Mario Hezonja

pelifan · Post #401 » by **pelifan** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:13 am

I agree Rudy is a better athlete than Hezonja, but Rudy is currently 6'6" 185 (was 170) with a 6'7" wingspan and Mario is 6'8" 200 with a 6'10" wingspan.
I'd like to think that Hezonja will handle contact better in the NBA which is generally more physical.

TheTrooper · Post #402 » by **TheTrooper** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:09 am

Since when athleticism = vertical ? Than maybe Rudy is a better athlete. Otherwise no way.

There hasn't been a better combo of jumping, speed, size and strength than the one Hezonja has in Europe ever.

need4detroit · Post #403 » by **need4detroit** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:19 am

TheTrooper wrote:Since when athleticism = vertical ? Than maybe Rudy is a better athlete. Otherwise no way.

There hasn't been a better combo of jumping, speed, size and strength than the one Hezonja has in Europe ever.

I definitely agree that you can't judge a players athleticism purely on his vertical.

Rabash · Post #404 » by **Rabash** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:58 am

Mirotic12 wrote:He's obviously quite athletic. But the talk of how athletic he is in this thread is almost ridiculous. Every other person it seems is comparing him to Rudy Fernandez athletically, or even that he is more athletic than Rudy.

I automatically know anyone saying that has never seen Hezonja actually play a basketball game. Because while he is of course very athletic, he's not even close to as athletic as Rudy is. And it's silly for people to even be making comparisons between two of them in that way, let alone a lot of people claiming Hezonja is more athletic than Rudy.

Mario Hezonja is clearly a better athlete than Rudy Fernandez ever was. I have seen both a ton of games (in Europe and in the NBA) and Hezonja is on another galaxy athletically. He is bigger, stronger, faster and jumps higher.

UcanUwill · Post #405 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:28 am

Johnny Firpo wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:He reminds me of the young Marco Belinelli who had top notch athleticism and a shoot first mentality.

He is twice the athlete that Marco was and probably a better shooter as well. I like Belli and I actually think he is an underrated role player, but he was nowhere near the prospect Hezonja is. I'm not sure there is a single trait Bellinelli had over him. Maybe passing?

Bellineli was very talented. At age 20, he was already very advanced skill wise, and was one of the head guys on Italy and on Climamio. Guy was mini Ginobili. And do you remember his Summer league debut (22.8 points per game on 44.4% 3 point shooting)? Showed flashy passes, playmaking ability, dribble, shooting. Bellineli really is underachiever, I had really high hopes for him, I liked him better than Hezonja.

reapaman · Post #406 » by **reapaman** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:49 pm

The fact that people's arguments on why Mario is better than Fernandez or Belinelli is due to his athleticism (I personally think they all have comparable athleticism), is all you need to know.

High athleticism means little if you don't have the proper supporting abilities to take full advantage of it such as the ability to change speeds and directions, great ball handling, ect ... which he doesn't possess. Those things are extremely rare for a guy to significantly improve while in the NBA which Mario must do in conjunction with his other weaknesses especially on the defensive end to become anything close to a star in this league.

pohani komarac · Post #407 » by **pohani komarac** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:01 pm

he is much stronger and taller then bouth. anway he is much more similar to Nets Bojan Bogdanovic and then Belineli or Rudy as player, if of corse you are looking for withe europian as comparison since he is white and from europe. But he is much better then Bojan at that age.

anway other kids are curently playing 1 vs. 0, he is playing against best team in europe with establised players such as Rudy, Caroll, Sergio, Macullis...

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Mario-Hezonja-18-Point-ACB-Playoff-Finals-Performance-Video-Analysis-5116

away, like somene said Mario will be bust or star, nothing betwen. And it's only on him what he will become

bleedblue3303 · Post #408 » by **bleedblue3303** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:25 pm

Does he have to be a great athlete to be great in the NBA. If he can shoot it from anywhere on the floor and get through screens to get open then he will be great! Mario would have averaged well over 20 a game in college and would have been a top 3 pick if he went that route. I don't think anyone can argue that.

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princeofpalace · Post #409 » by **princeofpalace** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:36 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:Does he have to be a great athlete to be great in the NBA. If he can shoot it from anywhere on the floor and get through screens to get open then he will be great! Mario would have averaged well over 20 a game in college and would have been a top 3 pick if he went that route. I don't think anyone can argue that.

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What are you basing this on because people literally say this about ever foreign player in the lottery

reignfire · Post #410 » by **reignfire** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:54 pm

TheTrooper wrote:Since when athleticism = vertical ? Than maybe Rudy is a better athlete. Otherwise no way.

There hasn't been a better combo of jumping, speed, size and strength than the one Hezonja has in Europe ever.

Giannis? Unless you mean white player.

bleedblue3303 · Post #411 » by **bleedblue3303** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:16 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:Does he have to be a great athlete to be great in the NBA. If he can shoot it from anywhere on the floor and get through screens to get open then he will be great! Mario would have averaged well over 20 a game in college and would have been a top 3 pick if he went that route. I don't think anyone can argue that.

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What are you basing this on because people literally say this about ever foreign player in the lottery

I'm basing it on the fact he is a 68 Sg with a deadly shot! He was recruited on Kentucky so he would have been there starting 2. U don't think he gets 20 a night on Kentucky!

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princeofpalace · Post #412 » by **princeofpalace** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:23 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:Does he have to be a great athlete to be great in the NBA. If he can shoot it from anywhere on the floor and get through screens to get open then he will be great! Mario would have averaged well over 20 a game in college and would have been a top 3 pick if he went that route. I don't think anyone can argue that.

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What are you basing this on because people literally say this about ever foreign player in the lottery

I'm basing it on the fact he is a 68 Sg with a deadly shot! He was recruited on Kentucky so he would have been there starting 2. U don't think he gets 20 a night on Kentucky!

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So yeah, you are basing it off nothing. And Hezonja;s "deadly shot" is pretty average, a 37.7% 3pt shooter is good but not elite by any stretch of the imagination. Look at guys like Curry, Thompson, Korver, Redick, Irving, etc were doing in college. Hezonja's jumper is nowhere near elite or "deadly". He projects to be a good shooter but I think ppl are exaggerating his shooting abilities. Hes not even on Russell or Bookers level as a shooter IMO.

Also, was Hezonja measured officially anywhere?

pohani komarac · Post #413 » by **pohani komarac** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:56 pm

hezonja is natrual shooter, with practice in years he can become deadldly...if he will practice. it's all up to him.

that is just so easy to se that evryone who does not see it with eye test shold left this forum....and for those who can only read basketball trough stats at moment he is 65% this season from spot up-s

BoutPractice · Post #414 » by **BoutPractice** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:07 pm

The Kentucky example doesn't work, they're usually deep teams where shot duties and minutes are distributed between all the 4 or 5 star talents they "recruited", and no one is given a green light to just chuck.

I'm sure Hezonja could've averaged 20 ppg on some college teams, but not Kentucky. Even DeMarcus Cousins only got 15 ppg, Anthony Davis 14 ppg, and they're now 24+ ppg scorers in the NBA.

Anyway, back on his value as a prospect... another trouble I have with him is, I just can't picture what his ceiling looks like.

Maybe those who are high on him can help me figure it out. What does Hezonja being an NBA superstar look like, in practice? What kind of superstar is he? Let's imagine him as one of the best players in the NBA. "Hezonja is one of the best players in the NBA because..." How would you finish this sentence?

Rosque · Post #415 » by **Rosque** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:12 pm

For those doubting Hezonja's attitude I'm just gonna leave this article from 2 years ago..

“A tremendous talent. He’s got a little bit of a … how can I put this … he got fire in him. I like that. Sometimes he speaks when he’s not supposed to. But that’s good,” said Barcelona center Maciej Lampe.

“I think he’s going to develop into a great player one day. He’s just to keep his head cold and keep on working every day and learning. I like him a lot as a player and a person. He’s definitely … how can I say this … (smiling) he’s like a killer out there.”

When asked how Hezonja is as a person, Dorsey said: “He’s very mature for his age. Every day after practice he’s always asking questions. Asking me how was the NBA, how was my transition over to Europe. I just try to give him all the reasons I can tell him about basketball to help his game. But he’s going to be really good.”

There have been questions among observers about Hezonja’s attitude. When asked about those, Dorsey responded with: “I think people don’t know him. He’s a good kid. He gets frustrated at himself when he makes mistakes and everything like that. The biggest thing I try to tell him is when you make a mistake don’t show no facial expressions. That was the biggest thing I would do when I was in college. Just keep playing through the game. It’s a learning process for him.”

He continued: “Before practice he’s the first one in the gym. After practice, he’s the last one to leave. And I told him that’s what every NBA player does. Every great NBA players stays after and ask coaches questions, go over defensive schemes and stuff like that. If he does that and keeps working on his game, he can be really good. In practice, it’s like this kid is only 18 years old. He’s going to be really good.”

http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/nba/killer-hezonja-frustrated-at-himself-at-times-say-barca-teammates/

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Sports Geek · Post #417 » by **Sports Geek** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:03 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:
What are you basing this on because people literally say this about ever foreign player in the lottery

I'm basing it on the fact he is a 68 Sg with a deadly shot! He was recruited on Kentucky so he would have been there starting 2. U don't think he gets 20 a night on Kentucky!

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So yeah, you are basing it off nothing. And Hezonja;s "deadly shot" is pretty average, a 37.7% 3pt shooter is good but not elite by any stretch of the imagination. Look at guys like Curry, Thompson, Korver, Redick, Irving, etc were doing in college. Hezonja's jumper is nowhere near elite or "deadly". He projects to be a good shooter but I think ppl are exaggerating his shooting abilities. Hes not even on Russell or Bookers level as a shooter IMO.

Also, was Hezonja measured officially anywhere?

People that watch him play on a regular basis, don't overrate his shooting abilities. They know he is a deadly shooter. 5/6 in the ACB finals for a youngster is pretty amazing. Anyway, even if you want to watch him play, you couldn't because he is not having the minutes his talent deserves. I think Xavi Pascual is punishing him because of his unmature attitude.

Anyway, college basketball is a joke. I have to admit I only watch the Final Four and if those are the top 4 teams in the country... I suppose talent is spread all over the country and the top players don't share a team. Of course any of those star European pro players would make 20 p.p.g in the NCAA. And when I say star European pro players, I mean Hezonja, Rubio, Fernández, Mirotic, Bellinelli,...

Officially measured? What do you mean? Do you know who this guy is playing for? The second most valuable sports club in the world. Well over any NBA franchise, Including the L.A. Lakers or the New York Knicks according to Forbes. Of course he has been officially measured. I don't know if F.C. Barcelona owns a High Performance Centre like Real Madrid does, but trust me, players are more than monitored before they even sign with the club.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbespr/2014/07/16/forbes-announces-the-worlds-50-most-valuable-sports-teams/

PS: I'm a Real Madrid fan, I would love Hezonja to be worse. Unluckily he isn't.

Rosque · Post #418 » by **Rosque** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:06 pm

Sports Geek wrote:I think Xavi Pascual is punishing him because of his unmature attitude.

He just doesn't want to develop him for NBA teams. He plays him when needed (as seen vs you guys the other night and today probably) and rarely against teams like Sevilla that can be beaten easily with Navarro, Huertas and Tomic running the show.

Mustinjo · Post #419 » by **Mustinjo** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:29 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/612621279422578690[/tweet]

cedric76 · Post #420 » by **cedric76** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:08 pm

Mustinjo wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/612621279422578690[/tweet]

What a winner, being swept shouldn't even be an option for this guy

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