Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why

[pcbothwel]

Wizards @ 10: Tyty, Duren, and Agbaji would be awful

[The Moose]

There are honestly a bunch in the Knicks draft range that I really don't want them to pick. Will just name a few.

1.AJ Griffin, I don't think he has a position defensively and outside of his shooting I don't think there is much upside on offense.

2.Jalen Duren-I don't believe he will be as good defensively with NBA spacing and doesn't bring much as far as skill on offense. I rather just sign a guy like a Kevon Looney than use pick # 11 on him.

3.Bennedict Mathurin-I don't believe him to be very good defensively, I don't think he has any playmaking potential, so you are basically drafting an athletic shooter whom isn't the best either at shooting.

He's a career 38% three point shooter from the new NCAA three point line/FIBA line on 5 attempts per game. How much better does he have to be at his age? In five years he may lead the entire NBA in three point makes.

38% from 3 in college is not anything special and he was 76% from the line this past season, you also ignored that he hasn't been good defensively and I dont believe he can handle the ball and play make.

Doesn't have a midrange jumper either, he made 24 non rim 2's all season at a 28% clip. I dont think he projects as like a pure shooter type. To me he's an athletic motion 3pt shooter with bad penetration skills and mediocre defense.

Strikes me as a Hield, Mclemore, Lonnie Walker type

Just not a super valuable archetype imo and I wouldnt want to touch him in the top 7 personally

[SelfishPlayer]

There are honestly a bunch in the Knicks draft range that I really don't want them to pick. Will just name a few.

1.AJ Griffin, I don't think he has a position defensively and outside of his shooting I don't think there is much upside on offense.

2.Jalen Duren-I don't believe he will be as good defensively with NBA spacing and doesn't bring much as far as skill on offense. I rather just sign a guy like a Kevon Looney than use pick # 11 on him.

3.Bennedict Mathurin-I don't believe him to be very good defensively, I don't think he has any playmaking potential, so you are basically drafting an athletic shooter whom isn't the best either at shooting.

He's a career 38% three point shooter from the new NCAA three point line/FIBA line on 5 attempts per game. How much better does he have to be at his age? In five years he may lead the entire NBA in three point makes.

38% from 3 in college is not anything special and he was 76% from the line this past season, you also ignored that he hasn't been good defensively and I dont believe he can handle the ball and play make.

38% on 5 attempts in college shows that you are qualified to be an NBA shooter. You are looking to answer the wrong question. Will he be special amongst NBA shooters? We'll see. He's qualified to shoot the ball in the NBA based on college resume. Free throws went out the window when college extended the three point line, catch up.

[stormi]

I really don't want the Cavs to get Agbaji and add to the logjam they have at shooting guard. Or Branham or Johnny Davis. If they get a guard, he needs to be a plus playmaker.

Agbaji scamming his way into the lottery is one of the biggest headscratchers of this years draft for me. He's not some sort of defensive playmaker or harbouring freakish measurables. I don't believe in his shooting and his stats for a 4 years college player are hardly impressive.

Your post is the reason why people get criticized for saying that an early entry prospect should go back to school to improve. Here's an an example of a guy doing just that successfully and he is actually characterized as a scammer for improving his game.

4 year player with non elite production, non elite measurables, not a passer and not a lockdown defender.

Screams role player, and I'd swing for a younger guy with upside 100/100.

Duarte's profile last year blows Agbaji's out of the water.

[JRoy]

Agbaji scamming his way into the lottery is one of the biggest headscratchers of this years draft for me. He's not some sort of defensive playmaker or harbouring freakish measurables. I don't believe in his shooting and his stats for a 4 years college player are hardly impressive.

Your post is the reason why people get criticized for saying that an early entry prospect should go back to school to improve. Here's an an example of a guy doing just that successfully and he is actually characterized as a scammer for improving his game.

4 year player with non elite production, non elite measurables, not a passer and not a lockdown defender.

Screams role player, and I'd swing for a younger guy with upside 100/100.

Duarte's profile last year blows Agbaji's out of the water.

I agree about Agbaji; he looks like a journeyman role player to me.

You don’t like Dalen Terry?

[stormi]

Here's 3.

Marjon Beauchamp
Dalen Terry
Nikola Jovic

Interesting.

I can understand the other two. Why Terry?

He'll probably be a better pro than he was college player and his physical tools are rather intriguing, but his production was like Matisse Thybulle levels of bad.

Still being an offensive roleplayer as a college sophomore to me is a major red flag.

And his assist % was only 22, so it's not like he was out there conducting for Arizona.

If he's given time and patience though I'm sure a winning player could be unearthed.

[SelfishPlayer]

Agbaji scamming his way into the lottery is one of the biggest headscratchers of this years draft for me. He's not some sort of defensive playmaker or harbouring freakish measurables. I don't believe in his shooting and his stats for a 4 years college player are hardly impressive.

Your post is the reason why people get criticized for saying that an early entry prospect should go back to school to improve. Here's an an example of a guy doing just that successfully and he is actually characterized as a scammer for improving his game.

4 year player with non elite production, non elite measurables, not a passer and not a lockdown defender.

Screams role player, and I'd swing for a younger guy with upside 100/100.

Duarte's profile last year blows Agbaji's out of the water.

Do you realize that the NCAA has moved its three point line to the FIBA distance? He averaged over 6 attempts for two consecutive seasons. His junior season shooting 37% and senior shooting 40%. This absolutely makes him one of the best shooters in the world that has never played in the NBA. He combines that with incredible speed in transition, a 41" vertical, 8'8" standing reach and 6'10" wingspan. Using free throws to project NBA three point ability of college prospects was eliminated in 2019 due to my first sentence. He is a sound passer. He doesn't have blinders. His role in college was that of a scorer. He does that well. The NBA already has too many players that "need the ball" to facilitate. He's a scorer and shooter that is blazing fast in transition. He may be Latrell Sprewell with a three point shot. He's an elite athlete for a SG and compliments playmakers already on the roster.

[stormi]

Your post is the reason why people get criticized for saying that an early entry prospect should go back to school to improve. Here's an an example of a guy doing just that successfully and he is actually characterized as a scammer for improving his game.

4 year player with non elite production, non elite measurables, not a passer and not a lockdown defender.

Screams role player, and I'd swing for a younger guy with upside 100/100.

Duarte's profile last year blows Agbaji's out of the water.

Do you realize that the NCAA has moved its three point line to the FIBA distance? He averaged over 6 attempts for two consecutive seasons. His junior season shooting 37% and senior shooting 40%. This absolutely makes him one of the best shooters in the world that has never played in the NBA. He combines that with incredible speed in transition, a 41" vertical, 8'8" standing reach and 6'10" wingspan. Using free throws to project NBA three point ability of college prospects was eliminated in 2019 due to my first sentence. He is a sound passer. He doesn't have blinders. His role in college was that of a scorer. He does that well. The NBA already has too many players that "need the ball" to facilitate. He's a scorer and shooter that is blazing fast in transition. He may be Latrell Sprewell with a three point shot. He's an elite athlete for a SG and compliments playmakers already on the roster.

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28% ft rate as a senior is really poor. He's not a shot creator.

Couple with a sub 10% assist rate means he doesn't/can't make plays for anyone around him.

Also doesn't generate a noteworthy amount of steals or blocks or rebounds.

Sub 75% FT shooter.

I think Wendell Moore is clearly a better prospect and is getting much less hype.

[SelfishPlayer]

4 year player with non elite production, non elite measurables, not a passer and not a lockdown defender.

Screams role player, and I'd swing for a younger guy with upside 100/100.

Duarte's profile last year blows Agbaji's out of the water.

Do you realize that the NCAA has moved its three point line to the FIBA distance? He averaged over 6 attempts for two consecutive seasons. His junior season shooting 37% and senior shooting 40%. This absolutely makes him one of the best shooters in the world that has never played in the NBA. He combines that with incredible speed in transition, a 41" vertical, 8'8" standing reach and 6'10" wingspan. Using free throws to project NBA three point ability of college prospects was eliminated in 2019 due to my first sentence. He is a sound passer. He doesn't have blinders. His role in college was that of a scorer. He does that well. The NBA already has too many players that "need the ball" to facilitate. He's a scorer and shooter that is blazing fast in transition. He may be Latrell Sprewell with a three point shot. He's an elite athlete for a SG and compliments playmakers already on the roster.

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28% ft rate as a senior is really poor. He's not a shot creator.

Couple with a sub 10% assist rate means he doesn't/can't make plays for anyone around him.

Also doesn't generate a noteworthy amount of steals or blocks or rebounds.

Sub 75% FT shooter.

I think Wendell Moore is clearly a better prospect and is getting much less hype.

Since you're so into college basketball, he has a national championship.

[stormi]

Do you realize that the NCAA has moved its three point line to the FIBA distance? He averaged over 6 attempts for two consecutive seasons. His junior season shooting 37% and senior shooting 40%. This absolutely makes him one of the best shooters in the world that has never played in the NBA. He combines that with incredible speed in transition, a 41" vertical, 8'8" standing reach and 6'10" wingspan. Using free throws to project NBA three point ability of college prospects was eliminated in 2019 due to my first sentence. He is a sound passer. He doesn't have blinders. His role in college was that of a scorer. He does that well. The NBA already has too many players that "need the ball" to facilitate. He's a scorer and shooter that is blazing fast in transition. He may be Latrell Sprewell with a three point shot. He's an elite athlete for a SG and compliments playmakers already on the roster.

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28% ft rate as a senior is really poor. He's not a shot creator.

Couple with a sub 10% assist rate means he doesn't/can't make plays for anyone around him.

Also doesn't generate a noteworthy amount of steals or blocks or rebounds.

Sub 75% FT shooter.

I think Wendell Moore is clearly a better prospect and is getting much less hype.

Since you're so into college basketball, he has a national championship.

I'd probably draft Braun over him too. Wayyyy better defender and an elite rebounder for his size. His wingspan is probably the only thing holding me back from being more excited on him as a great potential NBA roleplayer.

[SelfishPlayer]

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28% ft rate as a senior is really poor. He's not a shot creator.

Couple with a sub 10% assist rate means he doesn't/can't make plays for anyone around him.

Also doesn't generate a noteworthy amount of steals or blocks or rebounds.

Sub 75% FT shooter.

I think Wendell Moore is clearly a better prospect and is getting much less hype.

Since you're so into college basketball, he has a national championship.

I'd probably draft Braun over him too. Wayyyy better defender and an elite rebounder for his size. His wingspan is probably the only thing holding me back from being more excited on him as a great potential NBA roleplayer.

I think they compliment one another with Braun being a lead ball handler and Agbaji the scorer. Both of them are shooters and finishers. There's a difference from what people can do and what they are required to do. Agbaji has quality passing skills as a shooting guard. He can pass as well as shooting guards have been required to pass in the NBA. He made plenty of championship level passes in college on the road to winning the national title. Braun may be a first round pick Agbaji is a first round lock. Allan Houston, Ray Allen, and Eddie Jones are amongst my comps for him. He plays more like a 90s style shooting guard that scores the damn ball and doesn't need to do so anything like a point guard in the center of the court, pick and roll, or any of that other stuff.

[stormi]

Since you're so into college basketball, he has a national championship.

I'd probably draft Braun over him too. Wayyyy better defender and an elite rebounder for his size. His wingspan is probably the only thing holding me back from being more excited on him as a great potential NBA roleplayer.

I think they compliment one another with Braun being a lead ball handler and Agbaji the scorer. Both of them are shooters and finishers. There's a difference from what people can do and what they are required to do. Agbaji has quality passing skills as a shooting guard. He can pass as well as shooting guards have been required to pass in the NBA. He made plenty of championship level passes in college on the road to winning the national title. Braun may be a first round pick Agbaji is a first round lock. Allan Houston, Ray Allen, and Eddie Jones are amongst my comps for him. He plays more like a 90s style shooting guard that scores the damn ball and doesn't need to do so anything like a point guard in the center of the court, pick and roll, or any of that other stuff.

Ray Allen is wild.

Personally I don't believe in his jumper and it's not that he wasn't a good college player, I just look for transferability at the next level. I do believe though if he is to thrive at the next level he'd likely be some derivative of the players you mentioned above. A high volume 3 point shooter that competes on defense and scores off of star gravity.

[SelfishPlayer]

I'd probably draft Braun over him too. Wayyyy better defender and an elite rebounder for his size. His wingspan is probably the only thing holding me back from being more excited on him as a great potential NBA roleplayer.

I think they compliment one another with Braun being a lead ball handler and Agbaji the scorer. Both of them are shooters and finishers. There's a difference from what people can do and what they are required to do. Agbaji has quality passing skills as a shooting guard. He can pass as well as shooting guards have been required to pass in the NBA. He made plenty of championship level passes in college on the road to winning the national title. Braun may be a first round pick Agbaji is a first round lock. Allan Houston, Ray Allen, and Eddie Jones are amongst my comps for him. He plays more like a 90s style shooting guard that scores the damn ball and doesn't need to do so anything like a point guard in the center of the court, pick and roll, or any of that other stuff.

Ray Allen is wild.

Personally I don't believe in his jumper and it's not that he wasn't a good college player, I just look for transferability at the next level. I do believe though if he is to thrive at the next level he'd likely be some derivative of the players you mentioned above. A high volume 3 point shooter that competes on defense and scores off of star gravity.

Incorrect. He scores off of his own scoring ability. He has moves. He runs off of screens. He is incredibly fast in the open floor. Add the earlier versions of Bradley Beal, and Richard Hamilton to the comps.

[toooskies]

Since you're so into college basketball, he has a national championship.

I'd probably draft Braun over him too. Wayyyy better defender and an elite rebounder for his size. His wingspan is probably the only thing holding me back from being more excited on him as a great potential NBA roleplayer.

I think they compliment one another with Braun being a lead ball handler and Agbaji the scorer. Both of them are shooters and finishers. There's a difference from what people can do and what they are required to do. Agbaji has quality passing skills as a shooting guard. He can pass as well as shooting guards have been required to pass in the NBA. He made plenty of championship level passes in college on the road to winning the national title. Braun may be a first round pick Agbaji is a first round lock. Allan Houston, Ray Allen, and Eddie Jones are amongst my comps for him. He plays more like a 90s style shooting guard that scores the damn ball and doesn't need to do so anything like a point guard in the center of the court, pick and roll, or any of that other stuff.

Agbaji's passing at the college level was worse than the outdated comps you have for him. No SG in the NBA should have an A/TO ratio below 1.

[stormi]

I think they compliment one another with Braun being a lead ball handler and Agbaji the scorer. Both of them are shooters and finishers. There's a difference from what people can do and what they are required to do. Agbaji has quality passing skills as a shooting guard. He can pass as well as shooting guards have been required to pass in the NBA. He made plenty of championship level passes in college on the road to winning the national title. Braun may be a first round pick Agbaji is a first round lock. Allan Houston, Ray Allen, and Eddie Jones are amongst my comps for him. He plays more like a 90s style shooting guard that scores the damn ball and doesn't need to do so anything like a point guard in the center of the court, pick and roll, or any of that other stuff.

Ray Allen is wild.

Personally I don't believe in his jumper and it's not that he wasn't a good college player, I just look for transferability at the next level. I do believe though if he is to thrive at the next level he'd likely be some derivative of the players you mentioned above. A high volume 3 point shooter that competes on defense and scores off of star gravity.

Incorrect. He scores off of his own scoring ability. He has moves. He runs off of screens. He is incredibly fast in the open floor. Add the earlier versions of Bradley Beal, and Richard Hamilton to the comps.

His free throw rate doesn't poise much credence to him being a shot creator - and he's old as hell.

At the next level he will be a 3 point spammer, which probably his most intriguing trait. That's also why I'm not high on him. The fact that he has no passing vision at all too almost certainly locks him in as a rotational player.

[SelfishPlayer]

I'd probably draft Braun over him too. Wayyyy better defender and an elite rebounder for his size. His wingspan is probably the only thing holding me back from being more excited on him as a great potential NBA roleplayer.

I think they compliment one another with Braun being a lead ball handler and Agbaji the scorer. Both of them are shooters and finishers. There's a difference from what people can do and what they are required to do. Agbaji has quality passing skills as a shooting guard. He can pass as well as shooting guards have been required to pass in the NBA. He made plenty of championship level passes in college on the road to winning the national title. Braun may be a first round pick Agbaji is a first round lock. Allan Houston, Ray Allen, and Eddie Jones are amongst my comps for him. He plays more like a 90s style shooting guard that scores the damn ball and doesn't need to do so anything like a point guard in the center of the court, pick and roll, or any of that other stuff.

Agbaji's passing at the college level was worse than the outdated comps you have for him. No SG in the NBA should have an A/TO ratio below 1.

2.1 turnovers in 35 minutes as a senior is the most he ever averaged in college, and he did that as a scorer with a green light. LOL. Stop it. He's a very smart player and champion.

[SelfishPlayer]

Ray Allen is wild.

Personally I don't believe in his jumper and it's not that he wasn't a good college player, I just look for transferability at the next level. I do believe though if he is to thrive at the next level he'd likely be some derivative of the players you mentioned above. A high volume 3 point shooter that competes on defense and scores off of star gravity.

Incorrect. He scores off of his own scoring ability. He has moves. He runs off of screens. He is incredibly fast in the open floor. Add the earlier versions of Bradley Beal, and Richard Hamilton to the comps.

His free throw rate doesn't poise much credence to him being a shot creator - and he's old as hell.

At the next level he will be a 3 point spammer, which probably his most intriguing trait. That's also why I'm not high on him. The fact that he has no passing vision at all too almost certainly locks him in as a rotational player.

Free throw rate? Ray Allen?

[stormi]

I'd probably draft Braun over him too. Wayyyy better defender and an elite rebounder for his size. His wingspan is probably the only thing holding me back from being more excited on him as a great potential NBA roleplayer.

I think they compliment one another with Braun being a lead ball handler and Agbaji the scorer. Both of them are shooters and finishers. There's a difference from what people can do and what they are required to do. Agbaji has quality passing skills as a shooting guard. He can pass as well as shooting guards have been required to pass in the NBA. He made plenty of championship level passes in college on the road to winning the national title. Braun may be a first round pick Agbaji is a first round lock. Allan Houston, Ray Allen, and Eddie Jones are amongst my comps for him. He plays more like a 90s style shooting guard that scores the damn ball and doesn't need to do so anything like a point guard in the center of the court, pick and roll, or any of that other stuff.

Agbaji's passing at the college level was worse than the outdated comps you have for him. No SG in the NBA should have an A/TO ratio below 1.

Yea, he's a chucker that really doesn't provide much else. And his FT% isn't giving me confidence in the reliability of that 3 point stroke.

He started the year off absurdly hot from 3 shooting ~46% his first 22 games, and then closed out the season shooting ~27% on pull up 3's and ~29% on pull up 2's.

Just not interesting enough as a 4 year player. And he's getting lottery shouts which are wild.

[stormi]

Max Christie > Agbaji

[SelfishPlayer]

I think they compliment one another with Braun being a lead ball handler and Agbaji the scorer. Both of them are shooters and finishers. There's a difference from what people can do and what they are required to do. Agbaji has quality passing skills as a shooting guard. He can pass as well as shooting guards have been required to pass in the NBA. He made plenty of championship level passes in college on the road to winning the national title. Braun may be a first round pick Agbaji is a first round lock. Allan Houston, Ray Allen, and Eddie Jones are amongst my comps for him. He plays more like a 90s style shooting guard that scores the damn ball and doesn't need to do so anything like a point guard in the center of the court, pick and roll, or any of that other stuff.

Agbaji's passing at the college level was worse than the outdated comps you have for him. No SG in the NBA should have an A/TO ratio below 1.

Yea, he's a chucker that really doesn't provide much else. And his FT% isn't giving me confidence in the reliability of that 3 point stroke.

He started the year off absurdly hot from 3 shooting ~46% his first 22 games, and then closed out the season shooting ~27% on pull up 3's and ~29% on pull up 2's.

Just not interesting enough as a 4 year player. And he's getting lottery shouts which are wild.

He closed out the season with a national championship.