23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked??

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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#41 » by Klomp » Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:07 pm

76ciology wrote:Another guy is Brandin Podziemski. This guy can be a Tyler Herro type player in the league

He's been one of my early favorites in the process. Not sure about high-end potential, but I think his game should translate well.
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#42 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:44 pm

Ricky Council might get a bit of love since Arkansas has advanced, but he has a legit NBA size and as long as he was willing to accept his role could be a really solid get for a team in the late first. He was trying to do too much most of the year with Arkansas.

Kind of gives me some Kelly Oubre vibes which seems pretty good for the value.
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Post#43 » by WargamesX » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:51 pm

I think Strawther could have a decent NBA career, but he will be drafted after a lot of guys who won't.
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#44 » by jman3134 » Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:34 am

It depends who applies for the draft early entry in the international class. There are some solid names who are 3-4 years away, but top end upside.
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#45 » by BostonCouchGM » Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:02 am

jman3134 wrote:It depends who applies for the draft early entry in the international class. There are some solid names who are 3-4 years away, but top end upside.


which ones? I know this is a very weak international class and next year's is looking to be an all-timer
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#46 » by clyde21 » Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:14 am

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jman3134 wrote:It depends who applies for the draft early entry in the international class. There are some solid names who are 3-4 years away, but top end upside.


which ones? I know this is a very weak international class and next year's is looking to be an all-timer


all timer based on what? :lol:
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#47 » by jman3134 » Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:24 am

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jman3134 wrote:It depends who applies for the draft early entry in the international class. There are some solid names who are 3-4 years away, but top end upside.


which ones? I know this is a very weak international class and next year's is looking to be an all-timer


All I will say is a couple of the 18/19 year olds have high level upside. I want to hold off until I can profile them, but it is easy to hide developing players overseas on the bench. None are anywhere near actualizing their potential, but the athleticism/size profile is there.
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#48 » by BostonCouchGM » Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:30 pm

clyde21 wrote:
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jman3134 wrote:It depends who applies for the draft early entry in the international class. There are some solid names who are 3-4 years away, but top end upside.


which ones? I know this is a very weak international class and next year's is looking to be an all-timer


all timer based on what? :lol:


if you were an adult and asked politely I'd be happy to educate you on the prospects you should know about already seeing as you view yourself as a draft guru. But since you asked like a child...nah
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#49 » by BostonCouchGM » Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:33 pm

jman3134 wrote:
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jman3134 wrote:It depends who applies for the draft early entry in the international class. There are some solid names who are 3-4 years away, but top end upside.


which ones? I know this is a very weak international class and next year's is looking to be an all-timer


All I will say is a couple of the 18/19 year olds have high level upside. I want to hold off until I can profile them, but it is easy to hide developing players overseas on the bench. None are anywhere near actualizing their potential, but the athleticism/size profile is there.


I'm very high on Bilal Coulibaly and think he could be an elite two-way wing. I'm assuming he's coming out in 2024 but if he comes out this year he raises this draft class and will weaken next year's. Weird how almost nobody talks about him. 6'6" with a 7'3" wingspan, great on both ends, effortless bounce, smooth and really high BBIQ

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Post#50 » by SeattleJazzFan » Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:10 pm

i may have said it earlier in the thread, but i still feel this way... Leonard Miller is the most overlooked prospect - based on mocks out there - in the draft.

i also think DWH is excellent risk/reward guy if you can get him late first/early second
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#51 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:50 pm

Klomp wrote:
76ciology wrote:Another guy is Brandin Podziemski. This guy can be a Tyler Herro type player in the league

He's been one of my early favorites in the process. Not sure about high-end potential, but I think his game should translate well.


I think he has alot of Kennard to him. Not the quickest but has a nice handle and a quick J that gets wild arc. I feel his mechanics will transfer well to helping him get his shot off at the next level.

Then again I was sure Sam Merrill would carve out a bench shooter role and look at him now.
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#52 » by tester551 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:15 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:i may have said it earlier in the thread, but i still feel this way... Leonard Miller is the most overlooked prospect - based on mocks out there - in the draft.

Agreed. He's still has to 'figure it out', but he has a lot of unique tools.
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#53 » by WargamesX » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:45 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:
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which ones? I know this is a very weak international class and next year's is looking to be an all-timer


All I will say is a couple of the 18/19 year olds have high level upside. I want to hold off until I can profile them, but it is easy to hide developing players overseas on the bench. None are anywhere near actualizing their potential, but the athleticism/size profile is there.


I'm very high on Bilal Coulibaly and think he could be an elite two-way wing. I'm assuming he's coming out in 2024 but if he comes out this year he raises this draft class and will weaken next year's. Weird how almost nobody talks about him. 6'6" with a 7'3" wingspan, great on both ends, effortless bounce, smooth and really high BBIQ



I think if he declares he'll rise in profile. Like you said teams might consider him a 2024 draft prospect.
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#54 » by The-Power » Sat Apr 1, 2023 1:30 am

SeattleJazzFan wrote:i may have said it earlier in the thread, but i still feel this way... Leonard Miller is the most overlooked prospect - based on mocks out there - in the draft.

i also think DWH is excellent risk/reward guy if you can get him late first/early second

Where would you draft Miller? I have no idea where mocks have him but I have him as someone in the early 20s probably. I could be talked into the late teens potentially. Do you have him higher than that?

As for DWH: I don't think anyone would disagree. Hell, late first/early second would be insane value that nobody should pass up. I still think DWH has a shot at being picked in the late lottery, or late teens at worst. At least that's where I would draft him (higher or lower depending on how he looks in the work-outs).
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#55 » by Wizop » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:18 pm

I think several college seniors will be passed over on age alone and that will turn out to be a mistake.
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Post#56 » by Wizop » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:19 pm

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SeattleJazzFan wrote:i may have said it earlier in the thread, but i still feel this way... Leonard Miller is the most overlooked prospect - based on mocks out there - in the draft.

Agreed. He's still has to 'figure it out', but he has a lot of unique tools.


I'd happily add him to the Pacers team Canada if he lasts until the Cavs pick.
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#57 » by EvanZ » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:41 pm

Was just chatting with someone about Miller yesterday. I think there's a good case for taking him ahead of Whitmore, for example.
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#58 » by Hal14 » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:58 pm

jman3134 wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:
jman3134 wrote:It depends who applies for the draft early entry in the international class. There are some solid names who are 3-4 years away, but top end upside.


which ones? I know this is a very weak international class and next year's is looking to be an all-timer


All I will say is a couple of the 18/19 year olds have high level upside. I want to hold off until I can profile them, but it is easy to hide developing players overseas on the bench. None are anywhere near actualizing their potential, but the athleticism/size profile is there.

Some of the guys you might be referring to...

-Bilal Coulibaly
-James Nnaji
-Eli N'Diaye
-Fedor Zugic
-Berke Büyüktuncel
-Ousmane N'Diaye
-Nikola Durisic
-Paulius Murauskas
-Yannick Kraag
-Zsombor Maronka
-Leonardo Okeke
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Re: 23' draft steals/ hidden gems with high end potential being overlooked?? 

Post#59 » by Wizop » Tue Apr 4, 2023 6:17 pm

Hal14 wrote:Some of the guys you might be referring to...

-Bilal Coulibaly
-James Nnaji
-Eli N'Diaye
-Fedor Zugic
-Berke Büyüktuncel
-Ousmane N'Diaye
-Nikola Durisic
-Paulius Murauskas
-Yannick Kraag
-Zsombor Maronka
-Leonardo Okeke


With the Pacers having 5 picks, there are several names on your list that I'd happily see us draft and leave abroad for a year or so.
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Post#60 » by tester551 » Tue Apr 4, 2023 7:36 pm

EvanZ wrote:Was just chatting with someone about Miller yesterday. I think there's a good case for taking him ahead of Whitmore, for example.

Which Miller?

I'd expect Brandon to 100% be ahead of Whitmore.
I like Leonard Miller better than Whitmore, but I thought I was in the minority there.

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