Jaden Ivey

MotownMadness · Post #41 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:32 pm

Hal14 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:have my doubts but if Ivey does have a 6-10 w/s that's huge

who says 6'10"?

I had him down as 6'7" wingspan

Would like to know the answer to this cause that's a big difference, kinda.

GSWFan1994 · Post #42 » by **GSWFan1994** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:45 pm

I don't think he will be a full time PG at the NBA. His ballhandling is excellent for an off-guard, but I believe will not work at the PG position in the NBA. Perhaps if the team he gets drafted has a good supporting SG who can provide some playmaking duties while he (Ivey) plays off the ball.

Ivey's playstyle is a cross of Morant and Wade, for the moment... but this is not a comparison I'm entirely confident in doing.

The-Power · Post #43 » by **The-Power** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:25 pm

Yeah, he's not a PG but I don't see how that keeps him any lower. He has the ability to be a secondary ball handler as well as a consistent on-ball creator paired with good off-ball ability – that's an excellent profile in today's league. Plenty of elite combo guards / non-PG guards in today's league that would be the top 3 in their respective drafts in a re-draft.

One thing to also note is that Ivey really doesn't have a lot of driving lanes because there's a big standing right around the basket or in the lane at almost all times. In a spaced out NBA, his ability to attack should pop out a lot more and is crazy to imagine. As I wrote before, I have him #1 on my big board and I'm feeling really comfortable with that.

babyjax13 · Post #44 » by **babyjax13** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:40 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:have my doubts but if Ivey does have a 6-10 w/s that's huge

who says 6'10"?

I had him down as 6'7" wingspan

Would like to know the answer to this cause that's a big difference, kinda.

See my post above, it is givony.

Post #45 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:31 pm

He and Edey are the Ivey and Edey Connection - the best athlete and the biggest player. Edey has a 43.1 PER but too many turnovers. Trevion Williams is another big horse up front with a mere 37.5 PER.

Ivey made 6 of 6 from 3 in their last game - destroying Butler. He's made 46.2% of his 3's. Ok, I've moved him up to #1.

God Squad · Post #46 » by **God Squad** » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:24 am

Ruzious wrote:He and Edey are the Ivey and Edey Connection - the best athlete and the biggest player. Edey has a 43.1 PER but too many turnovers. Trevion Williams is another big horse up front with a mere 37.5 PER.

Ivey made 6 of 6 from 3 in their last game - destroying Butler. He's made 46.2% of his 3's. Ok, I've moved him up to #1.

IMO he's a better NBA prospect than Chet and Paolo.

whitehops · Post #47 » by **whitehops** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:27 pm

The-Power wrote:One thing to also note is that Ivey really doesn't have a lot of driving lanes because there's a big standing right around the basket or in the lane at almost all times. In a spaced out NBA, his ability to attack should pop out a lot more and is crazy to imagine. As I wrote before, I have him #1 on my big board and I'm feeling really comfortable with that.

i made that mistake when evaluating donovan mitchell. i liked mitchell but didn't think he would be a 20 PPG scorer because he struggled to finish inside so much in college. but the combo of extra spacing and mitchell's athleticism made an immediate difference.

still have to look at more tape on ivey but that is my hope, and ivey's percentages are already excellent even in college.

The-Power · Post #48 » by **The-Power** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:29 am

Watch on YouTube

Couldn't find a better video of it but this is the type of stuff that makes me go all-in on Ivey. Yes, he has to put in the work in all skill areas to be an All-NBA player down the road but the foundation of those skills is there and you just can't teach that kind of athletic ability.

clyde21 · Post #49 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:51 am

The-Power wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Couldn't find a better video of it but this is the type of stuff that makes me go all-in on Ivey. Yes, he has to put in the work in all skill areas to be an All-NBA player down the road but the foundation of those skills is there and you just can't teach that kind of athletic ability.

Read on Twitter

Petre1978 · Post #50 » by **Petre1978** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:03 pm

clyde21 wrote:
The-Power wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Couldn't find a better video of it but this is the type of stuff that makes me go all-in on Ivey. Yes, he has to put in the work in all skill areas to be an All-NBA player down the road but the foundation of those skills is there and you just can't teach that kind of athletic ability.

Read on Twitter

I really like Ivey but in my opinion i would have someone like Johnny Davis who has the foundation to be a 3 level scorer.
Ivey's low release point of his shot will be a problem in the NBA.

The-Power · Post #51 » by **The-Power** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:47 pm

Petre1978 wrote:I really like Ivey but in my opinion i would have someone like Johnny Davis who has the foundation to be a 3 level scorer.
Ivey's low release point of his shot will be a problem in the NBA.

Davis is a more versatile scorer at this point but that doesn't mean he's a better, more effective or more efficient scorer than Ivey – now or going forward.

jezzerinho · Post #52 » by **jezzerinho** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:23 pm

I think there's a lot of buyer beware with Ivey.

He wasn't a highly successful shooter in HS and with his current very low-and-outward shooting form plus his erratic touch in mid range, it's not hard to see why.

His playmaking is rudimentary at best. There is v little evidence of either court vision or technical passing ability that would encourage a GM that he can be a PG in the pros.

With his electric speed and agility the optimist can project him to have all kinds of stellar outcomes. The question is open as to where he will fit on a court and how his shortcomings can be mitigated or compensated by others until he improves, if that happens.

Low floor, high ceiling prospect. The range of outcomes is pretty wide. Rich to be taking that in the top 5, tho in this lean draft of imperfect players, it's understandable if that's what happens.

BostonCouchGM · Post #53 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:26 am

Ivey does have a low release that is concerning. However, he has a nice stroke and his release point can be fixed. That said, in today's NBA, guys are wide open a lot because for some reason, every coach has guys sagging off their guy at the 3 pt line to help defend on drives even when it's not necessary. So even if he doesn't fix it, it shouldn't be too much of an issue. He really does have "it" though. He's going to be a much better pro than college player. He could end up the best of this class or fifth. And that's 5th out of some incredible talents. I do think he can play the point too and he's got all-NBA potential.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #54 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:26 pm

yeah, low release points used to bother me. not so much any more - guys get a lot of open looks and good players tend to figure it out. that said, i'm not sold on ivey. but i do agree that his upside is pretty special.

ItsDanger · Post #55 » by **ItsDanger** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:31 pm

Watching the Purdue/Illinois game, Ivey's half court play really needs improvement. Showed a lot by getting to the line often but right now his game there isn't where it needs to be.

Post #56 » by **zimpy27** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:39 pm

Main concern is why his stats fall against conference competition. Especially his shooting stats.

MotownMadness · Post #57 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:09 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Main concern is why his stats fall against conference competition. Especially his shooting stats.

I would be alot higher on him if he had legit PG skills. Right now I'm worried he could be more like a prime Lance Stephenson more than a cheap Morant.

GSWFan1994 · Post #58 » by **GSWFan1994** » Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:32 pm

Watch on YouTube

Outstanding quickness & agility, very good passer too. But doesn't seem to have outlier athleticism in the jumping department.

He seems to have modified his shooting motion during the season too, compared to the start of the video.

whitehops · Post #59 » by **whitehops** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:37 pm

purely talking about athleticism, do people like john wall as a comparison? it's honestly the first thing that pops out at me when you see ivey gets going downhill like he does at 6'4, combined with the COD ability at high speeds.

EMG518 · Post #60 » by **EMG518** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:03 am

whitehops wrote:purely talking about athleticism, do people like john wall as a comparison? it's honestly the first thing that pops out at me when you see ivey gets going downhill like he does at 6'4, combined with the COD ability at high speeds.

I see Westbrook personally when I see him move with a little Ja. I think everyone can agree though his a top level athlete.