Luka Doncic Part III

[clyde21]

What holes? Donic is being hyped similarly to how Ricky "What is the playoffs" Rubio, who is a decent player, but nowhere near the hype that came with it. Never has been nor will he ever be an all star, that's Doncic, mark my words. I don't see how Exum can't be labeled as anything other than a unequivocally certified bust at this point

Rubio was 6/2/2 guy, with 22% for 3. I feel sorry for you, If you believed he will be superstar in Nba. Rubio in Nba is 10x better player than Rubio in Europe.

But I have to agree with others, what’s enough is enough. Ignorant people with always be ignorant.

Rubio as an 17-19 year old yeah, Rubio today would dominate Euroleague while being pedestrian in the NBA. it's funny how you keep talking age of Doncic's current competition vs NCAA kids, yet fail to include this in your logic.

Are you **** trolling? Rubio today would obliterate both Euroleague AND the NCAA. What's your point?

[clyde21]

I disagree, the hype around Rubio was absurd, it's in line with the hype we keep hearing about Doncic now. They guy was compared to Jason Kidd, he can't take Kidd's under garments to the dry cleaners.

Exum's inability to stay healthy should be counted against him, he's a grown man athlete, his injuries are not just some sheer bad luck, he also has to be accountable for his conditioning and ability to stay on the floor. he's flat out sucked in his limited time playing. Shroeder is fine for where he was picked, I can agree with that, but he is by no means a top PG. And the verdict will be out on Frank, I think he has much more bust potential than star potential, especially considering players drafted after him.

While the Orl argument carries some weight, Harris was palying really well in Mil prior to going to orl and Dipo didn't do much in his 1 year in OKC, so those examples are not exactly painting the correct picture IMHO.

Your test cases have huge holes in them, and almost none of them apply to Luka Doncic.

What holes? Donic is being hyped similarly to how Ricky "What is the playoffs" Rubio, who is a decent player, but nowhere near the hype that came with it. Never has been nor will he ever be an all star, that's Doncic, mark my words. I don't see how Exum can't be labeled as anything other than a unequivocally certified bust at this point

Because it's a marginal sample size with test cases that we can't draw a single conclusion from. Ricky Rubio and Frank Ntilikina are what most people thought they were accurately projected for the most part. Dennis Schroeder actually has played better than most thought and Dante Exum has been marred by extensive injuries that we just can't tell.

This is the sample size you're using to try and prove Doncic playing abroad is an issue? Go reevaluate your position before responding to me, because it's obvious you're reaching and don't have much to offer here.

[daoneandonly]

Rubio was 6/2/2 guy, with 22% for 3. I feel sorry for you, If you believed he will be superstar in Nba. Rubio in Nba is 10x better player than Rubio in Europe.

But I have to agree with others, what’s enough is enough. Ignorant people with always be ignorant.

Rubio as an 17-19 year old yeah, Rubio today would dominate Euroleague while being pedestrian in the NBA. it's funny how you keep talking age of Doncic's current competition vs NCAA kids, yet fail to include this in your logic.

Are you **** trolling? Rubio today would obliterate both Euroleague AND the NCAA. What's your point?

Are you reading what people actually wrote or just huffing and puffing? I said Rubio today would dominate Euroleague did I not? But he has never nor will he ever dominate the NBA, that's my point. My point is Euroleague is 8 levels below the NBA, so Doncic's success there means jack

[clyde21]

Rubio as an 17-19 year old yeah, Rubio today would dominate Euroleague while being pedestrian in the NBA. it's funny how you keep talking age of Doncic's current competition vs NCAA kids, yet fail to include this in your logic.

Are you **** trolling? Rubio today would obliterate both Euroleague AND the NCAA. What's your point?

Are you reading what people actually wrote or just huffing and puffing? I said Rubio today would dominate Euroleague did I not? But he has never nor will he ever dominate the NBA, that's my point. My point is Euroleague is 8 levels below the NBA, so Doncic's success there means jack

I know what you said. I responded by saying he'd also dominate the NCAA. I'm wondering what your point is. Why does it matter if he would dominate the Euroleague when he'd also dominate the NCAA? Why aren't you casting the same aspersions on NCAA prospects that are you on Doncic?

[daoneandonly]

Are you **** trolling? Rubio today would obliterate both Euroleague AND the NCAA. What's your point?

Are you reading what people actually wrote or just huffing and puffing? I said Rubio today would dominate Euroleague did I not? But he has never nor will he ever dominate the NBA, that's my point. My point is Euroleague is 8 levels below the NBA, so Doncic's success there means jack

I know what you said. I responded by saying he'd also dominate the NCAA. I'm wondering what your point is. Why does it matter if he would dominate the Euroleague when he'd also dominate the NCAA? Why aren't you casting the same aspersions on NCAA prospects that are you on Doncic?

Because the Doncic hype team keep saying how Rubio's stats in Euroleague were similar or worse than his NOW NBA stats. If he was in Euroleague now, he'd put up much higher numbers because he's playing against inferior opponents, yet his NBA numbers are still pedestrian and as of 3/20/2018, the 5th pick in the 2009 NBA draft playing what many would call the most vital position on a team has yet to make the postseason. Doncic's stats are inflated because he's playing against guys who can't make the NBA or weren't good enough to stay in the NBA. I guess the level/talent of competition does not matter around this here parts.

[daoneandonly]

Your test cases have huge holes in them, and almost none of them apply to Luka Doncic.

What holes? Donic is being hyped similarly to how Ricky "What is the playoffs" Rubio, who is a decent player, but nowhere near the hype that came with it. Never has been nor will he ever be an all star, that's Doncic, mark my words. I don't see how Exum can't be labeled as anything other than a unequivocally certified bust at this point

Because it's a marginal sample size with test cases that we can't draw a single conclusion from. Ricky Rubio and Frank Ntilikina are what most people thought they were accurately projected for the most part. Dennis Schroeder actually has played better than most thought and Dante Exum has been marred by extensive injuries that we just can't tell.

This is the sample size you're using to try and prove Doncic playing abroad is an issue? Go reevaluate your position before responding to me, because it's obvious you're reaching and don't have much to offer here.

Greg Oden was written off as a bust after a few seasons of injuries, why is Exum different? The guy can't stay on the court, that has as much to do with his conditioning and his heart as it does bad luck

[clyde21]

Are you reading what people actually wrote or just huffing and puffing? I said Rubio today would dominate Euroleague did I not? But he has never nor will he ever dominate the NBA, that's my point. My point is Euroleague is 8 levels below the NBA, so Doncic's success there means jack

I know what you said. I responded by saying he'd also dominate the NCAA. I'm wondering what your point is. Why does it matter if he would dominate the Euroleague when he'd also dominate the NCAA? Why aren't you casting the same aspersions on NCAA prospects that are you on Doncic?

Because the Doncic hype team keep saying how Rubio's stats in Euroleague were similar or worse than his NOW NBA stats. If he was in Euroleague now, he'd put up much higher numbers because he's playing against inferior opponents, yet his NBA numbers are still pedestrian and as of 3/20/2018, the 5th pick in the 2009 NBA draft playing what many would call the most vital position on a team has yet to make the postseason. Doncic's stats are inflated because he's playing against guys who can't make the NBA or weren't good enough to stay in the NBA. I guess the level/talent of competition does not matter around this here parts.

You're not making any **** sense. You're de-extrapolating Rubio's numbers and applying them to Doncic. Why? They have absolutely nothing in common other than they're both European.

Furthermore, Rubio dominating the Euroleague today doesn't mean anything. He'd dominate the NCAA, too. Maybe we should start talking about Bagley, Ayton, Bamba and Bridges not being able to translate, either.

[BoardCrusher]

Are you reading what people actually wrote or just huffing and puffing? I said Rubio today would dominate Euroleague did I not? But he has never nor will he ever dominate the NBA, that's my point. My point is Euroleague is 8 levels below the NBA, so Doncic's success there means jack

I know what you said. I responded by saying he'd also dominate the NCAA. I'm wondering what your point is. Why does it matter if he would dominate the Euroleague when he'd also dominate the NCAA? Why aren't you casting the same aspersions on NCAA prospects that are you on Doncic?

Because the Doncic hype team keep saying how Rubio's stats in Euroleague were similar or worse than his NOW NBA stats. If he was in Euroleague now, he'd put up much higher numbers because he's playing against inferior opponents, yet his NBA numbers are still pedestrian and as of 3/20/2018, the 5th pick in the 2009 NBA draft playing what many would call the most vital position on a team has yet to make the postseason. Doncic's stats are inflated because he's playing against guys who can't make the NBA or weren't good enough to stay in the NBA. I guess the level/talent of competition does not matter around this here parts.

enough of your BS, blocked!

[daoneandonly]

I know what you said. I responded by saying he'd also dominate the NCAA. I'm wondering what your point is. Why does it matter if he would dominate the Euroleague when he'd also dominate the NCAA? Why aren't you casting the same aspersions on NCAA prospects that are you on Doncic?

Because the Doncic hype team keep saying how Rubio's stats in Euroleague were similar or worse than his NOW NBA stats. If he was in Euroleague now, he'd put up much higher numbers because he's playing against inferior opponents, yet his NBA numbers are still pedestrian and as of 3/20/2018, the 5th pick in the 2009 NBA draft playing what many would call the most vital position on a team has yet to make the postseason. Doncic's stats are inflated because he's playing against guys who can't make the NBA or weren't good enough to stay in the NBA. I guess the level/talent of competition does not matter around this here parts.

You're not making any **** sense. You're de-extrapolating Rubio's numbers and applying them to Doncic. Why? They have absolutely nothing in common other than they're both European.

Furthermore, Rubio dominating the Euroleague today doesn't mean anything. He'd dominate the NCAA, too. Maybe we should start talking about Bagley, Ayton, Bamba and Bridges not being able to translate, either.

let's do that, and people will acknowledge all those guys shortcomings whether they are a fan or not. Ayton/Bamba's motor, Bagley's defense and positional fit, Bamba's offense, we know that. But people mention Luka's speed, shot, or defense and we're stupid racist and ignorant because he's the greatest Euro prospect in the history of civilization.

[clyde21]

Because the Doncic hype team keep saying how Rubio's stats in Euroleague were similar or worse than his NOW NBA stats. If he was in Euroleague now, he'd put up much higher numbers because he's playing against inferior opponents, yet his NBA numbers are still pedestrian and as of 3/20/2018, the 5th pick in the 2009 NBA draft playing what many would call the most vital position on a team has yet to make the postseason. Doncic's stats are inflated because he's playing against guys who can't make the NBA or weren't good enough to stay in the NBA. I guess the level/talent of competition does not matter around this here parts.

You're not making any **** sense. You're de-extrapolating Rubio's numbers and applying them to Doncic. Why? They have absolutely nothing in common other than they're both European.

Furthermore, Rubio dominating the Euroleague today doesn't mean anything. He'd dominate the NCAA, too. Maybe we should start talking about Bagley, Ayton, Bamba and Bridges not being able to translate, either.

let's do that, and people will acknowledge all those guys shortcomings whether they are a fan or not. Ayton/Bamba's motor, Bagley's defense and positional fit, Bamba's offense, we know that. But people mention Luka's speed, shot, or defense and we're stupid racist and ignorant because he's the greatest Euro prospect in the history of civilization.

oh, so you're just here acknowledging Doncic's shortcomings, huh? That's all you're doing.

[daoneandonly]

You're not making any **** sense. You're de-extrapolating Rubio's numbers and applying them to Doncic. Why? They have absolutely nothing in common other than they're both European.

Furthermore, Rubio dominating the Euroleague today doesn't mean anything. He'd dominate the NCAA, too. Maybe we should start talking about Bagley, Ayton, Bamba and Bridges not being able to translate, either.

let's do that, and people will acknowledge all those guys shortcomings whether they are a fan or not. Ayton/Bamba's motor, Bagley's defense and positional fit, Bamba's offense, we know that. But people mention Luka's speed, shot, or defense and we're stupid racist and ignorant because he's the greatest Euro prospect in the history of civilization.

oh, so you're just here acknowledging Doncic's shortcomings, huh? That's all you're doing.

Yea because people got tired of me talking about proven historical evidence that I kept doing for 150 pages as some posters have suggested. So tell em clyde, one, just one f'n Euro/Eastern hemisphere guard that has become a superstar in the NBA? A guy that is worthy of being taken #1 or #2 in the draft. No let's ignore history because everyone in the world is different and we can't base one player playing in euroleague to another player in euroleague

[clyde21]

let's do that, and people will acknowledge all those guys shortcomings whether they are a fan or not. Ayton/Bamba's motor, Bagley's defense and positional fit, Bamba's offense, we know that. But people mention Luka's speed, shot, or defense and we're stupid racist and ignorant because he's the greatest Euro prospect in the history of civilization.

oh, so you're just here acknowledging Doncic's shortcomings, huh? That's all you're doing.

Yea because people got tired of me talking about proven historical evidence that I kept doing for 150 pages as some posters have suggested. So tell em clyde, one, just one f'n Euro/Eastern hemisphere guard that has become a superstar in the NBA? A guy that is worthy of being taken #1 or #2 in the draft. No let's ignore history because everyone in the world is different and we can't base one player playing in euroleague to another player in euroleague

Proven historical evidence? You mean citing Dante Exum and Dennis Schroeder counts as 'proven historical evidence'? And you're wondering why no one is taking you seriously?

[daoneandonly]

oh, so you're just here acknowledging Doncic's shortcomings, huh? That's all you're doing.

Yea because people got tired of me talking about proven historical evidence that I kept doing for 150 pages as some posters have suggested. So tell em clyde, one, just one f'n Euro/Eastern hemisphere guard that has become a superstar in the NBA? A guy that is worthy of being taken #1 or #2 in the draft. No let's ignore history because everyone in the world is different and we can't base one player playing in euroleague to another player in euroleague

Proven historical evidence? You mean citing Dante Exum and Dennis Schroeder counts as 'proven historical evidence'? And you're wondering why no one is taking you seriously?

Yeah keep deflecting, name me one clyde, one.

[clyde21]

Yea because people got tired of me talking about proven historical evidence that I kept doing for 150 pages as some posters have suggested. So tell em clyde, one, just one f'n Euro/Eastern hemisphere guard that has become a superstar in the NBA? A guy that is worthy of being taken #1 or #2 in the draft. No let's ignore history because everyone in the world is different and we can't base one player playing in euroleague to another player in euroleague

Proven historical evidence? You mean citing Dante Exum and Dennis Schroeder counts as 'proven historical evidence'? And you're wondering why no one is taking you seriously?

Yeah keep deflecting, name me one clyde, one.

How many European guards have been great prospects? What's the sample size we're even looking at?

Is this the control group you're basing your argument on?

Ricky Rubio
Dennis Schroeder
Dante Exum
Frank Ntilikina

[Bob8]

Yea because people got tired of me talking about proven historical evidence that I kept doing for 150 pages as some posters have suggested. So tell em clyde, one, just one f'n Euro/Eastern hemisphere guard that has become a superstar in the NBA? A guy that is worthy of being taken #1 or #2 in the draft. No let's ignore history because everyone in the world is different and we can't base one player playing in euroleague to another player in euroleague

Proven historical evidence? You mean citing Dante Exum and Dennis Schroeder counts as 'proven historical evidence'? And you're wondering why no one is taking you seriously?

Yeah keep deflecting, name me one clyde, one.

Simmons aka. Doncic without a shot

[daoneandonly]

Proven historical evidence? You mean citing Dante Exum and Dennis Schroeder counts as 'proven historical evidence'? And you're wondering why no one is taking you seriously?

Yeah keep deflecting, name me one clyde, one.

How many European guards have been great prospects? What's the same size we're even looking at?

Maybe I view scouting and Gm's differently, but if a guy is taken top 5, which Rubio, Exum, and Hezonja were, I would like to think they were a highly touted prospect. I mean I don;'t recall seeing anyone blasting them for those picks as being a crazy reach like when Anthony Bennett was drafted #1

[daoneandonly]

Proven historical evidence? You mean citing Dante Exum and Dennis Schroeder counts as 'proven historical evidence'? And you're wondering why no one is taking you seriously?

Yeah keep deflecting, name me one clyde, one.

Simmons aka. Doncic without a shot

Simmons aka played HS and College ball here.

[clyde21]

Yeah keep deflecting, name me one clyde, one.

How many European guards have been great prospects? What's the same size we're even looking at?

Maybe I view scouting and Gm's differently, but if a guy is taken top 5, which Rubio, Exum, and Hezonja were, I would like to think they were a highly touted prospect. I mean I don;'t recall seeing anyone blasting them for those picks as being a crazy reach like when Anthony Bennett was drafted #1

So...three?

So, just because those three have disappointed (even though Exum has been marred by injuries, and Rubio is exactly what people thought he'd be)...that somehow confirms your conclusion and counts as "proven historical data"?

my god and allah

[clyde21]

Yeah keep deflecting, name me one clyde, one.

Simmons aka. Doncic without a shot

Simmons aka played HS and College ball here.

So if he didn't play college ball at LSU and instead in Australia he'd be a different player today?

[daoneandonly]

How many European guards have been great prospects? What's the same size we're even looking at?

Maybe I view scouting and Gm's differently, but if a guy is taken top 5, which Rubio, Exum, and Hezonja were, I would like to think they were a highly touted prospect. I mean I don;'t recall seeing anyone blasting them for those picks as being a crazy reach like when Anthony Bennett was drafted #1

So...three?

So, just because those three have disappointed (even though Exum has been marred by injuries, and Rubio is exactly what people thought he'd be)...that somehow confirms your conclusion and counts as "proven historical data"?

my god and allah

yet you still can't name a single guard form over the Atlantic or other side of Pacific that has ever become a superstar, just say No one instead of trying to be a smart allic and using God's name in vain. Like I said, I'm not going to believe we are seeing the first ever, history maker until he proves it in the NBA when he gets here. I don't see why that's a horrible, misguided vantage point, its the most sensible.