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Post#41 » by GJense4181 » Tue Jun 3, 2008 5:31 am

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Hardin was the average center I was talking about. Ibaka is a PF who is not big enough to play center. If he is a center, then so is JJ Hickson. Pekovic would be absolutely perfect, except for the small problem of being locked up in a multiyear deal in Europe (where he says he wants to stay). I would assume Detroit would want a guy to play sometime before Billups retires. If so, then Pekovic is not your guy. Pekovic is going at the top of the 2nd round for a reason, because he may never end up in America. This is a risk people are willing to take in the 2nd round, but it makes zero sense for a contender like Detroit.

Contrary to popular belief, I do think this whole mock draft thing through before posting it.

Ibaka could wind up a C. Even if he doesn't, at least he's a 6'10" PF. I have no problem with Maxiell masquerading as a 6'7" C if the guy next to him is 6'10"-6'11".
The Pistons can wait on Pekovic. Two years, at least, until Rasheed and McDyess have expired.

You still didn't address Casspi. He's a big SF. We need that.

We would take Lawson over a PF. A third string PG is better than a fourth string PF.

Billups/Stuckey and Lawson
Hamilton/Stuckey and Afflalo
Prince/Afflalo and Johnson
McDyess/Johnson/Maxiell
Wallace/Maxiell/Samb

makes more sense than taking a PF.
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Post#42 » by Cammo101 » Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:22 am

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Cammo, do you predict draft pick trades? If so, I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the chances the Sonics swap their #24 & #32 to move up. And who'd they target.


I don't think they will package those picks to move up. The general thinking is that after the top tier guys, this draft has a lot of evenly rated talent. Most feel that you could get a guy at #24 just about as good as the guy at #15. I think Seattle would be smarter to use the #24 to get a guy at whatever guard position they don't take at #4. So for example, Lawson if they take Mayo or one of the many SGs if they take Bayless. Then with the #32 I think they will take whatever Euro big man they like best and leave him overseas. I suspect Presti will go the Spurs route of stockpiling Euro talent with his 2nd round picks.

I think a Bayless, CDR, Pekovic draft would be better than what they would get if they moved up. Unless they could somehow move up high enough to get a guy like Augustin, but that is unlikely.
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Post#43 » by Cammo101 » Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:25 am

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Ibaka could wind up a C. Even if he doesn't, at least he's a 6'10" PF. I have no problem with Maxiell masquerading as a 6'7" C if the guy next to him is 6'10"-6'11".
The Pistons can wait on Pekovic. Two years, at least, until Rasheed and McDyess have expired.

You still didn't address Casspi. He's a big SF. We need that.

We would take Lawson over a PF. A third string PG is better than a fourth string PF.

Billups/Stuckey and Lawson
Hamilton/Stuckey and Afflalo
Prince/Afflalo and Johnson
McDyess/Johnson/Maxiell
Wallace/Maxiell/Samb

makes more sense than taking a PF.


Caspi makes some sense, though the general consencous is that he won't help much in the first couple years. If Ibaka and Maxiell can play in the same frontline then so can Hickson and Maxiell.

Detroit can go many different directions here, and none seem all that appealing.
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Post#44 » by Liqourish » Tue Jun 3, 2008 3:28 pm

^ maybe not to you, but luckily Joe Dumars knows whats hes doing and most of his "what the hell was he thinking" moves, end up working out. :wink:

We know you don't like Hardin, but the truth is he's a legit C big man with great size, great brains, and has impressed quite a few in workouts. He's is late 1st, early 2nd material.

I don't know why you would think we need a player to play now, we need to build for the future. Sheed is an expiring contract and we have no Centers on the team besides Cheick Samb... we can draft a player who can wait a year and then develop. But we wouldn't need to with a sure thing like DeVon who, like you like to remind us constantly, has reacfhed his ceiling and wouldn't be drafted based on potential but what he can give us right now.
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Post#45 » by Cammo101 » Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:58 pm

Liqourish wrote:^ maybe not to you, but luckily Joe Dumars knows whats hes doing and most of his "what the hell was he thinking" moves, end up working out. :wink:

We know you don't like Hardin, but the truth is he's a legit C big man with great size, great brains, and has impressed quite a few in workouts. He's is late 1st, early 2nd material.

I don't know why you would think we need a player to play now, we need to build for the future. Sheed is an expiring contract and we have no Centers on the team besides Cheick Samb... we can draft a player who can wait a year and then develop. But we wouldn't need to with a sure thing like DeVon who, like you like to remind us constantly, has reacfhed his ceiling and wouldn't be drafted based on potential but what he can give us right now.


Hardin could not average 10 points in the Pac-10. If you think he is first round material then there are about 30 first round caliber big men in this draft.

For the record, I was pretty high on Hardin last year at this time. I think he hurt himself a lot by going back to school and having a bad senior year. He was a fringe first rounder last year, and this is a better, deeper draft and his stock is lower than this time last year. Hardin's uninspired play and chronic injuries made him a second round pick. not some vendetta I have for him.

PS: Dumar's draft record is extremely sketchy. For every contributor he has picked there is a string of guys who have done nothing. Dumars made that team through free agency, not the draft.
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Post#46 » by Cammo101 » Wed Jun 4, 2008 5:26 am

Since I am pretty sure this is the most viewed mock i have ever had, I figured I may as well post a bonus mock at no additional charge. Hot off the presses (6/4).


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Post#47 » by GSW2K4 » Wed Jun 4, 2008 5:41 am

Go to the Warriors board and see how folks respond to taking Chase Budinger at #14... :)
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Post#48 » by Cammo101 » Wed Jun 4, 2008 7:01 am

GSW2K4 wrote:Go to the Warriors board and see how folks respond to taking Chase Budinger at #14... :)


Are you saying they would not like it? Who do they want at #14?
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Post#49 » by WarFan » Wed Jun 4, 2008 8:38 am

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Are you saying they would not like it? Who do they want at #14?

Speights or Rush, maybe Arthur.
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Post#50 » by JN » Wed Jun 4, 2008 7:13 pm

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sadly no. At first he had us taking Hardin or Thompson, but then he got it in his head that DeVon Hardin is a useless player who isn't even on his latest big board and thus he's reduced the Pistons pick down to point gaurds and power forwards despite every Piston fan advising him otherwise. :crazy:


It's a late 20's pick.. they are often BPA, if you have happen to really like a certain player makeup. If it happens to fit a need great... but you can't seriously expect to get a rotation player for the upcoming season with a late 20's pick. Those needs will have to be filled through trade or minor signings.

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