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Post#41 » by FarBeyondDriven » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:55 am

PerkinsFor3 wrote:what are we thinking of his ability to go left?


left is suspect and shaky. It leads to turnovers and uneven plays. Easily correctable but he's got his flaws no doubt.
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Post#42 » by Chi town » Wed Dec 11, 2024 2:48 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
PerkinsFor3 wrote:what are we thinking of his ability to go left?


left is suspect and shaky. It leads to turnovers and uneven plays. Easily correctable but he's got his flaws no doubt.


He can certainly dunk with the left!
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Post#43 » by EmpireFalls » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:58 pm

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PerkinsFor3 wrote:what are we thinking of his ability to go left?


left is suspect and shaky. It leads to turnovers and uneven plays. Easily correctable but he's got his flaws no doubt.

His driving in general is what I have the least grasp on. Sometimes he looks like he actually has a good handle and contact balance and sometimes it looks like he couldn’t even go by Nurkic on a switch. Dribble penetration is gonna be key for any primary creator in the NBA and we have no evidence if he can do it vs high level competition.
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Post#44 » by EvanZ » Wed Jan 1, 2025 3:30 pm

He's been falling off lately.
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Post#45 » by Thaddy » Thu Jan 2, 2025 4:02 pm

EvanZ wrote:He's been falling off lately.

He looks like he won't even be a top 15 pick the way he's going. I'd rather take McNeeley.
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Post#46 » by EmpireFalls » Fri Jan 3, 2025 1:54 am

His passing has the potential to be actually special at his size but everything else seems very bad.
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Post#47 » by Thaddy » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:24 am

EmpireFalls wrote:His passing has the potential to be actually special at his size but everything else seems very bad.

He doesn't bring any guaranteed skills to the table. McNeeley at the very worst would be our best stationary shooter. On top of that McNeeley has great lateral quickness and physicality which makes him a good on-ball defender. Demin could potentially be a great shooter, and he has the size and length to be good at help defense too. But that is no where near being a guarantee.
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Post#48 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sun Jan 5, 2025 10:29 am

FarBeyondDriven wrote:Cade Cunningham vibes


lol this is embarrassing :lol:

I fear I and others crowned him prematurely. He isn't really like Cade, Topic or Giddey tbh. He's more like Lonzo in that he lacks aggression looking to score but can make any pass in the book and make the correct reads while spreading the floor with his shooting. Minus the defense of course. I like Lonzo so this isn't really a knock per se but he's not looking to be as good a prospect as I initially thought.
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Post#49 » by EvanZ » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:27 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:His passing has the potential to be actually special at his size but everything else seems very bad.


It's some of the same issues Giddey has. Although Demin hopefully is a better shooter.
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Post#50 » by EmpireFalls » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:44 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:Cade Cunningham vibes


lol this is embarrassing :lol:

I fear I and others crowned him prematurely. He isn't really like Cade, Topic or Giddey tbh. He's more like Lonzo in that he lacks aggression looking to score but can make any pass in the book and make the correct reads while spreading the floor with his shooting. Minus the defense of course. I like Lonzo so this isn't really a knock per se but he's not looking to be as good a prospect as I initially thought.

My concern is the athleticism. Where is it? Like is he even a slightly below average athlete?
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Post#51 » by Jstock12 » Sun Jan 5, 2025 7:18 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:Cade Cunningham vibes


lol this is embarrassing :lol:

I fear I and others crowned him prematurely. He isn't really like Cade, Topic or Giddey tbh. He's more like Lonzo in that he lacks aggression looking to score but can make any pass in the book and make the correct reads while spreading the floor with his shooting. Minus the defense of course. I like Lonzo so this isn't really a knock per se but he's not looking to be as good a prospect as I initially thought.

My concern is the athleticism. Where is it? Like is he even a slightly below average athlete?

He's a decent leaper, and is pretty fluid in his movement. Decent straight line speed too. The big question mark is about his lateral quicks. Those might be quite below NBA average. Not much of a first step either.
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Post#52 » by Jstock12 » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:21 pm

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Re: Egor Demin - BYU 

Post#53 » by The-Power » Mon Jan 6, 2025 2:08 am

Against better opposition, Demin seems to have lost the ability to create advantages. He's still an awesome passer but without the ability to keep the dribble alive (biggest issue for him right now, more so than the drop in shooting or athletic limitations) and get by defenders or post up – that passing will never be fully leveraged. If he continues to struggle like he has recently then he'll drop even more than he already has.

It sucks for the draft that Demin did not make a huge leap (he played well at Real but not nearly as well as he did to start this season) but it's not uncommon for players to show up early in the season only to then to struggle as competition gets tougher and opponents can scout you better. The player then either adjusts or, if unable to, will be fundamentally re-evaluated by scouts and observers. Seems like the latter is currently happening with Demin.
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Post#54 » by Catchall » Mon Jan 6, 2025 5:12 am

The handle and shooting don't appear to be strong enough at this stage for him to be a lead initiator. Kasparas has overtaken him pretty clearly. If he isn't your lead initiator and he doesn't shoot well, then what is he?
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Post#55 » by FarBeyondDriven » Mon Jan 6, 2025 8:09 am

Jstock12 wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:
lol this is embarrassing :lol:

I fear I and others crowned him prematurely. He isn't really like Cade, Topic or Giddey tbh. He's more like Lonzo in that he lacks aggression looking to score but can make any pass in the book and make the correct reads while spreading the floor with his shooting. Minus the defense of course. I like Lonzo so this isn't really a knock per se but he's not looking to be as good a prospect as I initially thought.

My concern is the athleticism. Where is it? Like is he even a slightly below average athlete?

He's a decent leaper, and is pretty fluid in his movement. Decent straight line speed too. The big question mark is about his lateral quicks. Those might be quite below NBA average. Not much of a first step either.


as has been pointed out already, he's not great going left so he's much easier to defend and it saps some of his options to showcase his athleticism. These guys aren't finished products. You don't see a lot of 6'7" plus point guards with his feel for the game. I'm sure he'll improve his handle, get stronger and work on his defense which is why I can't drop him far. But I'm a sucker for guys like him and long 4/5 archetypes and they almost never hit like I think they will so I could be wrong.
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Post#56 » by Bucks4005 » Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:13 am

I,mean, with his lack of athleticism and overall speed, you almost think you might try and turn him into a big? Bulk him up a ton and let him outskill players with his size since he can’t do it with his athleticism. Like, a super skilled 4 who plays defense with size? Cause long term, it just seems he’s gonna struggle defending guards, so if he has to defend bigs, at 6-9, why not just bulk him up and make him a big?
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Post#57 » by Jstock12 » Tue Jan 7, 2025 12:34 pm

Bucks4005 wrote:I,mean, with his lack of athleticism and overall speed, you almost think you might try and turn him into a big? Bulk him up a ton and let him outskill players with his size since he can’t do it with his athleticism. Like, a super skilled 4 who plays defense with size? Cause long term, it just seems he’s gonna struggle defending guards, so if he has to defend bigs, at 6-9, why not just bulk him up and make him a big?

Ha, I actually had the same thought. With a particular player in mind.

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Post#58 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jan 7, 2025 3:19 pm

Ya he is still a Top-10 guy to me - but he is looking more like a guy that can do a bit of everything than a lead initiatior.

He has failed to score double digits 4 games in a row now and in 5/10 games total. Thats pretty noteworthy.
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Re: Egor Demin - BYU 

Post#59 » by JMAC3 » Tue Jan 7, 2025 6:13 pm

Kyle Anderson 2.0? idk enough about him to really label him but from reading other comments it seems in line.
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Post#60 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jan 7, 2025 7:45 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Kyle Anderson 2.0? idk enough about him to really label him but from reading other comments it seems in line.


I dont see it. Anderson was slower and less athletic than Demin - by a good margin too IMO. Also think Egor has some upside as a shooter that Anderson just lacked. On the other hand, despite being a better athlete Demin isnt close to having the defensive IQ of Kyle. Anderson for a time was a near savant on defense, and the advanced stats back this up.

I think he is more in line with a Deni Avdija as a high end outcome but even that isnt a great comparison. He is hard to find a comp for IMO.

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