Markelle Fultz

Post #441 » by **Marcus** » Thu Mar 2, 2017 5:22 am

He don't like Fultz y'all don't like him. Both sides established. Let's move on now.

tsmith · Post #442 » by **tsmith** » Thu Mar 2, 2017 11:20 am

He is embarrassing only himself

Post #443 » by **Goudelock** » Sun Mar 5, 2017 4:22 am

So as someone who just read the last page and learned nothing about Fultz because some crazy Celtic fan (redundant, I know) dd his best Skip Bayless impression, I have two questions:

1: Is Fultz good enough on defense to guard opposing PG's?

2: Can Fultz play off-ball, or does he need to have the ball at all times to be effective?

I'm wondering because if the Lakers get #1 and pick Fultz, I want to know if him and D'angelo Russell can coexist.

Post #444 » by **Duke4life831** » Sun Mar 5, 2017 4:58 am

PockyCandy wrote:So as someone who just read the last page and learned nothing about Fultz because some crazy Celtic fan (redundant, I know) dd his best Skip Bayless impression, I have two questions:

1: Is Fultz good enough on defense to guard opposing PG's?

2: Can Fultz play off-ball, or does he need to have the ball at all times to be effective?

I'm wondering because if the Lakers get #1 and pick Fultz, I want to know if him and D'angelo Russell can coexist.

They can definitely coexist. I'm not blown away by his facilitating and I don't think he should be a team's primary facilitator but he's still a solid facilitator. But him and Russell together would make a solid facilitating backcourt duo. Fultz is at his best when he's looking to score, he's a talented enough scorer where he can be an affective scorer on or off the ball.

I also haven't been blown away by his defense but he is really long and you would have two guards with about a 6'10 wingspan with him and Russell. I do think he has the potential to be a solid defensive PG.

I personally rim Ball is the better fit though for LA. By far the best facilitator in the draft and if there is a coach in the NBA that knows how to use Ball it's going to be Luke Walton. Plus I think LA is in need of a really good facilitator, the ball seems to really stick a lot with the offense.

Unbreakable99 · Post #445 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sun Mar 5, 2017 6:55 am

PockyCandy wrote:So as someone who just read the last page and learned nothing about Fultz because some crazy Celtic fan (redundant, I know) dd his best Skip Bayless impression, I have two questions:

1: Is Fultz good enough on defense to guard opposing PG's?

2: Can Fultz play off-ball, or does he need to have the ball at all times to be effective?

I'm wondering because if the Lakers get #1 and pick Fultz, I want to know if him and D'angelo Russell can coexist.

He seems to need the ball more. If the Lakers got the top pick they would be crazy to take Fultz over Ball or Jackson. I would choose Ball. He could play point and Russell can play SG. Ball seems like he would be the better fit and the better player. The best of both worlds.

Kolkmania · Post #446 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 4:37 pm

A potential problem for Markelle Fultz in the NBA, similar to Russell Westbrook, is his distinct difference between driving left and right.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/russell-westbrook-cant-stop-going-left/

Russell doesn't know why defenders force him that way, but it's clear that he has a higher tendency to attempt a jumper when he's going left. I don't have the data for this season, but in his recent seasons the FG% discrepancy is quite big. So opponents are fine with Westbrook going left, living with the relatively low efficiency jumper. http://buckets.peterbeshai.com/app/#/playerView/201566_2015?playerSelector=true

I would love to see some Synergy efficiency data of Markelle Fultz when he's going left and right, but from my observance he's not nearly as crafty when he's going left either, settling for tough jumpers instead of driving to the rim.

That said, he's extremely efficient overall during P&R's this season, 3rd best in PPP over the last 10 years or so. Impressive, especially if you consider his limited working space.

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The-Power · Post #447 » by **The-Power** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 4:48 pm

Kolkmania wrote:A potential problem for Markelle Fultz in the NBA, similar to Russell Westbrook, is his distinct difference between driving left and right.

It's not uncommon for young or even established players to prefer to drive to their right if they're right-handed and shoot when they go left. Fultz has plenty of time to work on it and, perhaps more importantly, Fultz' current biggest challenger for the first pick has similar issues and can't shoot going right.

jrob23 · Post #448 » by **jrob23** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 4:54 pm

Kolkmania wrote:A potential problem for Markelle Fultz in the NBA, similar to Russell Westbrook, is his distinct difference between driving left and right.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/russell-westbrook-cant-stop-going-left/

The author implies that defenders "can't stop" him from driving left, but it's clear that he has a higher tendency to attempt a jumper when he's going left. I don't have the data for this season, but in his recent seasons the FG% discrepancy is quite big. So opponents are fine with Westbrook going left, living with the relatively low efficiency jumper. http://buckets.peterbeshai.com/app/#/playerView/201566_2015?playerSelector=true

I would love to see some Synergy efficiency data of Markelle Fultz when he's going left and right, but from my observance he's not nearly as crafty when he's going left either, settling for tough jumpers instead of driving to the rim.

That said, he's extremely efficient overall during P&R's this season, 3rd best in PPP over the last 10 years or so. Impressive, especially if you consider his limited working space.

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as a PnR scorer he's maybe the best I've ever seen in college at the PG position. I attribute a large part of this to his above average athleticism and elite size for a PG. I've watched a dozen games and so many times, he's just barely finishing at the rim or getting his shots off. It's why I question if he'll be able to do so against the taller/better athletes at the next level. I don't see it...not like it's happened in college. Because of that I see him being mostly a jump shooter and I don't believe he has a good enough shot to keep him elite. He'll be Steph without the shot. Still good, maybe great in time..but not a star who is head and shoulders above the other prospects.

jrob23 · Post #449 » by **jrob23** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 4:56 pm

PockyCandy wrote:So as someone who just read the last page and learned nothing about Fultz because some crazy Celtic fan (redundant, I know) dd his best Skip Bayless impression, I have two questions:

1: Is Fultz good enough on defense to guard opposing PG's?

2: Can Fultz play off-ball, or does he need to have the ball at all times to be effective?

I'm wondering because if the Lakers get #1 and pick Fultz, I want to know if him and D'angelo Russell can coexist.

jrob23 · Post #450 » by **jrob23** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 4:57 pm

t_smith979 wrote:He is embarrassing only himself

jrob23 · Post #451 » by **jrob23** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 5:10 pm

Gam wrote:
jrob23 wrote:
oddity wrote:
He's fast, changes speed effortlessly and has fantastic footwork. He knows how to run a pnr. He has a tight handle and creativity in his moves. HOW is he POSSIBLY going to have a hard time driving in the NBA?????

watch and see

If Boston ends up with him and he's any good I'm going to make a mission of posting your past posts in the Celitcs form to make you look like an idiot.

Edit: I looked at some post history and it looks like they have already realized that you're dumb and/or a troll.

the irony.....

I'm not a homer or blind apologist. That doesn't go over very well on our board. and I really care too /s

Murray was my choice but Jaylen got drafted. I'm now his biggest defender and the reason I'm not liked is because I remind the posters on our board that they hated the pick, thought he sucked and voiced that thought in game threads all season. Now that he is producing like I said he would they are on the bandwagon. People don't like to be reminded when they're wrong. Fultz wouldn't be my choice. But he's still an excellent prospect better than anyone on our team currently. Of course I'd support him. Just because I believe he's overrated i.e. not head and shoulders above the other excellent prospects in this draft class, does not mean I wouldn't be ecstatic to have him. But we already have a high usage PG in IT. If we sign him to an extension why draft another?

so FU with the insults. grow up

WalterBenjamin · Post #452 » by **WalterBenjamin** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 5:16 pm

Is this it? Fultz has problems driving left? Says enough about him. By the time he is in his prime he will know how to play in the hallfcourt like no one before him.

Kolkmania · Post #453 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 5:26 pm

The-Power wrote:
Kolkmania wrote:A potential problem for Markelle Fultz in the NBA, similar to Russell Westbrook, is his distinct difference between driving left and right.

It's not uncommon for young or even established players to prefer to drive to their right if they're right-handed and shoot when they go left. Fultz has plenty of time to work on it and, perhaps more importantly, Fultz' current biggest challenger for the first pick has similar issues and can't shoot going right.

Absolutely, but note worthy. It's so hard to find a thing he can't do offensively, that I've come to the point I'm this nitpicky.

Post #454 » by **Marcus** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 5:34 pm

yeah kid is going to be a professional basketball player. He will learn to go to his off hand if he's not doing it now. There should be no excuse for it. If Exum has figured it out no reason to believe Fultz won't. That's pretty minor considering everything he brings to the table.

Upperclass · Post #455 » by **Upperclass** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 5:37 pm

Kyrie literally only goes right.. he's been fine. Derozan is the same way. There are a shocking amount of NBA guards who cant drive with their off-hand

Post #456 » by **Marcus** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 5:38 pm

jrob23 wrote:
Gam wrote:
jrob23 wrote:
watch and see

If Boston ends up with him and he's any good I'm going to make a mission of posting your past posts in the Celitcs form to make you look like an idiot.

Edit: I looked at some post history and it looks like they have already realized that you're dumb and/or a troll.

the irony.....

I'm not a homer or blind apologist. That doesn't go over very well on our board. and I really care too /s

Murray was my choice but Jaylen got drafted. I'm now his biggest defender and the reason I'm not liked is because I remind the posters on our board that they hated the pick, thought he sucked and voiced that thought in game threads all season. Now that he is producing like I said he would they are on the bandwagon. People don't like to be reminded when they're wrong. Fultz wouldn't be my choice. But he's still an excellent prospect better than anyone on our team currently. Of course I'd support him. Just because I believe he's overrated i.e. not head and shoulders above the other excellent prospects in this draft class, does not mean I wouldn't be ecstatic to have him. But we already have a high usage PG in IT. If we sign him to an extension why draft another?

so FU with the insults. grow up

Ok. Now that everybody got that out of their system lets bring the conversation back to civility. If you guys want to make anymore exchanges like that take it to the PMs.

Build4Banner18 · Post #457 » by **Build4Banner18** » Mon Mar 6, 2017 10:38 pm

As a Celtics fan, I am excited about the chance to pick maybe whoever we want. But our team is really deep with guards. So I was thinking about Markelle Fultz and whether another team would trade up for him if Boston won the lottery. Then I see that the Kings might have two top 10 picks. Might be a match.

So if you are Vlade would you do it?
If you are Boston do you? And who would you take?

If I'm Vlade I wouldn't. If I'm Ainge I would. Frank Kilitina is supposed to be good but raw. And if you could get him and also a big man like Markannen or Adebayo that would be too tempting to pass up for me. Then again, if Fultz or even Lonzo Ball are really that good you'd regret it.

Post #458 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Mar 7, 2017 12:49 am

Build4Banner18 wrote:As a Celtics fan, I am excited about the chance to pick maybe whoever we want. But our team is really deep with guards. So I was thinking about Markelle Fultz and whether another team would trade up for him if Boston won the lottery. Then I see that the Kings might have two top 10 picks. Might be a match.

So if you are Vlade would you do it?
If you are Boston do you? And who would you take?

If I'm Vlade I wouldn't. If I'm Ainge I would. Frank Kilitina is supposed to be good but raw. And if you could get him and also a big man like Markannen or Adebayo that would be too tempting to pass up for me. Then again, if Fultz or even Lonzo Ball are really that good you'd regret it.

Unless you're getting a top 4 (5 depending on your views on Tatum) pick in return, I wouldn't do the trade. There is a drop off in potential after those 4-5 guys. Boston either trades the pick for an established star or if they trade down it won't be beyond 4-5.

The-Power · Post #459 » by **The-Power** » Tue Mar 7, 2017 1:20 am

Duke4life831 wrote:There is a drop off in potential after those 4-5 guys. Boston either trades the pick for an established star or if they trade down it won't be beyond 4-5.

Who's the fourth guy? DSJ? If so I disagree. Right now I see a top 3 and nobody else really separated himself for the fourth or fifth spot. Of course you can disagree but it's not like there's a consensus as you imply.

Post #460 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Mar 7, 2017 2:43 am

The-Power wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:There is a drop off in potential after those 4-5 guys. Boston either trades the pick for an established star or if they trade down it won't be beyond 4-5.

Who's the fourth guy? DSJ? If so I disagree. Right now I see a top 3 and nobody else really separated himself for the fourth or fifth spot. Of course you can disagree but it's not like there's a consensus as you imply.

Ya DSJ is my fourth guy. I still think his game is built exactly for today's NBA. Great athlete, great running the PnR and can shoot.