The Sum of All Jeremiah Fears

Negrodamus · Post #41 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:52 pm

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I think this is fair if he's not getting a top 10 grade at the combine. If he doesn't have 100% confidence that Moser can bring in competent big men in the transfer portal or if Moser will even be the coach, he should probably just transfer to a school that can insulate him more with talent. Jalon Moore is good but they don't have anyone else over 6'6 that is worth a damn on that team, so it's kind of unfair to judge him too harshly as one of the younger prospects in the draft having to carry the load for the team.

That said, I'd still take him top 10. As he fills out more and gets comfortable shooting 3s, he's going to be a force, imo.

The-Power · Post #42 » by **The-Power** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:00 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I think this is fair if he's not getting a top 10 grade at the combine.

That would still require a lot of confidence. I can't see him pulling out if he's expected to go in the top 20. In the 20s? It's a bit trickier because you may never get a lot of chances to play and improve in the NBA. Back then, I'd have still advised players to take the guaranteed contract but NIL money changes the calculus here.

He should still consider it long and hard, though. Because it would not take a ton for a player like him to drop out of the first round entirely next year. A lack of obvious improvement or an extended shooting slump could easily burn him. Of course there's also the chance he breaks out and vaults himself up the draft boards; but it's important to bear in mind that it most definitely cannot only go up for him. It can also go down.

Negrodamus · Post #43 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:11 pm

The-Power wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I think this is fair if he's not getting a top 10 grade at the combine.

That would still require a lot of confidence. I can't see him pulling out if he's expected to go in the top 20. In the 20s? It's a bit trickier because you may never get a lot of chances to play and improve in the NBA. Back then, I'd have still advised players to take the guaranteed contract but NIL money changes the calculus here.

He should still consider it long and hard, though. Because it would not take a ton for a player like him to drop out of the first round entirely next year. A lack of obvious improvement or an extended shooting slump could easily burn him. Of course there's also the chance he breaks out and vaults himself up the draft boards; but it's important to bear in mind that it most definitely cannot only go up for him. It can also go down.

If he's truly 6'4, an offseason of putting weight on would be a game changer for him. I don't know, I think his skillset is worthy of a top 3 prospect, possibly number 1, if he were putting together a winning season and his advanced stats were better. If he comes back, I think it'll be similar to another former OU player, Blake Griffin, where were discussing POY and top overall pick next draft. The only way I'd expect things to go down for him would be if he gets injured.

The-Power · Post #44 » by **The-Power** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 5:49 pm

Negrodamus wrote:If he's truly 6'4

We can see him on the court and he looks small, so I would be shocked if he's anywhere near that mark. If I had to bet I'd wager that he'll measure around 6'1 w/o shoes.

Negrodamus · Post #45 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 5:57 pm

The-Power wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If he's truly 6'4

We can see him on the court and he looks small, so I would be shocked if he's anywhere near that mark. If I had to bet I'd wager that he'll measure around 6'1 w/o shoes.

If we're to believe Brad Underwood was 6'4 in college, he's probably shrunk an inch in his old age. This was also taken while Fears was in high school. So I'd say he's probably between 6'1.5, 6'2 without shoes, which puts him at 6'3- 6'3.5 with shoes. Not terrible as a point guard.

The-Power · Post #46 » by **The-Power** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:10 pm

Negrodamus wrote:If we're to believe Brad Underwood was 6'4 in college, he's probably shrunk an inch in his old age. This was also taken while Fears was in high school. So I'd say he's probably between 6'1.5, 6'2 without shoes, which puts him at 6'3- 6'3.5 with shoes. Not terrible as a point guard.

Just checked it and Fears was measured standing 6'1 w/o shoes and with a 6'3 wingspan in June 2023 at the Nike Elite 100 Camp. Even if we believe that he grew a bit (certainly possible) I doubt he'll end up having plus size as a PG. Which means he'll need supreme skill to succeed in the NBA as a primary option. Not impossible but I fear the odds might not be in his favor.

EvanZ · Post #47 » by **EvanZ** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:47 pm

The-Power wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If we're to believe Brad Underwood was 6'4 in college, he's probably shrunk an inch in his old age. This was also taken while Fears was in high school. So I'd say he's probably between 6'1.5, 6'2 without shoes, which puts him at 6'3- 6'3.5 with shoes. Not terrible as a point guard.

Just checked it and Fears was measured standing 6'1 w/o shoes and with a 6'3 wingspan in June 2023 at the Nike Elite 100 Camp. Even if we believe that he grew a bit (certainly possible) I doubt he'll end up having plus size as a PG. Which means he'll need supreme skill to succeed in the NBA as a primary option. Not impossible but I fear the odds might not be in his favor.

Keep in mind he's extremely young. Oct 2006 bday. So he was still 16 in June 2023. He could have easily grown significantly since then.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #48 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:28 pm

he's just not been good at basketball. yeah, he's young, but there are a lot of young guys - you shouldn't draft somebody just because they are young - hell, i was young once. they should actually be good at basketball.

in conference play - now a sizeable sample - this dude is averaging 12 ppg on 37% FGs and 25% 3pt. averaging more turnovers than assists. he's not really good at anything. and he's small. i guess he rebounds his position pretty well?

babyjax13 · Post #49 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:53 pm

EvanZ wrote:
The-Power wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If we're to believe Brad Underwood was 6'4 in college, he's probably shrunk an inch in his old age. This was also taken while Fears was in high school. So I'd say he's probably between 6'1.5, 6'2 without shoes, which puts him at 6'3- 6'3.5 with shoes. Not terrible as a point guard.

Just checked it and Fears was measured standing 6'1 w/o shoes and with a 6'3 wingspan in June 2023 at the Nike Elite 100 Camp. Even if we believe that he grew a bit (certainly possible) I doubt he'll end up having plus size as a PG. Which means he'll need supreme skill to succeed in the NBA as a primary option. Not impossible but I fear the odds might not be in his favor.

Keep in mind he's extremely young. Oct 2006 bday. So he was still 16 in June 2023. He could have easily grown significantly since then.

Do you think he should return to school, or enter the draft?

I have not gotten to watch almost any basketball since conference play started, but I really liked him in the first 1/3rd of the season.

clyde21 · Post #50 » by **clyde21** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:10 am

i love the movement skills on this kid, that's all I will say for now

The-Power · Post #51 » by **The-Power** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:45 am

EvanZ wrote:Keep in mind he's extremely young. Oct 2006 bday. So he was still 16 in June 2023. He could have easily grown significantly since then.

Yeah, not denying that. But those measurements (not just height but also wingspan) in combination with him indeed looking small on the court give me pause at least until we have up-to-date measurements.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #52 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:14 pm

one of the guys I'd say has a chance to be the best player in this draft class, not named Flagg. Reminds me of Isiah Thomas with how quick he is while dribbling and his first step will play so well with open space. He looks similar in height to Scoot. He's definitely not 6'4" imo, probably close to 6'2" without sneakers.

RipCity71252 · Post #53 » by **RipCity71252** » Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:56 pm

Probably had his best game of his career today vs Miss State.

It's been tough to watch him struggle in conference play after being unreasonably high on him early so nice to see him have a nice bounce back the last couple games vs good comp.

His ability to get anywhere on the floor with a unique blend of speed and deceptive handle...those traits are still worth betting on in the lottery.

Negrodamus · Post #54 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:52 am

Should be a top 5 pick. Only reason not would be his height. Otherwise, he's the real deal.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #55 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:37 am

Negrodamus wrote:Should be a top 5 pick. Only reason not would be his height. Otherwise, he's the real deal.

similar prospect to Scoot as far as overall talent. Like Scoot, the shot doesn't inspire confidence and is a legit concern though.

Negrodamus · Post #56 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Feb 27, 2025 1:05 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Should be a top 5 pick. Only reason not would be his height. Otherwise, he's the real deal.

similar prospect to Scoot as far as overall talent. Like Scoot, the shot doesn't inspire confidence and is a legit concern though.

I actually feel real good about his shot. Very comfortable pulling up in the midrange. It looks very solid, compact with no hitch. He’s shooting 83% from FT so the motion is replicable and consistent. Get him with a shooting coach once he hits the NBA and he’ll be more comfortable from three. The real transformation will be when he stops looking like a scrawny teenage and puts muscle on his frame. Then he’s going to be a major problem.

greg4012 · Post #57 » by **greg4012** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 6:31 pm

Given all of the other indicators, I bet on Fears becoming a positive shooter in the NBA every time.

FT percentage of 85%
~36% on catch & shoot 3s
Over 7 3PA per 100 possessions
46% on midrange jumpers (92% of which were off the dribble)

Every first round pick since 2008 that has shot over 80% from the FT line and at least 7 3PA per 100 possessions as a freshman went on to be a capable 3pt shooter in the NBA.

Every first round pick since 2008 that shot over 80% from the FT line and over 40% on midrange jumpers as a freshman went on to be a true threat as a 3pt shooter in the NBA (source: https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minGP=15&minFT=0.8&minmidper=0.4&minpick=30&yvalue=Fr&year=all&start=-11101&end=all0501&pickSelect=-1)

My preferred player comp for Fears right now is John Wall (just a year younger in development)

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=jeremiah-fears--john-wall

tontoz · Post #58 » by **tontoz** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 6:58 pm

Watching one of the No Ceilings vids today and they pointed out Fears shot only 44% at the rim.

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jasonxxx102 · Post #59 » by **jasonxxx102** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:01 pm

Nets are gonna love this guy. Him and Cam Thomas can go back and forth chucking shots until the net falls off

Catchall · Post #60 » by **Catchall** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:37 pm

I think he'd be comparable to the Tyrese Maxey of this draft. Talent level is high. Shooting efficiency is a question, and he might be better served not having to try to be the lead guard on every possession. I'd expect him to get picked in the back half of the lottery in this draft. Maybe his range is like 8-14 atm.

Heightwise, I think he's a half-inch or so taller than Steph Curry.