Trae Young

[No-Man]

48TS% is terrible, i got worried there for a second

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It's for one game, the last one, it isn't good but terrible is a stretch, I mean 50% is sort of average

[Ruzious]

48TS% is terrible, i got worried there for a second

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It's for one game, the last one, it isn't good but terrible is a stretch, I mean 50% is sort of average

Rest easy, I doubt anyone here cares about anyone's TS% for 1 game in the middle of the season.

[UcanUwill]

48TS% is terrible, i got worried there for a second

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It's for one game, the last one, it isn't good but terrible is a stretch, I mean 50% is sort of average

I dont even know what is average TS%, I would guess 56% is average, but 50% is really bad in my book. But as stated, nobody cares for single game TS%. For an off game, could have been much worse.

[No-Man]

48TS% is terrible, i got worried there for a second

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It's for one game, the last one, it isn't good but terrible is a stretch, I mean 50% is sort of average

I dont even know what is average TS%, I would guess 56% is average, but 50% is really bad in my book. But as stated, nobody cares for single game TS%. For an off game, could have been much worse.

eeeh 56TS% is above avg, like LeBron has a career 58.6TS%

[Duke4life831]

I know some posters are gonna be coming here to write about the efficiency, please, bother watching the game before you do so, and btw; 48.5TS% which isn't good obviously, but isnt a total disaster either

What if we watch the games and still just not a fan of his shot selection at all and have major question marks with his ability to finish around length? Last night's game I didn't have much issue with his shot selection, I thought the few deep 3s he took came much more natural with the offense, but he really struggled to finish around any length whenever he was contested. Right now on the season he's shooting 50% at the rim, I'm sure that number is in the low 40s so far in conference play.

[doordoor123]

I know some posters are gonna be coming here to write about the efficiency, please, bother watching the game before you do so, and btw; 48.5TS% which isn't good obviously, but isnt a total disaster either

What if we watch the games and still just not a fan of his shot selection at all and have major question marks with his ability to finish around length? Last night's game I didn't have much issue with his shot selection, I thought the few deep 3s he took came much more natural with the offense, but he really struggled to finish around any length whenever he was contested. Right now on the season he's shooting 50% at the rim, I'm sure that number is in the low 40s so far in conference play.

Well they fouled him a lot.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I like seeing players when they have poorer games which is why Young actually went up in my rankings after last game.

He was terrible for stretches and across several areas (finishing at rim, ball handling, shot selection, shooting, running offense, defense at times) yet still managed to get 11 FTAs, shoot 40% from 3 at volume, 9 assists in low scoring game, 4 steals when cold on offense.

My main question mark over Young, Sexton, Jackson is that they have incredible FTA / 2FGA rates that may not translate to NBA which would mean their efficiency takes a significant hit.

[nolang1]

My main question mark over Young, Sexton, Jackson is that they have incredible FTA / 2FGA rates that may not translate to NBA which would mean their efficiency takes a significant hit.

This and Young is already in the optimal role/system for his skillset, in contrast to Bagley and Ayton typically playing alongside another traditional big and having little spacing help. I agree that Young’s ability to salvage his bad shooting nights by getting to the line or contributing in other areas gives me more confidence he has very low probability of being a bust.

[doordoor123]

I like seeing players when they have poorer games which is why Young actually went up in my rankings after last game.

He was terrible for stretches and across several areas (finishing at rim, ball handling, shot selection, shooting, running offense, defense at times) yet still managed to get 11 FTAs, shoot 40% from 3 at volume, 9 assists in low scoring game, 4 steals when cold on offense.

My main question mark over Young, Sexton, Jackson is that they have incredible FTA / 2FGA rates that may not translate to NBA which would mean their efficiency takes a significant hit.

I’m sure Young will draw fouls in the NBA. Like 100%. Sexton I’m not so sure. He doesn’t really have great awareness when he tries to sell it and sometimes he sells it too much so the refs don’t call it. But he’s good at finishing through contact. I think both will continue to play well with their 2pt FG rates. Young is really good at adjusting to defenders and Sexton has quick twitch reactions that will help him react to that stuff. It may take Sexton more time to adjust because he needs those buckets since he’s not really a three point shooter.

[Kolkmania]

I like seeing players when they have poorer games which is why Young actually went up in my rankings after last game.

He was terrible for stretches and across several areas (finishing at rim, ball handling, shot selection, shooting, running offense, defense at times) yet still managed to get 11 FTAs, shoot 40% from 3 at volume, 9 assists in low scoring game, 4 steals when cold on offense.

My main question mark over Young, Sexton, Jackson is that they have incredible FTA / 2FGA rates that may not translate to NBA which would mean their efficiency takes a significant hit.

I’m sure Young will draw fouls in the NBA. Like 100%. Sexton I’m not so sure. He doesn’t really have great awareness when he tries to sell it and sometimes he sells it too much so the refs don’t call it. But he’s good at finishing through contact. I think both will continue to play well with their 2pt FG rates. Young is really good at adjusting to defenders and Sexton has quick twitch reactions that will help him react to that stuff. It may take Sexton more time to adjust because he needs those buckets since he’s not really a three point shooter.

Are there examples of players who had a FTr > .6 in college and couldn't draw fouls in the NBA?

[Mulhollanddrive]

Elfrid Payton and Kay Felder are at about 1/4 the FTA rate compared to college.

[Kolkmania]

Elfrid Payton and Kay Felder are at about 1/4 the FTA rate compared to college.

Think both can be explained. Elfrid Payton lacks a jumpshot to open up the rest of his game and his FTr in college might be inflated because of the weak conference. Kay Felder is undersized in the NBA and honestly haven't got much of a chance to be honest, occasional garbage time.

We'll see whether Young and Sexton can maintain this FTr against better competition, but don't think they have the same problems as Payton and Felder.

[doordoor123]

Elfrid Payton and Kay Felder are at about 1/4 the FTA rate compared to college.

Think both can be explained. Elfrid Payton lacks a jumpshot to open up the rest of his game and his FTr in college might be inflated because of the weak conference. Kay Felder is undersized in the NBA and honestly haven't got much of a chance to be honest, occasional garbage time.

We'll see whether Young and Sexton can maintain this FTr against better competition, but don't think they have the same problems as Payton and Felder.

I’m really disappointed Felder couldn’t do anything in the NBA. No confidence whatsoever in the NBA and he just never developed his game. It probably hurt that he was drafted by the Cavaliers. Maybe he can turn it around after years in the G-League. But no one let Felder be the man and I think he needed to be that guy, which is why he didn’t draw fouls. He also just stopped taking it to the rim. Someone probably told him to study IT because of his height, but he’s a different player than IT.

[Duke4life831]

I like seeing players when they have poorer games which is why Young actually went up in my rankings after last game.

He was terrible for stretches and across several areas (finishing at rim, ball handling, shot selection, shooting, running offense, defense at times) yet still managed to get 11 FTAs, shoot 40% from 3 at volume, 9 assists in low scoring game, 4 steals when cold on offense.

My main question mark over Young, Sexton, Jackson is that they have incredible FTA / 2FGA rates that may not translate to NBA which would mean their efficiency takes a significant hit.

I’m sure Young will draw fouls in the NBA. Like 100%. Sexton I’m not so sure. He doesn’t really have great awareness when he tries to sell it and sometimes he sells it too much so the refs don’t call it. But he’s good at finishing through contact. I think both will continue to play well with their 2pt FG rates. Young is really good at adjusting to defenders and Sexton has quick twitch reactions that will help him react to that stuff. It may take Sexton more time to adjust because he needs those buckets since he’s not really a three point shooter.

Are there examples of players who had a FTr > .6 in college and couldn't draw fouls in the NBA?

Small sample size (a couple games less than Young) but Kyrie had a .68 FTr in college and has been in the low .2s for most his career.

[Mulhollanddrive]

This doesn't paint a pretty picture and is why it's so important for Trae Young to translate his high FTA rate in NBA, specifically drawing shooting fouls on drives:

FG% at the rim (most recent full NBA season):
Steph Curry 63%
Isaiah Thomas 58%
Nik Stauskas 53%
Jimmer Fredette 52%
Trey Burke 51%
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Trae Young 50% (in college)

[doordoor123]

This doesn't paint a pretty picture and is why it's so important for Trae Young to translate his high FTA rate in NBA, specifically drawing shooting fouls on drives:

FG% at the rim (most recent full NBA season):
Steph Curry 63%
Isaiah Thomas 58%
Nik Stauskas 53%
Jimmer Fredette 52%
Trey Burke 51%
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Trae Young 50% (in college)

You’re looking too much at numbers and not the way these players play. There are reasons why some of these guys took a dip and there are reasons why guys have their drives go up.

[Mulhollanddrive]

43% at the rim in halfcourt is an outlier the other way for Young.

[The-Power]

This and Young is already in the optimal role/system for his skillset, in contrast to Bagley and Ayton typically playing alongside another traditional big and having little spacing help. I agree that Young’s ability to salvage his bad shooting nights by getting to the line or contributing in other areas gives me more confidence he has very low probability of being a bust.

Ayton actually wants to play next to another big man, so that's something to consider. Also, Ristic is a pretty big guy himself, and teams are simply overchallenged when they have to guard to massive bigs like the Arizona guys. So there are definitely advantages to his current situation, and the spacing around him isn't that bad for college basketball.

Bagley's situation is actually as close to perfect as it gets. First off, he plays next to another big because Bagley is a PF – so that's only natural. And it certainly helps him on defense where Carter can take the heavyweight-assignments. But that's not even the main reason. You say Bagley has no spacing? Seriously? Allen and Trent are shooters and especially Allen has shown to be elite at that, and even Carter often plays outside and provides at least some sort of spacing. Bagley has plenty of space to work with, much more than most bigs in college. And, let's not forget that, Bagley is the go-to option and the center of Duke's offense despite other good offensive talent around him. Duke did an incredible job to build around Bagley, and I'm not sure any other prospect is in a similarly good situation.

As for Young, it's not the optimal system for him although it's certainly close. I love what they did – surround him with shooters and finishers and let him give all the freedom he could possibly hope for. But, as seen in conference play, a secondary playmaker – especially a Forward – would help to relief some pressure. Not to mention that a little more off-ball duties for Young would help him long-term as this might be the area in which he can improve the most in terms of increasing his impact on the game. He should really watch Curry closely and learn how to use his gravity off the ball by moving all the time, with purpose, setting screens and moving to spaces where he can immediately create havoc after he got the ball. This part of his game is still very much underdeveloped and has so much untapped potential that it would increase his offensive floor and ceiling tremendously.

[nolang1]

This and Young is already in the optimal role/system for his skillset, in contrast to Bagley and Ayton typically playing alongside another traditional big and having little spacing help. I agree that Young’s ability to salvage his bad shooting nights by getting to the line or contributing in other areas gives me more confidence he has very low probability of being a bust.

Ayton actually wants to play next to another big man, so that's something to consider. Also, Ristic is a pretty big guy himself, and teams are simply overchallenged when they have to guard to massive bigs like the Arizona guys. So there are definitely advantages to his current situation, and the spacing around him isn't that bad for college basketball.

Bagley's situation is actually as close to perfect as it gets. First off, he plays next to another big because Bagley is a PF – so that's only natural. And it certainly helps him on defense where Carter can take the heavyweight-assignments. But that's not even the main reason. You say Bagley has no spacing? Seriously? Allen and Trent are shooters and especially Allen has shown to be elite at that, and even Carter often plays outside and provides at least some sort of spacing. Bagley has plenty of space to work with, much more than most bigs in college. And, let's not forget that, Bagley is the go-to option and the center of Duke's offense despite other good offensive talent around him. Duke did an incredible job to build around Bagley, and I'm not sure any other prospect is in a similarly good situation.

As for Young, it's not the optimal system for him although it's certainly close. I love what they did – surround him with shooters and finishers and let him give all the freedom he could possibly hope for. But, as seen in conference play, a secondary playmaker – especially a Forward – would help to relief some pressure. Not to mention that a little more off-ball duties for Young would help him long-term as this might be the area in which he can improve the most in terms of increasing his impact on the game. He should really watch Curry closely and learn how to use his gravity off the ball by moving all the time, with purpose, setting screens and moving to spaces where he can immediately create havoc after he got the ball. This part of his game is still very much underdeveloped and has so much untapped potential that it would increase his offensive floor and ceiling tremendously.

Lol it's at the point where seeing you have the opposite opinion as someone gives me more confidence that their thinking is sound and they actually watch the games. It's a matter of fact, not opinion, that bigs in college have less space in which to operate due the "shooters" (psst, Grayson Allen is shooting 22% on threes in ACC play, so good luck relying on him or some other freshman as a go-to player) around them having less range and spotting up around a shorter arc.

[916fan]

It's for one game, the last one, it isn't good but terrible is a stretch, I mean 50% is sort of average

I dont even know what is average TS%, I would guess 56% is average, but 50% is really bad in my book. But as stated, nobody cares for single game TS%. For an off game, could have been much worse.

eeeh 56TS% is above avg, like LeBron has a career 58.6TS%

The game has changed a lot from 5-6 years ago though. 48TS% is bad no matter how you try to put it. It should be higher given the amount of 3s he took, but oh well. It was a bad stretch for him. Not sure why it would be a controversial topic?