Cade Cunningham

[The Moose]

size and shooting? totally not translatable.

LMAO, Cade is a big and can shoot for any hooper on any level, him saying he's getting by off of that is not really a knock

Adam Morrison also had size and shooting. You need more than that.

Morrison had one season in the NCAA+ NBA combined where he shot over 33% from 3pt, and he was a career low 70%’s ft shooter.

Freshman year : 30.4% 3pt / 72% ft
Soph year : 31.1% 3pt / 75% ft
Junior year : 42% 3pt / 77% ft

Rookie year : 33.7% 3pt/ 71%ft
2nd season : 33.3% 3pt/ 74%ft
3rd season : 24% 3pt / 62.5% ft

So no, he didn’t really have shooting at all. If Cade shoots like that, obviously he’s going to bust.
But they aren’t comparable as shooting prospects

Just to put Cade’s shooting ability as a prospect into perspective, here is the list of freshman that averaged 18+ points on 40% 3pt, 80%+ ft over the past 25 years

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&class_is_fr=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_c=Y&games_type=A&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=ft_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=80&c3stat=fg3_pct&c3comp=gt&c3val=40&c4comp=gt&order_by=pts

[clyde21]

size and shooting? totally not translatable.

LMAO, Cade is a big and can shoot for any hooper on any level, him saying he's getting by off of that is not really a knock

Adam Morrison also had size and shooting. You need more than that.

and he's got a lot more than that, + handle, + passing chops, his switchability on defense will translate, high BBQ on both sides of the court, we can go down the list on his ball skills and on court savvyness all day.

i wouldn't double down on these foolish takes my man.

[clyde21]

I’ll wrap up my end of this. I promise to be back, eating crow, if Cade doesn’t translate into an All Star level player. I hope those that think he’s a bad choice at #1 are back for a meal later as well if things turn out as I see them.

I'll eat crow, hell I'll eat chicken **** if Cade ends up being the best player from this draft. For the record I think he'll be a great glue guy, a number one he ain't.

so after knocking him for 4 pages straight your take now is just that he's not THE best prospect in this draft? so you're ok if someone takes him #2 overall but not #1?

[King Ken]

LMAO, Cade is a big and can shoot for any hooper on any level, him saying he's getting by off of that is not really a knock

Adam Morrison also had size and shooting. You need more than that.

Morrison had one season in the NCAA+ NBA combined where he shot over 33% from 3pt, and he was a career low 70%’s ft shooter.

Freshman year : 30.4% 3pt / 72% ft
Soph year : 31.1% 3pt / 75% ft
Junior year : 42% 3pt / 77% ft

Rookie year : 33.7% 3pt/ 71%ft
2nd season : 33.3% 3pt/ 74%ft
3rd season : 24% 3pt / 62.5% ft

So no, he didn’t really have shooting at all. If Cade shoots like that, obviously he’s going to bust.
But they aren’t comparable as shooting prospects

Just to put Cade’s shooting ability as a prospect into perspective, here is the list of freshman that averaged 18+ points on 40% 3pt, 80%+ ft over the past 25 years

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&class_is_fr=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_c=Y&games_type=A&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=ft_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=80&c3stat=fg3_pct&c3comp=gt&c3val=40&c4comp=gt&order_by=pts

In terms of 1 and done. Great company. Mayo and Durant especially. Mayo would have been a superstar at 6'8. Sadly, his size ended him

[DCasey91]

I think Mobley or Green will be the two best players from this draft when all said and done. They have “it” which something that can’t be picked up on when looking at a stat sheet.

Cade is very very good, shooting class but never once did I see “it.” Just kept waiting and waiting and watching and watching but nope never got the hype about him.

The moment where it’s like yes he’s a number one talent here. Never got that feeling from Cade. Happy to be proven wrong but I bet the former here.

[clyde21]

I think Mobley or Green will be the two best players from this draft when all said and done. They have “it” which something that can’t be picked up on when looking at a stat sheet.

Cade is very very good, shooting class but never once did I see “it.” Just kept waiting and waiting and watching and watching but nope never got the hype about him.

The moment where it’s like yes he’s a number one talent here. Never got that feeling from Cade. Happy to be proven wrong but I bet the former here.

i mean, he's not a consensus #1 like Zion was...I don't think anyone has really made that at any point, I personally have Mobley in T1 with Cade for example and actually ahead in a vacuum, I also wouldn't be totally shocked if Green goes #1...but that doesn't mean Cade doesn't deserve it either...i just means all these guys are good.

[The Moose]

Adam Morrison also had size and shooting. You need more than that.

Morrison had one season in the NCAA+ NBA combined where he shot over 33% from 3pt, and he was a career low 70%’s ft shooter.

Freshman year : 30.4% 3pt / 72% ft
Soph year : 31.1% 3pt / 75% ft
Junior year : 42% 3pt / 77% ft

Rookie year : 33.7% 3pt/ 71%ft
2nd season : 33.3% 3pt/ 74%ft
3rd season : 24% 3pt / 62.5% ft

So no, he didn’t really have shooting at all. If Cade shoots like that, obviously he’s going to bust.
But they aren’t comparable as shooting prospects

Just to put Cade’s shooting ability as a prospect into perspective, here is the list of freshman that averaged 18+ points on 40% 3pt, 80%+ ft over the past 25 years

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&class_is_fr=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_c=Y&games_type=A&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=ft_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=80&c3stat=fg3_pct&c3comp=gt&c3val=40&c4comp=gt&order_by=pts

In terms of 1 and done. Great company. Mayo and Durant especially. Mayo would have been a superstar at 6'8. Sadly, his size ended him

Yeah to have this level of shooting ability, at this age, as someone who projects to be a high volume/potential 1st option guy is extremely promising. Especially coupled with his size, strength and potential 2 way ability

[Time for Change]

It’s interesting, someone bumped the Markelle Fultz thread a little while ago and I read through it. Reminds me a lot of this thread, consensus #1 pick with a handful of posters making strong cases that he had some huge red flags for a top pick that were getting swept under the rug. They are different kinds of players but the parallels are eerie, team under performed, questions about ability to separate, questions about making teammates better, etc. It will be interesting to see how Cade turns out.

[monalotry]

It’s interesting, someone bumped the Markelle Fultz thread a little while ago and I read through it. Reminds me a lot of this thread, consensus #1 pick with a handful of posters making strong cases that he had some huge red flags for a top pick that were getting swept under the rug. They are different kinds of players but the parallels are eerie, team under performed, questions about ability to separate, questions about making teammates better, etc. It will be interesting to see how Cade turns out.

Oklahoma St underperformed?

[zeebneeb]

Well this thread sure is something.

Let's see how it pans out, and revisit in a year.

[Big J]

It is funny how a guy like Fultz can become consensus number one and you’re an idiot/hater if you even question them.

[DCasey91]

Hindsight is easy. Fultz shouldn’t have been number one in retrospect but let’s not act like he wasn’t an A tier prospect.

Fultz (if the jumpshot didn’t do a wtf) would go top 4-5 or higher easy in this draft.

He’s a huge two guard. With all the NBA moves (I mean he had serious game on his slashing ability for a freshman).
Was super young too come draft day. I mean even now looking back he did put up great great numbers that year.

[bkseven]

Hindsight is easy. Fultz shouldn’t have been number one in retrospect but let’s not act like he wasn’t an A tier prospect.

Fultz (if the jumpshot didn’t do a wtf) would go top 4-5 or higher easy in this draft.

He’s a huge two guard. With all the NBA moves (I mean he had serious game on his slashing ability for a freshman).
Was super young too come draft day. I mean even now looking back he did put up great great numbers that year.

Fultz a huge two guard? And, no, he would be a number 4 pick at best battling Suggs. I'd probably put them at 5 as the highest.

[DCasey91]

Hindsight is easy. Fultz shouldn’t have been number one in retrospect but let’s not act like he wasn’t an A tier prospect.

Fultz (if the jumpshot didn’t do a wtf) would go top 4-5 or higher easy in this draft.

He’s a huge two guard. With all the NBA moves (I mean he had serious game on his slashing ability for a freshman).
Was super young too come draft day. I mean even now looking back he did put up great great numbers that year.

Fultz a huge two guard? And, no, he would be a number 4 pick at best battling Suggs. I'd probably put them at 5 as the highest.

I mean have you actually watched Fultz? He’s a big combo guard (wingspan/size all impressive to me) and you were getting him at a super duper young age.

Watching tape he really did have advanced moves and polish for his age demos.

I mean seriously guys Fultz this year would be lotto without a second thought. He wasn’t Oli/or Thabeet level.

Fultz was a legit A class prospect.

Once again hindsight is the easiest thing in the world. Can’t change what Fultz was in College which was high grade draft material.

Won’t be the first and certainly wasn’t the last that didn’t meet expectations but a prospect like that will go in the lotto ad nauseam.

Look at all the other guards this year alone. Fultz is on par with the very top guard prospects. It’s revisionist stuff now.

[buzzkilloton]

It’s interesting, someone bumped the Markelle Fultz thread a little while ago and I read through it. Reminds me a lot of this thread, consensus #1 pick with a handful of posters making strong cases that he had some huge red flags for a top pick that were getting swept under the rug. They are different kinds of players but the parallels are eerie, team under performed, questions about ability to separate, questions about making teammates better, etc. It will be interesting to see how Cade turns out.

Fultz got the "yips". He had mental problems. Also injuries. Fultz did have a couple red flags his NCAA team was terrible like 11th in the Pac 12 also his free throw % was really bad for a guy who is said to be a shooter. If Cade was on a team that produced that bad boy would people be lighting him up. Fultz was still a good prospect though he just had a couple red flags he would lock be top 5 this draft.

Actually when you guys say OJ Mayo(Cades taller and longer then Mayo) its a similar story. Mayo had massive hard drug problems he got kicked out of the NBA for them for two years. Weight problems as well. It was said he had a bunch of problems in highschool and college with teams and as well, likely a bad work ethic. USC got a suspension after he left.Just another case of mental. He had talent he was a rookie of the year but a headcase.

Trying to compare guys out of college and say "Cade" is like "XXX" whos a bust when that XXX has proven mental problems makes no sense.

[Bensational]

It’s interesting, someone bumped the Markelle Fultz thread a little while ago and I read through it. Reminds me a lot of this thread, consensus #1 pick with a handful of posters making strong cases that he had some huge red flags for a top pick that were getting swept under the rug. They are different kinds of players but the parallels are eerie, team under performed, questions about ability to separate, questions about making teammates better, etc. It will be interesting to see how Cade turns out.

I was thinking about that draft, too. Cade seems like a cross between Fultz and Tatum, with probably more Tatum in him. Difference is that Tatum is the one slated to go first in this draft, as he should have been in that draft.

I can pretty comfortably see him having Tatum/Ingram levels of individual success.

[DCasey91]

Watch on YouTube

Told ya Fultz is anything but small for a guard. Creeps up but watch him against other guards.

His width on his torso and wingspan is impressive. Not always about height.

I mean really people he was more of slasher. But his shot wasn’t like it was now. Have zero idea what happened.

young compared to his peers/production/size/polish/ceiling.

Drafts aren’t an exact science but make no mistake Fultz was quality for a prospect.

Didn’t hit fine move on.

[clyde21]

It’s interesting, someone bumped the Markelle Fultz thread a little while ago and I read through it. Reminds me a lot of this thread, consensus #1 pick with a handful of posters making strong cases that he had some huge red flags for a top pick that were getting swept under the rug. They are different kinds of players but the parallels are eerie, team under performed, questions about ability to separate, questions about making teammates better, etc. It will be interesting to see how Cade turns out.

lol, how did Oklahoma St. underperform?

before Cade:
18-14
ORTG: 98.7
SRS: 12.01


after Cade:
21-9
ORTG: 102.7
SRS: 13.65

4th seed in the MW in the NCAA tournament and went to the 32. last time before the Ok St. was in the tournament was 2016 as a 10th seed.

Markelle Fultz didn't even lead Washington to the tournament

[Time for Change]

lol, how did Oklahoma St. underperform?

Markelle Fultz didn't even lead Washington to the tournament

You’re right it wasn’t close to the garbage performance of Fultz’s team, but losing in the round of 32 isn’t great for a team ranked 11th by the AP.

[monalotry]

lol, how did Oklahoma St. underperform?

Markelle Fultz didn't even lead Washington to the tournament

You’re right it wasn’t close to the garbage performance of Fultz’s team, but losing in the round of 32 isn’t great for a team ranked 11th by the AP.

They were projected to go 7th in the Big 12 and probably miss the tournament by the in-league coaches, if I recall correctly.