Anthony Black - Arkansas

[basketballRob]

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[basketballRob]

these are the point guards (yes I view them all as playing PG in the NBA or as much a point guard as Black is) prospects I like more than Black.

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Castle
Carrington
Collier
Dillingham
Carter
McCain
Mitchell

I also think George should play PG and if he was to be given a chance he too would be ahead of Black but he likely won't so he isn't listed.

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yep

Do you put Sheppard over Black also? Sheppard is out of the rotation, but he was like 6 mos. older than Black when he was drafted.

Are you talking about Keyonte? He played PG for Utah last season. He was one of the worst defenders in the league, so I viewed his stats as fluff. If you're talking about Kyshawn George, then that would make 10 PGs you view as better than AB from this draft.

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[basketballRob]

Meh he looked pretty unspectacular in game 2. Just 5 pts in 30 mins on 2/7 shooting with 2 boards and 6 assists.

Maybe we pump the brakes on comparing him to Chris Paul and saying we should give him the ball over Paolo lol

Do you agree with the other poster that 9 PGs out of this draft will be better than Black?

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[JMAC3]

Meh he looked pretty unspectacular in game 2. Just 5 pts in 30 mins on 2/7 shooting with 2 boards and 6 assists.

Maybe we pump the brakes on comparing him to Chris Paul and saying we should give him the ball over Paolo lol

Do you agree with the other poster that 9 PGs out of this draft will be better than Black?

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I don't really see that as relevant to my evaluation of Anthony Black, especially when people are trying to compare him to CP3.
Based on what I have seen there is a good chance 4-5 guards from this draft can be better sure.

Still have major concerns over Black as a shooter, playmaker and scorer in general.

If Paolo is going to score 50 pts then sure maybe he can be fine to be a spectator on that end, but I think very unlikely he is a top 10 player from his draft class, which feels like a loss when you are the 6th overall pick.

[basketballRob]

Meh he looked pretty unspectacular in game 2. Just 5 pts in 30 mins on 2/7 shooting with 2 boards and 6 assists.

Maybe we pump the brakes on comparing him to Chris Paul and saying we should give him the ball over Paolo lol

Do you agree with the other poster that 9 PGs out of this draft will be better than Black?

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I don't really see that as relevant to my evaluation of Anthony Black, especially when people are trying to compare him to CP3.
Based on what I have seen there is a good chance 4-5 guards from this draft can be better sure.

Still have major concerns over Black as a shooter, playmaker and scorer in general.

If Paolo is going to score 50 pts then sure maybe he can be fine to be a spectator on that end, but I think very unlikely he is a top 10 player from his draft class, which feels like a loss when you are the 6th overall pick.

He's still only 20 and is likely to develop for the next few years. Also, scoring doesn't make you a winning player.

Who do you like in his draft class over him? Other than Wemby, the 5 ahead of him haven't been standouts. Ausar's career could be over.

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[BlazersBroncos]

He looks good. Excellent fit in ORL and what they are building defensively.

Having a guy like him off the bench capable of defending 1-3 and able to (based on a tiny sample) hit a open 3 is a huge luxury for ORL.

[JMAC3]

Do you agree with the other poster that 9 PGs out of this draft will be better than Black?

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I don't really see that as relevant to my evaluation of Anthony Black, especially when people are trying to compare him to CP3.
Based on what I have seen there is a good chance 4-5 guards from this draft can be better sure.

Still have major concerns over Black as a shooter, playmaker and scorer in general.

If Paolo is going to score 50 pts then sure maybe he can be fine to be a spectator on that end, but I think very unlikely he is a top 10 player from his draft class, which feels like a loss when you are the 6th overall pick.

He's still only 20 and is likely to develop for the next few years. Also, scoring doesn't make you a winning player.

Who do you like in his draft class over him? Other than Wemby, the 5 ahead of him haven't been standouts. Ausar's career could be over.

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I would say Miller averaging 17 ppg as a rookie is pretty far ahead of where Black is a player right now.

but yeah wouldn't shock me even a bit if after this year Black was outside the top 14 in redraft with guys like Podz, Lively, Bilal, Keyonte, Jacquez, Cason, Hawkins, both Thompsons etc possibly all being considered better prospects just to name a few.

Black averaged 4.8 ppg, 1.3 apg, didn't draw fouls, didn't shoot from 3 with any type of volume his rookie year.. I don't think it is wild to be low on him after that. Sure he could improve but so can all the other guys that were drafted top 20.

[basketballRob]

I don't really see that as relevant to my evaluation of Anthony Black, especially when people are trying to compare him to CP3.
Based on what I have seen there is a good chance 4-5 guards from this draft can be better sure.

Still have major concerns over Black as a shooter, playmaker and scorer in general.

If Paolo is going to score 50 pts then sure maybe he can be fine to be a spectator on that end, but I think very unlikely he is a top 10 player from his draft class, which feels like a loss when you are the 6th overall pick.

He's still only 20 and is likely to develop for the next few years. Also, scoring doesn't make you a winning player.

Who do you like in his draft class over him? Other than Wemby, the 5 ahead of him haven't been standouts. Ausar's career could be over.

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I would say Miller averaging 17 ppg as a rookie is pretty far ahead of where Black is a player right now.

but yeah wouldn't shock me even a bit if after this year Black was outside the top 14 in redraft with guys like Podz, Lively, Bilal, Keyonte, Jacquez, Cason, Hawkins, both Thompsons etc possibly all being considered better prospects just to name a few.

Black averaged 4.8 ppg, 1.3 apg, didn't draw fouls, didn't shoot from 3 with any type of volume his rookie year.. I don't think it is wild to be low on him after that. Sure he could improve but so can all the other guys that were drafted top 20.

Miller is 14 months older than him. Black will develop a lot over the next 14 months. I look at the others that you think will be better players than Black when I get off work.

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[JMAC3]

He's still only 20 and is likely to develop for the next few years. Also, scoring doesn't make you a winning player.

Who do you like in his draft class over him? Other than Wemby, the 5 ahead of him haven't been standouts. Ausar's career could be over.

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I would say Miller averaging 17 ppg as a rookie is pretty far ahead of where Black is a player right now.

but yeah wouldn't shock me even a bit if after this year Black was outside the top 14 in redraft with guys like Podz, Lively, Bilal, Keyonte, Jacquez, Cason, Hawkins, both Thompsons etc possibly all being considered better prospects just to name a few.

Black averaged 4.8 ppg, 1.3 apg, didn't draw fouls, didn't shoot from 3 with any type of volume his rookie year.. I don't think it is wild to be low on him after that. Sure he could improve but so can all the other guys that were drafted top 20.

Miller is 14 months older than him. Black will develop a lot over the next 14 months. I look at the others that you think will be better players than Black when I get off work.

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Seems like your entire selling point is he is young, will get better... and very little to do with the player he is now. Guys who can't shoot, score, playmake aren't super valuable players. Especially on a team that is in need of offensive scoring punch like Orlando, as it stands he is a decent defender with size that defenses don't respect on the offensive end.

I am not saying Black won't develop at all, I am saying all these guys will continue to develop. Nothing Black has shown says he is due to make a big jump especially with Orlando paying KcP, Suggs, Franz big money.

[clyde21]

i don't understand how anyone can watch Black and not come out with the conclusion that's he's a complete stud lol...idc that he's not scoring a lot of points on a team with scorers already like Franz and Paolo.

[KembaWalker]

He's still only 20 and is likely to develop for the next few years. Also, scoring doesn't make you a winning player.

Who do you like in his draft class over him? Other than Wemby, the 5 ahead of him haven't been standouts. Ausar's career could be over.

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I would say Miller averaging 17 ppg as a rookie is pretty far ahead of where Black is a player right now.

but yeah wouldn't shock me even a bit if after this year Black was outside the top 14 in redraft with guys like Podz, Lively, Bilal, Keyonte, Jacquez, Cason, Hawkins, both Thompsons etc possibly all being considered better prospects just to name a few.

Black averaged 4.8 ppg, 1.3 apg, didn't draw fouls, didn't shoot from 3 with any type of volume his rookie year.. I don't think it is wild to be low on him after that. Sure he could improve but so can all the other guys that were drafted top 20.

Miller is 14 months older than him. Black will develop a lot over the next 14 months. I look at the others that you think will be better players than Black when I get off work.

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Brandon Miller is an all star level player right now. Anthony Black won't be in 14 months.

[basketballRob]

I would say Miller averaging 17 ppg as a rookie is pretty far ahead of where Black is a player right now.

but yeah wouldn't shock me even a bit if after this year Black was outside the top 14 in redraft with guys like Podz, Lively, Bilal, Keyonte, Jacquez, Cason, Hawkins, both Thompsons etc possibly all being considered better prospects just to name a few.

Black averaged 4.8 ppg, 1.3 apg, didn't draw fouls, didn't shoot from 3 with any type of volume his rookie year.. I don't think it is wild to be low on him after that. Sure he could improve but so can all the other guys that were drafted top 20.

Miller is 14 months older than him. Black will develop a lot over the next 14 months. I look at the others that you think will be better players than Black when I get off work.

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Seems like your entire selling point is he is young, will get better... and very little to do with the player he is now. Guys who can't shoot, score, playmake aren't super valuable players. Especially on a team that is in need of offensive scoring punch like Orlando, as it stands he is a decent defender with size that defenses don't respect on the offensive end.

I am not saying Black won't develop at all, I am saying all these guys will continue to develop. Nothing Black has shown says he is due to make a big jump especially with Orlando paying KcP, Suggs, Franz big money.

I believe he's averaging 17/7/5 per 36 mpg now, but I'll double-check that later. I know some of the players like George are the worst defenders in the league. He wouldn't even play on the Magic. If you can't defend you, don't play.

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[JMAC3]

i don't understand how anyone can watch Black and not come out with the conclusion that's he's a complete stud lol...idc that he's not scoring a lot of points on a team with scorers already like Franz and Paolo.

He played 17 mpg last year, Orlando must be idiots to not be playing a COMPLETE STUD over Gary Harris, Markelle Fultz, Cole Anthony.

He also had a 13% usage and 10% assist % last year, both are putrid for a guy that was sold as a playmaker.
Along with 2.9 3PA per 36 and a 61% FT%.

He is the type of player I love my team to find as an undrafted FA, not the type of guy I want to spend a top 6 pick on.

[basketballRob]

I would say Miller averaging 17 ppg as a rookie is pretty far ahead of where Black is a player right now.

but yeah wouldn't shock me even a bit if after this year Black was outside the top 14 in redraft with guys like Podz, Lively, Bilal, Keyonte, Jacquez, Cason, Hawkins, both Thompsons etc possibly all being considered better prospects just to name a few.

Black averaged 4.8 ppg, 1.3 apg, didn't draw fouls, didn't shoot from 3 with any type of volume his rookie year.. I don't think it is wild to be low on him after that. Sure he could improve but so can all the other guys that were drafted top 20.

Miller is 14 months older than him. Black will develop a lot over the next 14 months. I look at the others that you think will be better players than Black when I get off work.

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Brandon Miller is an all star level player right now. Anthony Black won't be in 14 months.

Miller is a stud. My point is that you should consider things like age and defense when comparing a bunch of players.

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[Colbinii]

I would say Miller averaging 17 ppg as a rookie is pretty far ahead of where Black is a player right now.

but yeah wouldn't shock me even a bit if after this year Black was outside the top 14 in redraft with guys like Podz, Lively, Bilal, Keyonte, Jacquez, Cason, Hawkins, both Thompsons etc possibly all being considered better prospects just to name a few.

Black averaged 4.8 ppg, 1.3 apg, didn't draw fouls, didn't shoot from 3 with any type of volume his rookie year.. I don't think it is wild to be low on him after that. Sure he could improve but so can all the other guys that were drafted top 20.

Miller is 14 months older than him. Black will develop a lot over the next 14 months. I look at the others that you think will be better players than Black when I get off work.

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Brandon Miller is an all star level player right now.

Based on what?

[Colbinii]

i don't understand how anyone can watch Black and not come out with the conclusion that's he's a complete stud lol...idc that he's not scoring a lot of points on a team with scorers already like Franz and Paolo.

Absolutely. He is a fundamentally sound player who can impact the game in multiple ways.

He is starting to remind me of a young Andre Iguodala.

[KembaWalker]

Miller is 14 months older than him. Black will develop a lot over the next 14 months. I look at the others that you think will be better players than Black when I get off work.

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Brandon Miller is an all star level player right now.

Based on what?

Based on the fact that when he’s healthy he’s going to be an 18-20 FGA wing player that can shoot the leather off the ball, have you not seen him play before?

[Colbinii]

Brandon Miller is an all star level player right now.

Based on what?

Based on the fact that when he’s healthy he’s going to be an 18-20 FGA wing player that can shoot the leather off the ball, have you not seen him play before?

I have seen him play. He was the only reason to watch the Charlotte Bobcats last year given their lack of NBA talent and identity. But I saw Brandon Miller improve immensely throughout the year and he finished as the clear-cut 2nd most intriguing prospect from the draft, lapping Scoot.

But, let's be real here. All-Star level in his 2nd year? What was his rookie season?

17/4/3 on 55 TS% and 19% FTR

But, this is underselling him, because he never hit a rookie wall. In fact, he improved all year.

Look at his numbers post-injuries.

20/5/2 on 57 TS%

But, the issue I still have with projecting Miller into a true Star and All-Star is his inability to get to the Free Throw Line. Maybe he will be a 40%+ 3P shooter on 10+ 3PA/G and then we don't need to worry about his FTR. Maybe he takes another big step defensively and flirts with All-Defensive team.

Right now, he needs to prove to me he is a good starter, because he hasn't done that yet. Once he can go from a talented prospect who has tools [which is where he was last year] to a good starter, then I can look at him as an all-star level player.

[KembaWalker]

Based on what?

Based on the fact that when he’s healthy he’s going to be an 18-20 FGA wing player that can shoot the leather off the ball, have you not seen him play before?

I have seen him play. He was the only reason to watch the Charlotte Bobcats last year given their lack of NBA talent and identity. But I saw Brandon Miller improve immensely throughout the year and he finished as the clear-cut 2nd most intriguing prospect from the draft, lapping Scoot.

But, let's be real here. All-Star level in his 2nd year? What was his rookie season?

17/4/3 on 55 TS% and 19% FTR

But, this is underselling him, because he never hit a rookie wall. In fact, he improved all year.

Look at his numbers post-injuries.

20/5/2 on 57 TS%

But, the issue I still have with projecting Miller into a true Star and All-Star is his inability to get to the Free Throw Line. Maybe he will be a 40%+ 3P shooter on 10+ 3PA/G and then we don't need to worry about his FTR. Maybe he takes another big step defensively and flirts with All-Defensive team.

Right now, he needs to prove to me he is a good starter, because he hasn't done that yet. Once he can go from a talented prospect who has tools [which is where he was last year] to a good starter, then I can look at him as an all-star level player.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see, this is the draft board after all. Good luck with your projection. Maybe it'll go better than the Scoot>Miller ones did. Maybe not.

[Colbinii]

Based on the fact that when he’s healthy he’s going to be an 18-20 FGA wing player that can shoot the leather off the ball, have you not seen him play before?

I have seen him play. He was the only reason to watch the Charlotte Bobcats last year given their lack of NBA talent and identity. But I saw Brandon Miller improve immensely throughout the year and he finished as the clear-cut 2nd most intriguing prospect from the draft, lapping Scoot.

But, let's be real here. All-Star level in his 2nd year? What was his rookie season?

17/4/3 on 55 TS% and 19% FTR

But, this is underselling him, because he never hit a rookie wall. In fact, he improved all year.

Look at his numbers post-injuries.

20/5/2 on 57 TS%

But, the issue I still have with projecting Miller into a true Star and All-Star is his inability to get to the Free Throw Line. Maybe he will be a 40%+ 3P shooter on 10+ 3PA/G and then we don't need to worry about his FTR. Maybe he takes another big step defensively and flirts with All-Defensive team.

Right now, he needs to prove to me he is a good starter, because he hasn't done that yet. Once he can go from a talented prospect who has tools [which is where he was last year] to a good starter, then I can look at him as an all-star level player.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see, this is the draft board after all. Good luck with your projection

I didn't make a single projection, you did.

I said that Miller was good last year, especially for a rookie. The thing is, he was "Top 150 player in the NBA Good", not "Borderline All-Star Good".

That's the thing--when you make statements about a player going from Top 150 to Top 30, you should be able to back it up.

If you want to share your thoughts on Brandon Miller, please answer these very real questions surrounding his skill-set and development.

1) Brandon Miller has a historically low Free Throw Rate. How will he improve his ability to draw free throws and how much do you realistically expect him to grow?

For reference, he are the FTR of other All-Star wings during their first 2 seasons.

Tatum: 30.9% and 22%
PG13: 25.6% and 28.5%
J Brown: 29.3% and 29.0%
ANT: 22.5% and 22.5%
Markkanen: 19.3% and 24.5%
Butler: 45.5% and 48.8%
Wiggins: 41.0% and 43.7%
Ingram: 31.0% and 37.1%
Middleton: 22.0% and 16.0%

Miller: 16.0%

Honestly, Middleton is an excellent projection for Miller. Weaker 2nd option for a title team but very good 3rd option who can score from everywhere, very good to excellent shooter who can carry a heavy diet of difficult shots. Solid defender, not an offensive catalyst but a supporting role around a helio-guy [Giannis--Ball].

Miller has more athleticism than Middleton, but in terms of play-style I like the comparison a lot. Middleton was a 3-time all-star, which gives a lot of hope for Miller.