DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get?

Post #41 » by **HomoSapien** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:39 am

That's what I mean. If you can put up 15, 9, and 2 blocks in 19 freaking minutes, can you really be lazy? Either he's just really dominant or he's outworking everyone in his limited minutes. I'm sure there are things he could improve, but statistically he's such a monster that I'm not really sure how much more we can reasonably expect him to do.

Relentless88 · Post #42 » by **Relentless88** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:45 am

I don't watch much College basketball but I don't know why he's slated to go so low in most mocks. Averaging 15/9 in less than 20 minutes is phenomenal. I was watching the Kentucky/Georgia game and he basically won Kentucky the game in the end.

ManualRam · Post #43 » by **ManualRam** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:59 am

HomoSapien wrote:That's what I mean. If you can put up 15, 9, and 2 blocks in 19 freaking minutes, can you really be lazy? Either he's just really dominant or he's outworking everyone in his limited minutes. I'm sure there are things he could improve, but statistically he's such a monster that I'm not really sure how much more we can reasonably expect him to do.

well, he IS a lot bigger and stronger than his competition.

the scary thing is how much better he could be if he dedicated himself more.
if you saw him in high school you'd know where the criticisms come from. when i watched him play it was obvious that he had a ton of skill and talent, but there were times where he would only trot up to the 3 pt line, becuz he was too lazy to run to the paint or becuz he didnt want to bang in the paint. there were other times where he barely made it past half court.

now he's not able to do that in college, which is a good thing. if his conditioning would be better he'd be able to play more than 19 minutes a game.

hopefully he tries to continue to shed that label and continues his production. he's an incredibly talented kid. i dont think he'll ever be a great athlete, but if he develops a good work ethic he'll be a better player than favors

hard49 · Post #44 » by **hard49** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:16 pm

I think we will know a lot about him with how hard he works to prepare for the predraft camp. In fact, his draft stock might require him to actually go to some workouts. Initially I was very anti-Cousins due to his work ethic and attitude but I think he should be going top 10.

John Wall, Derrick Favors, Wesley Johnson, Evan Turner, Ed Davis, and Xavier Henry are probably safer then Cousins but after that the talent to bust potential ration evens out. I would put him on the same level of John Henson if he were to come out.

Cousins is just so damn productive when he is on the court that he might be worth the risk at 7is and beyond.

ahartleyvu · Post #45 » by **ahartleyvu** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:51 pm

Stamina really isn't the main issue. If you watch, he gets a little heated when he is taken out. He wants to stay out there. But he is still a raw player... makes mistakes just like any other young player. Cal tends to yank players out of the game after mistakes. Plus, he has some fouling issues which limits his PT. Cal has a rule if you pick up the 2nd foul, you are done until the 2nd half. This is what usually gets him. Cuz will tear up the first 5 min, then pick up a foul and not play until the 2nd half. Pick up another cheap one in the beginning of the 2nd half. Then comes in the last 10 minutes and wins the game.

Post #46 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:33 pm

ManualRam wrote:cousins is a very underrated passer. in fact he hasnt been able to put on display half the ball skills that he possesses under calipari. it's probably for the best since guys his size arent supposed to hang out on the perimeter, but he definitely had the makings of an inside/outside game in high school.

It must be the system. Anyway, last 3 games (finally facing some competition) - 12 turnovers and 0 assists. Future coach killer.

Gilles · Post #47 » by **Gilles** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:50 am

Ruzious wrote:
ManualRam wrote:cousins is a very underrated passer. in fact he hasnt been able to put on display half the ball skills that he possesses under calipari. it's probably for the best since guys his size arent supposed to hang out on the perimeter, but he definitely had the makings of an inside/outside game in high school.

It must be the system. Anyway, last 3 games (finally facing some competition) - 12 turnovers and 0 assists. Future coach killer.

Where did you get that? Last 3 games: 4 assists and 6 TOs.

ponder276 · Post #48 » by **ponder276** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:33 am

Not a great game for Cousins tonight, started off the game missing a whole bunch of layups that he really should've dunked. Sick game by Bledsoe though, the kid is a baller and would be getting a lot more hype if he wasn't playing with an even better PG in Wall.

abark · Post #49 » by **abark** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:06 am

Here some of his per/40 numbers from Draft Express

Rank Category Total
1-----PER----- 40.2
1----- EFF/40----- 39.4
2----- WinSh/40----- 20.1
1----- Pts/40----- 31.6
1----- Reb/40----- 19.3
2----- ORB/40----- 7.6

With the amount of lazy, immature big men that go in the lottery anyway, I don't see how one this productive is left out.

Krazy!!! · Post #50 » by **Krazy!!!** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:12 pm

If he's still available in the draft...I hope the Bulls get him...and while he has some "Eddy Curry" in him (motivation and conditioning issues)....unlike Curry....what will work in Cousins favor are the following.

1.) He's already got a year of college under his belt so he has SOME idea of what it will take to get better as a ballplayer.

2.) He'll be surrounded by a much deeper veteran core than what Curry experienced during his first few years with the Bulls (which was a bunch of has been ballplayers mixed in with wet between the ear rookies/young vets and guys coming from the developmental league). So if he has any issues...I'm confident that guys like Joakim Noah will get in his grill.

Post #51 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:15 pm

Gilles wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
ManualRam wrote:cousins is a very underrated passer. in fact he hasnt been able to put on display half the ball skills that he possesses under calipari. it's probably for the best since guys his size arent supposed to hang out on the perimeter, but he definitely had the makings of an inside/outside game in high school.

It must be the system. Anyway, last 3 games (finally facing some competition) - 12 turnovers and 0 assists. Future coach killer.
Where did you get that? Last 3 games: 4 assists and 6 TOs.

My bad - I keep getting him mixed up with Favors - mental block on my part. Favors did that. Cousins is really surprising me. I thought Favors would be far ahead of him.

Piston Pete · Post #52 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:53 pm

If the draft was next week, would Cousins be a top-10 pick?

Post #53 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:38 pm

Piston Pete wrote:If the draft was next week, would Cousins be a top-10 pick?

Yes - great size, a near 40 PER as a frosh, good athleticism for that size... He'd have to be top 10 - even with questionable body language.

Cammo101 · Post #54 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:46 pm

Piston Pete wrote:If the draft was next week, would Cousins be a top-10 pick?

Depends who declares. Right now he is in the 10-15 range.

Piston Pete · Post #55 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:58 pm

I'm thinking he might be the perfect target for the Pistons, assuming they draft in the 6-11 range.

princeofpalace · Post #56 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:33 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:If the draft was next week, would Cousins be a top-10 pick?

Depends who declares. Right now he is in the 10-15 range.

Yep- I see him in this range also

Kyben36 · Post #57 » by **Kyben36** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:42 am

I dont know why everyone has him going so low though, when he went in to college, he was a top ranked recruit, and was considered a top 10 ( even top 5 ) pick. Now, he isnt anywhere close to that, mostly the late teens early 20s I see. I love him personly, and hope he falls, even if he is just a post player, the bulls need one,

Piston Pete · Post #58 » by **Piston Pete** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:48 am

I think his maturity issues - fair or not - have hurt his stock a little. If he has a solid NCAA tournament showing, all will be forgotten.

Village Idiot · Post #59 » by **Village Idiot** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:30 pm

I can see Portland gunning for him. He'd make an ideal back-up PF/C due to his size, athleticism and varied game. His attitude wouldn't be a big issue on a team with a clear leader, no bad eggs and professionalism throughout the organization.

hotshotschamp · Post #60 » by **hotshotschamp** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:49 pm

Man Cousins is a beast. He's around 10 and 10 today (saturday) at halftime. Almost always shoots very high fg%. Looks to be much more polished and much stronger than Favors.

I always hear about Favors upside, but I just think Cousins is a better basketball player, better touch around the basket, more brut strength, more productive.

I know their is questions about his attitude but he's also a 18 year old kid. Sky is the limit for him. He's the best scorer in the NCAA per 40 minutes I believe I read.