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Re: A little perspective on Beasley 

Post#41 » by old rem » Fri May 30, 2008 8:02 pm

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Beasley was the top rebounder in the NCAA as a frosh and in a major conference. The mindset involved in getting 12 rbd per is something that has always carried over to the pros. Some college rebounders don't quite have the total game (scoring especially) to play major NBA minutes but historically--the guys who rbd 10+ in college turn into real effective NBA rebounders while guys who SEEM to have the physical tools-yet settle for maybe 6 rbd per in college-don't tend to transform.

Rebounding superiority tends to indicate toughness and willpower. You have to WANT it to be a top RBD guy. Often that same mindset CAN mean there's the personal motivation to also become a real good defender.

In College ball...a team like K State does not WANT a star like Beasley to use too much energy on D. They have plenty of guys who can't deliver 25/12 every game--and those guys can chase folks on D.

In the NBA,the overall level is a lot higher and everyone has to go max all around. Coaches are seldom telling guys to ration their energy,save it for the offensive end.

For a player at his level...Beasley has not tended to reveal much of his personality,I don't get a feel for the man behind the player. That's about my only concern. Even so--that might be a good thing.
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Post#42 » by old rem » Fri May 30, 2008 8:32 pm

richboy wrote:When did Stoudemire develop a post game. Amare scores out of pick-n-roll or facing up. Stoudemire is not a very good post player.

Charles Barkley said it best. To be a great post player you need a big butt and fat legs. Its one of the reasons why Dwight can be pushed off the block so much easier than some smaller players.


:lol: Charles has a knack for saying things that sound goofy at first...yet are true. Low post does require traction and leverage and the guy who's 6-11 and 215 just won't have that. Bulk however...tends to limit top speed and first-step quickness. The best power players have the bulk but are also guys with special athletic abilitiy relatively. Karl Malone at 225 probably would have been a real good,quick,player--but he'd be a totally different player.

Most guys just don't have the whole set of tools a Barkley or Malone has-and they try to find the right tradeoff. That does not always work. GSW drafted T Murphy and had him bulk up. He became a better rebounder but lost his hops and quickness. He gained 2-3 rbd per,but lost out on D,less quicks,and it probably cost him 4 pt per as a scorer.

A bit later..GSW gets Ike Diogu who had a great low post game....but GSW didn't have low post in the offensive plan. Ike SHOULD have been asked to drop 10 lb,trade off some of his ample low post power for more transition mobility. Basically...the team blew it-wanted PF's to pack pounds to play some C...while their best potential as PF's was mostly wasted and there wasn't much done with them to make use of the bulk/power.
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Post#43 » by _BBIB_ » Fri May 30, 2008 11:36 pm

kodo wrote:DX said the best case for Beasley was Stoudemire/Jamison, their best cases almost never happen. The DX best case for Redick is Michael Redd.

6' 9" in shoes 230 is not big enough to be a dominant low post PF, that's SF size. People look too much at the height and not the weight.

Stoudemire: 6' 10" 250 lbs
Boozer: 6' 9" 270 lbs
Brand: 6' 8" 254 lbs
Dwight Howard: 6' 10" 270 lbs

At 6' 9" 230 his body type resembles Antawn Jamison, Rashard Lewis & Lamar Odom. And he's shorter than two of those three.

To be a dominant PF you need either length (Bosh, KG) or power/strength (Dwight, Brand, Boozer) or both (Duncan).

Anyway, Beasley's natural athleticism would be a waste at the PF spot. If you have someone as athletic as for example, Lebron James, you don't turn him into a slow, half-court back to the basket guy just because he's big enough to play the 4.


Slow? Are you kidding. His athleticism would be a lot more pronounced at the PF position. It's the same with the Hawks when they moved Josh Smith to the 4. He went from above average athleticism to ELITE on the block.

Beasley may not jump out of a gym like Josh Smith but he would certainly have elite athleticism at the 4 position.

You don't put him on the block? Beasley's best asset of his game right now are his post skills beyond his years. It's humorous how clueless some people are in terms of evaluating his strengths and weaknesses.

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