Scoot Henderson

[Big J]

What do you guys think of pre-motorcycle Jay Williams as a comp?

[JMAC3]

Nobody is talking about Scoot as if he isn't a lottery pick in this thread, he still is a really strong prospect overall

- you said he plays against **** competition
- you said he can't shoot
- you said he can't score at the rim
- you said he takes too many dumb shots
- you said he doesn't play with any force
- you said he's overrated physically
- you said he's undersized and called him a small guard
- you said he can't defend
- you said he hasn't improved at all since last year
- and your boy called him a PED user who'll never stay healthy

the maths isn't mathing. you're not gonna weasel out of this now and pretend you still think he's a "really strong prospect".

tell us where you actually have him ranked - cuz there is no way under the circumstances you described he should be picked anywhere near the lotto.

-I think the Gleague competition overall is overrated. Yes. I think we see guys play well and put up good numbers far more often then guys struggle in the gleague.
-I think he has shooting concerns, which makes it difficult for me to call him a generational prospect. Still a good prospect.
-He does score at the rim, just not at the levels of Drose and Westbrook. Which is what I would expect for a guard that some say would go #1 in most years.
-His shot profile is concerning, on one hand he shows the ability to be 3 level scorer, but he also settles way too much. Especially for a guy that I am told is incredibly physically gifted
-Force? I have seen him really have one crazy strong take all year. He isn't Ant Man or Wade level of strength.
-Physically? I think he is less physically gifted than Ant Man or Morant.
-Most 6-2 guards in the league are either offensive hubs or play a smaller role as defender. Very few can do both. We have way more 2 way wings in the league than 2 way guards.
- He hasn't really improved though. The highlight of his season was the game vs Wemby. Since then I have been disappointed.

Could he be awesome? Yes. but when I compare him to other awesome prospects he seems a tier below where they were. I legit am a Hornets fan, I will hope for the best if we take him. Just the more I dug into him the more caution I have with him.

The ranking I have for him is incomplete, I don't have my board finalized. That will probably be more around May 1st. As of now my ranks are:

1. Wemby



2. Miller
3. Amen
4. Ausar
5. Scoot
6. Whitmore

7. George
8. Black
9. Walker
10. Dick
11. Hendricks
12. Wallace

Then everyone else.

[JMAC3]

My standards might be too high idk, but just comparing him to Anthony Edwards who was from a consensus #1 player in his draft (something many say Scoot would be in most years).

Edwards was way bigger 6-5 compared to 6-2. 225 lbs vs 195lbs.
Edwards was a better shooter, even tho he only shot 30% from 3 he did so on a bigger volume and he showed flashes of being a lightsout shooter who could get his 3 off whenever he wanted. 2.3 makes per game vs 0.9 makes for Scoot.
Edwards was more physical getting downhill 5.3 FTA per game vs 2.9 FTA per game.

Again this was Edwards who was in conversation as a top 3 pick, not a lock. He had his own concerns, so why are we not allowed to have concerns for Scoot now?

[reanimator]

We get why you are low on him which is fair.

But what keeps him at 5 for you? Seems like you see him much lower than that but have him at 5 to be conservative just in case he really is great.

[clyde21]

^

if he's a "small guard" that has shooting/converting issues, can't play defense, doesn't play with force, hasn't shown any improvement to you the last year and on top of it plays against bad competition, why is he at 5? what am I missing here?

and how tf do you have the Twins at 3/4 who have a lot of the same questions as Scoot (esp. when it comes to competition and shooting, and are a year older than Scoot on top of it)?

[JMAC3]

We get why you are low on him which is fair.

But what keeps him at 5 for you? Seems like you see him much lower than that but have him at 5 to be conservative just in case he really is great.

What keeps him at 5 is comparing him to the other prospects, I still think his ceiling is higher than Nick Smith, JHS or Keyonte.

He could figure out the shooting and that right there probably secures him over those guys.

Why he is below Thompson twins is if they all 3 figure out the shooting give the bigger more versatile players. Ausar and Amen floors as wing defenders who can also playmake give them a higher floor than Scoot who at the end of the day needs the ball and is really only locked into play the pg spot. Amen probably can be 1-3 at the next level.

[clyde21]

My standards might be too high idk, but just comparing him to Anthony Edwards who was from a consensus #1 player in his draft (something many say Scoot would be in most years).

Edwards was way bigger 6-5 compared to 6-2. 225 lbs vs 195lbs.
Edwards was a better shooter, even tho he only shot 30% from 3 he did so on a bigger volume and he showed flashes of being a lightsout shooter who could get his 3 off whenever he wanted. 2.3 makes per game vs 0.9 makes for Scoot.
Edwards was more physical getting downhill 5.3 FTA per game vs 2.9 FTA per game.

Again this was Edwards who was in conversation as a top 3 pick, not a lock. He had his own concerns, so why are we not allowed to have concerns for Scoot now?

Edwards is 6-4, but why does that matter? you called Suggs and Mudiay small guards and they are 6-5. Edwards is also apparently a small guard right?

and they are virtually the same size coming out, reach is gonna be the same, weight/strength is gonna be the same, Ant has a couple of inches in height but Scoot has a couple of inches in w/s, and Antman shot 29% from 3 on a shorter 3pt line in college vs. Scoot who's shooting with an NBA line in the GL and shot 33% this year.

and no is saying you're not allowed to have concerns - but when the level of concern doesn't reconcile to you having him as a top 5 guy, it stops making sense. the way you talked about Scoot in this thread I would've sworn we were talking about a fringe prospect.

[Big J]

My standards might be too high idk, but just comparing him to Anthony Edwards who was from a consensus #1 player in his draft (something many say Scoot would be in most years).

Edwards was way bigger 6-5 compared to 6-2. 225 lbs vs 195lbs.
Edwards was a better shooter, even tho he only shot 30% from 3 he did so on a bigger volume and he showed flashes of being a lightsout shooter who could get his 3 off whenever he wanted. 2.3 makes per game vs 0.9 makes for Scoot.
Edwards was more physical getting downhill 5.3 FTA per game vs 2.9 FTA per game.

Again this was Edwards who was in conversation as a top 3 pick, not a lock. He had his own concerns, so why are we not allowed to have concerns for Scoot now?

Edwards is 6-4, but why does that matter? you called Suggs and Mudiay small guards and they are 6-5. Edwards is also apparently a small guard right?

and they are virtually the same size coming out, reach is gonna be the same, weight/strength is gonna be the same, Ant has a couple of inches in height but Scoot has a couple of inches in w/s, and Antman shot 29% from 3 on a shorter 3pt line in college vs. Scoot who's shooting with an NBA line in the GL and shot 33% this year.

and no is saying you're not allowed to have concerns - but when the level of concern doesn't reconcile to you having him as a top 5 guy, it stops making sense. the way you talked about Scoot in this thread I would've sworn we were talking about a fringe prospect.

Guys can have major red flags and still be top 5 prospects. It's like dating a Kardashian. They are **** crazy, but you're still gonna do it because they're smoking hot and have a nice ass.

[JMAC3]

My standards might be too high idk, but just comparing him to Anthony Edwards who was from a consensus #1 player in his draft (something many say Scoot would be in most years).

Edwards was way bigger 6-5 compared to 6-2. 225 lbs vs 195lbs.
Edwards was a better shooter, even tho he only shot 30% from 3 he did so on a bigger volume and he showed flashes of being a lightsout shooter who could get his 3 off whenever he wanted. 2.3 makes per game vs 0.9 makes for Scoot.
Edwards was more physical getting downhill 5.3 FTA per game vs 2.9 FTA per game.

Again this was Edwards who was in conversation as a top 3 pick, not a lock. He had his own concerns, so why are we not allowed to have concerns for Scoot now?

Edwards is 6-4, but why does that matter? you called Suggs and Mudiay small guards and they are 6-5. Edwards is also apparently a small guard right?

and they are virtually the same size coming out, reach is gonna be the same, weight/strength is gonna be the same, Ant has a couple of inches in height but Scoot has a couple of inches in w/s, and Antman shot 29% from 3 on a shorter 3pt line in college vs. Scoot who's shooting with an NBA line in the GL and shot 33% this year.

and no is saying you're not allowed to have concerns - but when the level of concern doesn't reconcile to you having him as a top 5 guy, it stops making sense. the way you talked about Scoot in this thread I would've sworn we were talking about a fringe prospect.

Go back a few weeks and look at how this thread started. I have always approached this as a knock Scoot down a tier, not he sucks. Then people came at me sideways for even questioning it so yeah things probably went to the extreme to prove the point that he has concerns.

Even suggesting Miller was better a few weeks ago was getting you mocked. Now he is actually getting mocked 2nd in spots.

[clyde21]

My standards might be too high idk, but just comparing him to Anthony Edwards who was from a consensus #1 player in his draft (something many say Scoot would be in most years).

Edwards was way bigger 6-5 compared to 6-2. 225 lbs vs 195lbs.
Edwards was a better shooter, even tho he only shot 30% from 3 he did so on a bigger volume and he showed flashes of being a lightsout shooter who could get his 3 off whenever he wanted. 2.3 makes per game vs 0.9 makes for Scoot.
Edwards was more physical getting downhill 5.3 FTA per game vs 2.9 FTA per game.

Again this was Edwards who was in conversation as a top 3 pick, not a lock. He had his own concerns, so why are we not allowed to have concerns for Scoot now?

Edwards is 6-4, but why does that matter? you called Suggs and Mudiay small guards and they are 6-5. Edwards is also apparently a small guard right?

and they are virtually the same size coming out, reach is gonna be the same, weight/strength is gonna be the same, Ant has a couple of inches in height but Scoot has a couple of inches in w/s, and Antman shot 29% from 3 on a shorter 3pt line in college vs. Scoot who's shooting with an NBA line in the GL and shot 33% this year.

and no is saying you're not allowed to have concerns - but when the level of concern doesn't reconcile to you having him as a top 5 guy, it stops making sense. the way you talked about Scoot in this thread I would've sworn we were talking about a fringe prospect.

Go back a few weeks and look at how this thread started. I have always approached this as a knock Scoot down a tier, not he sucks. Then people came at me sideways for even questioning it so yeah things probably went to the extreme to prove the point that he has concerns.

Even suggesting Miller was better a few weeks ago was getting you mocked. Now he is actually getting mocked 2nd in spots.

you never got "mocked" for having Miller above Scoot, you got mocked for saying ridiculous things like Scoot's too small and that college competition is better than GL competition.

[JMAC3]

you never got "mocked" for having Miller above Scoot, you got mocked for saying ridiculous things like Scoot's too small and that college competition is better than GL competition.

You’re a broken record man.

When people were comparing Scoot to Ja athletically then yes I felt like things were out of hand.

I would do the same if people were saying Miller was same level as KD as a scorer or Grady Dick was as good of a shooter as Curry.

The Scoot content is flatlining tho. Nothing new to really propel him, if anything he will only fall down draft boards over the next few weeks.

[The-Power]

Edwards was more physical getting downhill 5.3 FTA per game vs 2.9 FTA per game.

Besides the necessity to take into account shooting volume and competition, you absolutely can't compare FTs like this with the G-League having the ‘one FT rule’.

[JMAC3]

It’s always something when trying to compare college guys to GLeague guys. I mean college has 1 and 1 so that probably balances the 1 fta rule some.

[The-Power]

It’s always something when trying to compare college guys to GLeague guys. I mean college has 1 and 1 so that probably balances the 1 fta rule some.

It absolutely does not, no.

[clyde21]

you never got "mocked" for having Miller above Scoot, you got mocked for saying ridiculous things like Scoot's too small and that college competition is better than GL competition.

You’re a broken record man.

When people were comparing Scoot to Ja athletically then yes I felt like things were out of hand.

I would do the same if people were saying Miller was same level as KD as a scorer or Grady Dick was as good of a shooter as Curry.

The Scoot content is flatlining tho. Nothing new to really propel him, if anything he will only fall down draft boards over the next few weeks.

what does that have to do with you saying the GL comp is worse than NCAA's or that Scoot's too small? he's bigger than Ja and he's definitely playing stronger comp than what Ja played against at Murray St. if your entire point this whole time was that he's not as good of an athlete as Ja, you could've made it without completely **** on Scoot as a prospect in almost every way.

you're having a hard time staying consistent here, and tbh it's getting harder and harder to take you seriously in this thread after these bad takes + you didn't even know the GL 3pt line is an NBA 3pt line and they take 1 FT per foul in the GL so you can't compare raw FT numbers to the NCAA.

[JMAC3]

you never got "mocked" for having Miller above Scoot, you got mocked for saying ridiculous things like Scoot's too small and that college competition is better than GL competition.

You’re a broken record man.

When people were comparing Scoot to Ja athletically then yes I felt like things were out of hand.

I would do the same if people were saying Miller was same level as KD as a scorer or Grady Dick was as good of a shooter as Curry.

The Scoot content is flatlining tho. Nothing new to really propel him, if anything he will only fall down draft boards over the next few weeks.

what does that have to do with you saying the GL comp is worse than NCAA's or that Scoot's too small? he's bigger than Ja and he's definitely playing stronger comp than what Ja played against at Murray St. if your entire point this whole time was that he's not as good of an athlete as Ja, you could've made it without completely **** on Scoot as a prospect in almost every way.

you're having a hard time staying consistent here, and tbh it's getting harder and harder to take you seriously in this thread after these bad takes + you didn't even know the GL 3pt line is an NBA 3pt line and they take 1 FT per foul in the GL so you can't compare raw FT numbers to the NCAA.

I never said anything about the gl 3 pt line lol and yes I know the rules of the fta in the GLeague lol. You are just making up things.

[JMAC3]

And for the 900 time I never said the GLeague was less talented or worse than college. I said it is easy to put up 18 ppg in the GLeague. Individual players excel in the open game and it’s easy to score. Hence why I went through guys college numbers and GLeague numbers.

You act like I tried to argue that Maryland would beat the average GLeague team. I’m really tired of rehashing the same thing, you legit never bring anything new to table except twist my old words.

James Bouknight had 44 points tonight in the GLeague. Has anyone scored 44 all year in all of college basketball?

[clyde21]

and again, raw ppg unadjusted for pace is completely irrelevant and says nothing about how easy something is. Bouknight at UCONN was averaging 37 pts per 100 possessions.

[JMAC3]

and again, raw ppg unadjusted for pace is completely irrelevant and says nothing about how easy something is. Bouknight at UCONN was averaging 37 pts per 100 possessions.

So how would you like to compare? Since you have issues with every situation I bring up. The best way to compare college to nba #s is per 100 possessions?

Miller averaging 32.1 pts per 100 possessions
Scoot averaging 27.5 pts per 100 possessions.

[clyde21]

and again, raw ppg unadjusted for pace is completely irrelevant and says nothing about how easy something is. Bouknight at UCONN was averaging 37 pts per 100 possessions.

So how would you like to compare? Since you have issues with every situation I bring up. The best way to compare college to nba #s is per 100 possessions?

Miller averaging 32.1 pts per 100 possessions
Scoot averaging 27.5 pts per 100 possessions.

that is a more apt comp but there is still no 1to1 comp - playing against professional athletes > half-time athletes most of which won't even sniff professional, even GL basketball.

if your argument is that today, Miller is a better scorer than Scoot, I don't think anyone would argue with that.