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HadAnEffectHere wrote:I'm sorry, but Sheppard is 6'1", 187, he's going to get switch hunted and shoved to the ground by Tatum etc every single play.
It doesn't matter how good his feel is, he's going to be treated like a bowling pin as long as the rules allow forwards to shove guards.
None of his help defense will matter at all because he'll be on ball always and getting shoved to the ground constantly.
Hal14 wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:I'm sorry, but Sheppard is 6'1", 187, he's going to get switch hunted and shoved to the ground by Tatum etc every single play.
It doesn't matter how good his feel is, he's going to be treated like a bowling pin as long as the rules allow forwards to shove guards.
None of his help defense will matter at all because he'll be on ball always and getting shoved to the ground constantly.
This guy thinks we're talking about football or Rugby lmao.
Wrong sport, dude.
Hal14 wrote:3 things:
1) I make a long post where I make like 20 different points. All you've got to reply back is nitpicking some minor point about blocks....WEAK. You've got nothing to say about the other 19 points I made? Well, I guess Sheppard *is* a top 10 pick then
2) WEAK to put blocks per game. Who still uses per game averages? Let's get with the times here and use blocks %
2) You seem to fixate too much on size, athleticism and length. Here's the career blocks % for each guy during college:
Derrick White: 4.9
Gary Payton II: 3.2
Reed Sheppard: 2.8
Marcus Smart: 2.1
Lonzo Ball: 2.1
Dyson Daniels: 2.0
Caruso: 1.8
Anthony Black: 1.8
Dillon Brooks: 1.7
Jrue Holiday: 1.7
Dennis Smith Jr: 1.2
Jalen Suggs: 1.1
Pat Beverley: 0.9
Dejounte Murray: 0.8
Lu Dort: 0.8
Kyle Lowry: 0.6
Chris Paul: 0.4
If these other guys have better physical tools, than why couldn't they block more shots than Sheppard?
Again, no other player since 2008 has hit the marks Sheppard has defensively (steals %, blocks %, DBPM, d-rebound %). If those other guards have better physical tools, then they should have blown Sheppard out of the water in these categories, no? Especially considering a lot of the guys I listed above played 3-4 yrs of college so that would help them have a higher career blocks % than a guy who's only a freshman..
Sure, physical tools matter. But a lot of defense is about instincts, timing. Having quick hands. Having basketball IQ. Being really aggressive, without being so aggressive that you foul too much. Having sound technique when defending someone, not biting on fakes, etc. Sheppard has all that stuff.
JMAC3 wrote:Comparing Reed Sheppard to career 7 ppg John Paxson who played with the GOAT of his time as a reason why Reed should be a top 8 pick is wild.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:EvanZ wrote:I can only imagine the terror Reed Sheppard would inflict if he was the starting point guard for Santa Clara.
We have data on Reed Sheppard creating his own shot in high school and it did not go well at all, actually.
"Sheppard is a throwback style guard who is skilled and exceptionally sound fundamentally. He is a solid athlete, but not dynamic or totally explosive. His attack is based on his ability to shoot the ball, make sound decisions, and process the game. He has a high and compact release that allows him to get his shot off and rates as one of the best free-throw shooters on any of the three major circuits at over 90%. He plays strong with the ball, is tight and efficient with it as a handler, has good use of both hands, and snaps his passes. He’s supremely confident in his approach and is capable of playing on and off the ball. Because he’s a tad upright off the dribble and lacks that extra gear of burst, he isn’t always able to flatten defensive pressure and ends up settling for tough shots. He converted only 29% of his three-point attempts as a result and while he’s a better shooter than that number indicates, his three-point range is going to be an even bigger emphasis at the next level and so being a driller is crucial. Defensively, he’s going to rely more on his intellect, physicality, and toughness than he is sheer footspeed."
https://247sports.com/player/reed-sheppard-46102800/
JMAC3 wrote:Comparing Reed Sheppard to career 7 ppg John Paxson who played with the GOAT of his time as a reason why Reed should be a top 8 pick is wild.
Hal14 wrote:JMAC3 wrote:Comparing Reed Sheppard to career 7 ppg John Paxson who played with the GOAT of his time as a reason why Reed should be a top 8 pick is wild.
In this draft? No, that's not wild at all.
EvanZ wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:EvanZ wrote:I can only imagine the terror Reed Sheppard would inflict if he was the starting point guard for Santa Clara.
We have data on Reed Sheppard creating his own shot in high school and it did not go well at all, actually.
"Sheppard is a throwback style guard who is skilled and exceptionally sound fundamentally. He is a solid athlete, but not dynamic or totally explosive. His attack is based on his ability to shoot the ball, make sound decisions, and process the game. He has a high and compact release that allows him to get his shot off and rates as one of the best free-throw shooters on any of the three major circuits at over 90%. He plays strong with the ball, is tight and efficient with it as a handler, has good use of both hands, and snaps his passes. He’s supremely confident in his approach and is capable of playing on and off the ball. Because he’s a tad upright off the dribble and lacks that extra gear of burst, he isn’t always able to flatten defensive pressure and ends up settling for tough shots. He converted only 29% of his three-point attempts as a result and while he’s a better shooter than that number indicates, his three-point range is going to be an even bigger emphasis at the next level and so being a driller is crucial. Defensively, he’s going to rely more on his intellect, physicality, and toughness than he is sheer footspeed."
https://247sports.com/player/reed-sheppard-46102800/
This is not data it’s a scouting report.
The Moose wrote:So for anyone that doesn't have Reed as a top 10 guy, I'm curious who your top 10 guys are? I'd like to see some users in this thread start to actually make cases for players they think are deserving of being top 10 picks in this draft rather than guys they think aren't.
If you look at the 1st page of the draft forum, the only actually active threads for individual prospects in this class are this one (Sheppard and Dillingham), Edey, Castle and Furphy. 4 of these 5 are in my top 10, but evidently there must be plenty of posters here who have a lot of guys in their top 10 that they don't feel deserve to have an active thread about, and would rather discuss prospects they don't like, which confuses me. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing or being lower on certain prospects, but if you don't really spend any time advocating for prospects you actually think are good, I think the balance is off.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:EvanZ wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:
We have data on Reed Sheppard creating his own shot in high school and it did not go well at all, actually.
"Sheppard is a throwback style guard who is skilled and exceptionally sound fundamentally. He is a solid athlete, but not dynamic or totally explosive. His attack is based on his ability to shoot the ball, make sound decisions, and process the game. He has a high and compact release that allows him to get his shot off and rates as one of the best free-throw shooters on any of the three major circuits at over 90%. He plays strong with the ball, is tight and efficient with it as a handler, has good use of both hands, and snaps his passes. He’s supremely confident in his approach and is capable of playing on and off the ball. Because he’s a tad upright off the dribble and lacks that extra gear of burst, he isn’t always able to flatten defensive pressure and ends up settling for tough shots. He converted only 29% of his three-point attempts as a result and while he’s a better shooter than that number indicates, his three-point range is going to be an even bigger emphasis at the next level and so being a driller is crucial. Defensively, he’s going to rely more on his intellect, physicality, and toughness than he is sheer footspeed."
https://247sports.com/player/reed-sheppard-46102800/
This is not data it’s a scouting report.
He converted only 29% of his three-point attempts as a result
HadAnEffectHere wrote:So was his sudden 20 point leap in shooting percentage due to minor mechanical changes or going from a high usage player to a low usage player, tough to say.
I'm sure Sheppard is a great spotup shooter, the issue is if he can create at all which I'm pretty doubtful of.
JMAC3 wrote:Last night he was really quiet. Pretty sure he was scoreless in first half in what was a tight game until Dillingham went bizerk mode.
Reed didn't attempt a shot inside of 15 feet, the 2 3s he made he was open by more than 5 feet. He hit his one shot inside the 3pt line which was a pull up from free throw line off a ball screen.
clyde21 wrote:JMAC3 wrote:Comparing Reed Sheppard to career 7 ppg John Paxson who played with the GOAT of his time as a reason why Reed should be a top 8 pick is wild.
top 8 is such a weird arbitrary mark...so top 8 is wild but if he goes 9 or 10 its cool? makes no sense.
anyway, whats your top 8?
The-Power wrote:JMAC3 wrote:Last night he was really quiet. Pretty sure he was scoreless in first half in what was a tight game until Dillingham went bizerk mode.
Reed didn't attempt a shot inside of 15 feet, the 2 3s he made he was open by more than 5 feet. He hit his one shot inside the 3pt line which was a pull up from free throw line off a ball screen.
So? His fingerprints were still all over the offense. It was clearly a good game from him.
The-Power wrote:JMAC3 wrote:Last night he was really quiet. Pretty sure he was scoreless in first half in what was a tight game until Dillingham went bizerk mode.
Reed didn't attempt a shot inside of 15 feet, the 2 3s he made he was open by more than 5 feet. He hit his one shot inside the 3pt line which was a pull up from free throw line off a ball screen.
So? His fingerprints were still all over the offense. It was clearly a good game from him.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:EvanZ wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:
We have data on Reed Sheppard creating his own shot in high school and it did not go well at all, actually.
"Sheppard is a throwback style guard who is skilled and exceptionally sound fundamentally. He is a solid athlete, but not dynamic or totally explosive. His attack is based on his ability to shoot the ball, make sound decisions, and process the game. He has a high and compact release that allows him to get his shot off and rates as one of the best free-throw shooters on any of the three major circuits at over 90%. He plays strong with the ball, is tight and efficient with it as a handler, has good use of both hands, and snaps his passes. He’s supremely confident in his approach and is capable of playing on and off the ball. Because he’s a tad upright off the dribble and lacks that extra gear of burst, he isn’t always able to flatten defensive pressure and ends up settling for tough shots. He converted only 29% of his three-point attempts as a result and while he’s a better shooter than that number indicates, his three-point range is going to be an even bigger emphasis at the next level and so being a driller is crucial. Defensively, he’s going to rely more on his intellect, physicality, and toughness than he is sheer footspeed."
https://247sports.com/player/reed-sheppard-46102800/
This is not data it’s a scouting report.
He converted only 29% of his three-point attempts as a result