Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1?

[ImHeisenberg]

Just to answer the question posed in the thread title, not only is Wiggins not a lock to go #1, he's basically a lock not to go #1, as Embiid is on a different level than everyone else as a prospect.

Nothing boosts draft stock like a great showing in the tournament. He's not a lock to be #1, but nobody has locked up the #1 spot. That's pretentious and moronic to believe that.

Especially considering we have no idea who will be in the lottery, and what order it will fall. If the Kings, Pistons or 76ers get the top pick, they may very well pass over Embiid for somebody like Wiggins, Parker, Exum, Randle or Smart.

There's a lot of good prospects in this draft. I believe the draft order will be dictated by team needs, to some extent.

[OrlChamps2030]

Just to answer the question posed in the thread title, not only is Wiggins not a lock to go #1, he's basically a lock not to go #1, as Embiid is on a different level than everyone else as a prospect.

Tournament can change everything.

.. Like when Burke tore up the tourney and his draft stock plummeted?

.. Or when Marcus Smart **** the bed and was a lock to go #2??

And didn't Anthony Bennett have an unimpressive showing and get knocked out in the first round ( IIRC ) and ended up going #1??

Embiid is about as close as it gets to being a lock at #1

[EricAnderson]

Wiggins hasn't been that good in college but I do think it's just fooling people at this point. NBA game fits Wiggins much better. Paul George's stats in his freshman year weren't much different.

WHile i agree hs games more suited for the pros dont see the freakish Dominiue Vince Carter like explosion/athletic ability that i saw on his hs higlights where it looked like this guy was a once a decade type talent when it looks like thats clearly not the case now..

Unless hes holding it back a ltitle in fear of injury?

[Nikos Beard]

Wiggins hasn't been that good in college but I do think it's just fooling people at this point. NBA game fits Wiggins much better. Paul George's stats in his freshman year weren't much different.

WHile i agree hs games more suited for the pros dont see the freakish Dominiue Vince Carter like explosion/athletic ability that i saw on his hs higlights where it looked like this guy was a once a decade type talent when it looks like thats clearly not the case now..

Unless hes holding it back a ltitle in fear of injury?

It's (lack of) confidence, not fear of injury. Under an offense that suits him better he'll be more comfortable doing the things we've seen him do in those high school highlight videos.

[Okada]

I agree Embiid is a heavy favorite for #1 but yeah, all it takes to change that is one player having a big tournament and Embiid doesn't.

[crazy_me_87]

bounced back with a nice 17/7 12 Ft attempts game

if Embiid stays another year like hes leaning towards right now..

and Wiggins maybe has a good showing at the Tournament

he could be still back in the 1 spot..

he has still the most raw talent and if Embiid does not declare.. its his spot again to loose

Parker could stay too... wow.. this draft could get depleted at the end

[DoD_Magyar]

bounced back with a nice 17/7 12 Ft attempts game

if Embiid stays another year like hes leaning towards right now..

and Wiggins maybe has a good showing at the Tournament

he could be still back in the 1 spot..

he has still the most raw talent and if Embiid does not declare.. its his spot again to loose

Parker could stay too... wow.. this draft could get depleted at the end

Exum also could stay too. Idk why but he talked with some collages. Without Parker, Embiid and Exum , this draft going to be trash.

By the way, Wiggins played good last night. 12 FT attempt looks good. But he needs FG mades also. I can't remember a game which Wiggins made at least 8-9 FG Made.

[crazy_me_87]

i agree with the "passive" argument

but i think its a little overblown

anthony davis was not seen as a second NBA year 20ppg scorer when he was in college

the system he played in just didnt let him dominate offensivly

i think its the same with Kansas.. Self plays a very balanced offense..

i agree he would benifit from more scoring output stock wise..

but he is shooting a solid 47% .. so the more scoring has to come from more touches and WIggins isnt the kind of kid wich will ask to shoot more... either Coach tells him or he wont hes a Team player

[sikma42]

i agree with the "passive" argument

but i think its a little overblown

anthony davis was not seen as a second NBA year 20ppg scorer when he was in college

the system he played in just didnt let him dominate offensivly

i think its the same with Kansas.. Self plays a very balanced offense..

i agree he would benifit from more scoring output stock wise..

but he is shooting a solid 47% .. so the more scoring has to come from more touches and WIggins isnt the kind of kid wich will ask to shoot more... either Coach tells him or he wont hes a Team player

Davis played on an overwhelming talented team. It wasn't the system, it was just that it was a balanced attack. And he wasn't that skilled in college, I honk he benefitted from playing in Kentucky because teams NEVER came their with the idea to just shut him down.

FYI...people were projecting Davis to be a 20 pig scorer. I also don't think too many people are surprised it happened early either.

Wiggins will be fine too. But it isn't just the system slowing him down, he has a skill deficiency and thinks he deserves superstar calls. Personally, I think he is a bit soft right now. Luckily, he will get more calls in the NBA and will have time to work on his skills.

[Jazzfan12]

Davis ORtg: 139
Wiggins ORtg: 113.6

That's larger than the difference between LeBron James and a random scrub in efficiency.

[boateng]

His stock has fallen no doubt

Before he was a cert to go number 1 whilst at this moment in time he could even fall out the top 3

I think Parker and Embiid will go before him then you have the likes of Exum, Randle and Smart that could be surprises.

[Big_C_KU]

His stock has fallen no doubt

Before he was a cert to go number 1 whilst at this moment in time he could even fall out the top 3

I think Parker and Embiid will go before him then you have the likes of Exum, Randle and Smart that could be surprises.

It seems that Wiggins is sitting strongly at #2 in most mocks. Mostly to do with the fact that if Parker isn't scoring he doesn't have much effect on the game while Wiggins effects games in other areas than just scoring. That's become noticeable since conference play began.

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[Golabki]

His stock has fallen no doubt

Before he was a cert to go number 1 whilst at this moment in time he could even fall out the top 3

I think Parker and Embiid will go before him then you have the likes of Exum, Randle and Smart that could be surprises.

It seems that Wiggins is sitting strongly at #2 in most mocks. Mostly to do with the fact that if Parker isn't scoring he doesn't have much effect on the game while Wiggins effects games in other areas than just scoring. That's become noticeable since conference play began.

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I'm a big believer in drafting the guys that dominate the NCAA at an earlier age.

Physically, Wiggins is a prototype SF for the NBA, so he gets bonus point for that, but his level of play just put him #1 or in the top 3.

[DoD_Magyar]

Wiggins with 19 pts in first half at TCU.

Kid is playing great today.

[Tave]

He looked really good tonight, and TCU's offense did everything it could to beat him up on picks and make him chase shooters. Kid will be a nightmare on both ends when he fills out.

[Hogified05]

Two things that he will need to improve to become the player we all think he can be. His assertiveness, which will improve when an NBA team says it's on you to score, plus he doesn't have to be dominate with this Kansas team. Then his ball handling. He just dribbles it to high, he gets too loose with it to much. Once he tightens that up he will be a superstar.

I think most people were worried about his shot, but he shoots it fine. He is starting to find his stroke and over the last few games he was shooting like 80 some percent from the line. It's also a plus that he is getting to the line alot. That's the sign of a good scorer.

For me Embiid is number one because 7 foot centers with his skill set are so hard to find. But Wiggins is solid number 2 for me right now. Followed by Parker and Randle. This draft more then any in recent memory will rely on the order the teams pick where the players get picked.

[bigboi]

It's simple as this. Wiggins is dominant when teams play man to man, but when he is facing zone he sucks. That's why his stats aren't higher, teams have been playing a lot of zone on Kansas

[sikma42]

It's simple as this. Wiggins is dominant when teams play man to man, but when he is facing zone he sucks. That's why his stats aren't higher, teams have been playing a lot of zone on Kansas

I really think we throw around the word dominant a little too much.

[165bows]

It's simple as this. Wiggins is dominant when teams play man to man, but when he is facing zone he sucks. That's why his stats aren't higher, teams have been playing a lot of zone on Kansas

I really think we throw around the word dominant a little too much.

I think the word dominate gets thrown around too much when people really mean dominant.

[beans-boy]

Ya'll complete trippers!

Once scouts see Exums 1st step in workouts he will climb to number two! It's elite.. ELITE. He will get to the line at will...

A Kobe/Penny hybrid beats out a T-Mac or Truth hybrid everyday of the week..

Dis boy done some nassty things..