker, I think he has potential there, just saying we are talking about an aspect of his game we have never seen yet on a reasonable scale.
Just a side note if others want us to stop the back and forth, I totally get it and will stop haha. But just from my perspective I feel like this is just a solid detailed back and forth breaking down a prospect.
