Derrick Rose's choking affect his draft stock?

[Cammo101]

When Kansas went to the box and 1 on CDR Rose immediately shredded them. That was because he finally wasn't being covered on the perimeter by 2 guys. Kansas immediately shelved that idea and went back to doubling Rose on the perimeter. Memphis needed to make jumpers and did not.

[bill curley II]

I really don't get your arguments. He should either get to the basket and score or drive and kick for an open shot for his teammates. Anderson and CDR didn't get any open looks late in the game. Instead, he decides to take contested 3's or give it up late in the game. Who cares if they're bad shooters. That's all the more reason to try to get them an open look rather than a contested one.

[tester551]

I have to admit. I was more impressed with Rose's play tonight (as a PG) than I was the previous 2 games.

Previously, I thought he would be like AI or Marburry and drive and shoot 80% of the time. Tonight, I actually saw him make some nice passes and distribute the ball.

[Cammo101]

I really don't get your arguments. He should either get to the basket and score or drive and kick for an open shot for his teammates. Anderson and CDR didn't get any open looks late in the game. Instead, he decides to take contested 3's or give it up late in the game. Who cares if they're bad shooters. That's all the more reason to try to get them an open look rather than a contested one.

They overplayed him with 2 guys on the perimeter to get the ball out of his hands all night. When that happens a good point guard passes to his now wide open wing players. Those wing players then need to punish the overplay on the PG. Memphis did not do that and it allowed them to bottle up Rose with both sides of the pick all night. 2 perimeter defenders on a team like Kansas can keep any PG out of the paint. Teams simply must punish that by hitting open jumpers or getting open layups from their wing players.

I do not understand what is so hard to get about getting to the basket when covered by 2 guys is difficult.

[Cammo101]

I have to admit. I was more impressed with Rose's play tonight (as a PG) than I was the previous 2 games.

Previously, I thought he would be like AI or Marburry and drive and shoot 80% of the time. Tonight, I actually saw him make some nice passes and distribute the ball.

I agree for the most part. It was his teammates that let him down. That said, I still think he needed to be more assertive early on. It was not his best game, but not his worst either like some seem to be saying.

[bill curley II]

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I do not understand what is so hard to get about getting to the basket when covered by 2 guys is difficult.

Yeah but he still couldn't get by either Collins or Robinson. If they bring help, kick it out to the open guy. Don't pound it and give it up without even drawing the defense away from his teammates. Even earlier in the game, he was getting caught in the air or on the baseline b/c he couldn't get by his defender, and that had nothing to do with his wing players.

[imgrindin247]

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They overplayed him with 2 guys on the perimeter to get the ball out of his hands all night. When that happens a good point guard passes to his now wide open wing players. Those wing players then need to punish the overplay on the PG. Memphis did not do that and it allowed them to bottle up Rose with both sides of the pick all night. 2 perimeter defenders on a team like Kansas can keep any PG out of the paint. Teams simply must punish that by hitting open jumpers or getting open layups from their wing players.

I do not understand what is so hard to get about getting to the basket when covered by 2 guys is difficult.

I think Kansas just had an excellent game plan tonight. If you stop penetration from Memphis, you essentially shut them down. They dared Memphis to beat them from the outside and they couldn't do it. A big part of Memphis' offense is just getting shots up to the rim on the penetration and grabbing offensive boards for easy junk buckets and for the most part, Kansas didn't allow this to happen. Calipari should have given his better shooters like Kemp and Mack a chance to get in the game and make Kansas pay for not covering the 3 point line.

[tester551]

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They overplayed him with 2 guys on the perimeter to get the ball out of his hands all night. When that happens a good point guard passes to his now wide open wing players. Those wing players then need to punish the overplay on the PG. Memphis did not do that and it allowed them to bottle up Rose with both sides of the pick all night. 2 perimeter defenders on a team like Kansas can keep any PG out of the paint. Teams simply must punish that by hitting open jumpers or getting open layups from their wing players.

I do not understand what is so hard to get about getting to the basket when covered by 2 guys is difficult.

He needs to learn how to split the double team and take it up the lane. He had plenty of oportunities to change directions and attack the rim. Regardless, a sound game - not spectacular, but defenately solid.

[bill curley II]

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I think Kansas just had an excellent game plan tonight. If you stop penetration from Memphis, you essentially shut them down. They dared Memphis to beat them from the outside and they couldn't do it. A big part of Memphis' offense is just getting shots up to the rim on the penetration and grabbing offensive boards for easy junk buckets and for the most part, Kansas didn't allow this to happen. Calipari should have given his better shooters like Kemp and Mack a chance to get in the game and make Kansas pay for not covering the 3 point line.

I agree with you on that. I thought the whole year, Cal did a bad job of developing his bench. Willie Kemp is a very talented player, but I don't know what he did to piss off Cal this offseason b/c he never got a chance. But hats off to Kansas and Bill Self. They had a great gameplan, used that great frontline and totally shut down Memphis's transition offense.

[cdash]

Douglas-Roberts choked a lot more than Rose did. Rose was the best player out there for either team, and I dont think its that close.

[Bob Ortegal]

Yea he did. But when Rose could have put the game out of reach with 2 made free throws he couldnt do it. Winners win.

[DanTown8587]

This game cemented to me that Beasley should go number one. Why? Derrick Rose is incredibly talented but to many times this year he disappeared and Beasley never did. The Xavier game, though Beasley struggled offensively, he was in foul trouble after a few terrible calls and his team never committed themselves to getting him the ball. Now, in the pros you definitely cannot do that and succeed, so I think Rose still could be the better of the two if they both project to their ability, but if he doesn't you will want Beasley.

[Cammo101]

This game cemented to me that Beasley should go number one. Why? Derrick Rose is incredibly talented but to many times this year he disappeared and Beasley never did. The Xavier game, though Beasley struggled offensively, he was in foul trouble after a few terrible calls and his team never committed themselves to getting him the ball. Now, in the pros you definitely cannot do that and succeed, so I think Rose still could be the better of the two if they both project to their ability, but if he doesn't you will want Beasley.

Rose dissapeared in games because he had talent around him. That is what good team players do, they take a backseat and let others around them play the hot hand.

The fact that anyone thinks Rose disappeared tonight in a game where he went for 18,8,6 against the best defensive backcourt in the country tells me that some people are just looking for any reason to bash this kid.

Rose could have easily gone to some crap school and put up numbers just as jaw dropping as what Beasley did. But, instead he went somewhere to win and was willing to conceed his numbers to do so. That is a novel concept.

[sirgant1]

This game cemented to me that Beasley should go number one. Why? Derrick Rose is incredibly talented but to many times this year he disappeared and Beasley never did. The Xavier game, though Beasley struggled offensively, he was in foul trouble after a few terrible calls and his team never committed themselves to getting him the ball. Now, in the pros you definitely cannot do that and succeed, so I think Rose still could be the better of the two if they both project to their ability, but if he doesn't you will want Beasley.

One rough outing in the NCAA championship game won't cement Beasley as #1 in a game in which he didn't even get too. Any intelligent GM would never make such a move. Who goes #1 will be based on that team's need.

Rose, let us not forget is a true freshman, who has a lot to learn as far as running a team. PG is the most difficult position to play, and he should be a great one. All the silly comparison's like he won't be better than Deron Williams are premature and useless. The kid has a bright future ahead of him, and will continue to work and improve. Scary thought.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

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Rose could have easily gone to some crap school and put up numbers just as jaw dropping as what Beasley did.

I dont know about that....playing in a team with as much talent as K. State hed see plenty of hard double teams..he only saw that in the 1st half today and he looked a bit sloppy, i ahvent seen him get doubled much, just 1 on 1 on that Calipari offense that suits him perfectly.

[NO-KG-AI]

I love how a players stock can go up because he was bounced from the tourney without getting to the big games, and another player can get to the championship and drop for that one bad game.

[DanTown8587]

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Rose dissapeared in games because he had talent around him. That is what good team players do, they take a backseat and let others around them play the hot hand.

The fact that anyone thinks Rose disappeared tonight in a game where he went for 18,8,6 against the best defensive backcourt in the country tells me that some people are just looking for any reason to bash this kid.

Rose could have easily gone to some crap school and put up numbers just as jaw dropping as what Beasley did. But, instead he went somewhere to win and was willing to conceed his numbers to do so. That is a novel concept.

The end of the game stats were great, but you couldn't have said Rose played the first half well at all. I think he had three points and two turnovers and two assists. He was great the final 15 minutes of regulation, but Billy Packer said it best (I can't believe I am agreeing with him) when he said Rose was giving the ball up and was making himself to easy to guard.

Beasley was the consensus #1 player all year and did he do anything to lose that? No. Was Rose GREAT this tournament and made it an argument for the top spot? Yes.

And I love that you are dissing what Beasley did in the Big 12 (probably the deepest conference in the nation) and praising Rose for going to Conference USA.

And good players don't disappear. Ever. They are TOO GOOD to disappear. And they especially don't do it for entire games or halves in the National Title Game.

[5DOM]

I love how a players stock can go up because he was bounced from the tourney without getting to the big games, and another player can get to the championship and drop for that one bad game.

that "could" happen.

but i dont think thats the case for rose.

[DaGoodz]

Does anybody realize how much CDR bails Rose out, Rose always give the ball to CDR in pressure situations.
I don't think of Rose as a #1 option on your team, he just seems liek a great sidekick type of player to me. I think he would struggle on a team where he is the #1 option

[moocow007]

Cost his team the championship it looks like

I don't know CDR's chucking (and choking and poor decision making) was more the reason for letting the championship slip away. Rose should have tried to take over the game more than he did late, that was his mistake IMHO but CDR just isn't the no.1 option that I think he thinks he is.